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HoboWithAShotgun posted:It's worth remembering that Deus Ex was still in the X-Files era, where you could still get grainy, out-of-focus pictures & video of so called UFOs. I distinctly remember a popular morning breakfast show that had a story about an 'alien autopsy' video, only a few years before Deus Ex being released. All that kind of stuff was super popular and the game reflected a lot of it. Yeah the modern DX games are more about technology and augmentation and kinda leave the conspiracy theories behind? There's still like an evil organization but its different. You'd think they'd lean into the internet and creepypastas or something. I get why they made a prequel but I think it being a prequel kinda hamstrings DX HR & MD.
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feelix posted:I'm playing MD too and I think it's my favorite Deus Ex game since the first one. HR was more polished and finished, but I really like how MD has a lot of bonus story/atmosphere/flavor. Like equivalents of Jock's apartment. In HR, all of that stuff was explicitly telegraphed and explicitly acknowledged when you found it, which cheapened it. I think someone else mentioned it up river, but despite MK's unfinished story, it probably is the closest game to Warren Spector's "one city block" concept. It's a great game and I quite enjoyed my time with it. I hope the same team is given the opportunity to finish it. We need to see the forming of Unatco from TF29, rise of NSF, and Liberty Island attack.
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Butterfly Valley posted:Also I bought Prey for £4, excited to try it after all the high praise it's got itt. Prey is incredible. That's one of those games I wish I could erase my memory of and have a first run at again.
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Grand Fromage posted:Prey is incredible. That's one of those games I wish I could erase my memory of and have a first run at again. A shame the premise of the game's story is only a work of fiction then... Zaphod42 posted:Yeah the modern DX games are more about technology and augmentation and kinda leave the conspiracy theories behind? I'd say the conspiracy theories are still just as present in the later games as they were in the original DX. You are still involved with a shadowy government cabal trying to take over the world via corporate influence. There may be less cheesy fluff like 'Bigfoot is really your neighbour!' but the themes are still there. The second gem even has the beginnings of the Gray Death epidemic being touched on.
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MD is great*, an ssd is vital though. the loading screens are insane. * dumb microtransactions, clumsy beginning and ending aside
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Aug 22, 2019 21:43
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Am I correct in understanding that the only thing to do anything with the triangle codes is a paid phone app? I think this actually changed, too, when I bounced off the game a year or two ago, the app was called "Deus Ex Universe" and was free, now it's called "Deus Ex Go" and is paid
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feelix posted:Am I correct in understanding that the only thing to do anything with the triangle codes is a paid phone app? I think this actually changed, too, when I bounced off the game a year or two ago, the app was called "Deus Ex Universe" and was free, now it's called "Deus Ex Go" and is paid Deus Ex Universe and Go were two different things. Universe was the whole....Universe. Like information and poo poo. Go was just a F2P puzzle game. Also while it sucks the game had micro transactions at all, thankfully they were unobtrusive and absolutely not needed.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:I'd say the conspiracy theories are still just as present in the later games as they were in the original DX. You are still involved with a shadowy government cabal trying to take over the world via corporate influence. HR definitely slow rolled the conspiracy stuff, but that made it all the more surprising when you take that elevator down to the FEMA complex under Detroit. I'm not surprised they've diminished the conspiracy angle a little since it ages Deus Ex in a weird way. Rolling our current conspiracies like Qanon into the lore would be gross though. DE should stay a retro futuristic time capsule of 90s paranoia.
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Aug 22, 2019 22:21
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah the modern DX games are more about technology and augmentation and kinda leave the conspiracy theories behind? They really suffered from Starwars Prequel Syndrome with everything being far more advanced in the prequels compared to the original game. You go from a ranged taser gun in HR, to a ranged multi-shot, target-tracking taser arm in MD, and then somehow end up with melee stun baton in DX. I feel like they really could have learned into developing the lore for the prequels instead of trying to upstage the tech of the original game.
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They claimed that was a story arc going to be explored in the games, 2027 was a technological peak and the world started collapsing, with a regression to the 2052 of Deus Ex. But it's also just a very common sci-fi thing of any series that goes on for a while, the things that looked sci-fi in your original version are more primitive than reality in the more recent versions. The original DX has computers with prominent optical drives, those public kiosks, no smartphones, etc. You can endlessly complain about modern Star Trek having flatscreens or get over it.
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Grand Fromage posted:They claimed that was a story arc going to be explored in the games, 2027 was a technological peak and the world started collapsing, with a regression to the 2052 of Deus Ex. But it's also just a very common sci-fi thing of any series that goes on for a while, the things that looked sci-fi in your original version are more primitive than reality in the more recent versions. The original DX has computers with prominent optical drives, those public kiosks, no smartphones, etc. You can endlessly complain about modern Star Trek having flatscreens or get over it. Modern Trek gets around that a little because its an alternate timeline. For all we know, Spock showed up and was like "hey my dudes, here's the secret to flatscreen computers" I mean they did it once before https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaVgRj2e5_s Hello computer! 
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Zaphod42 posted:Modern Trek gets around that a little because its an alternate timeline. For all we know, Spock showed up and was like "hey my dudes, here's the secret to flatscreen computers" That's only the JJ Trek movies. Modern TV trek is all the original timeline and takes place prior to TOS but looks modern because it's not the 60s anymore.
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Grand Fromage posted:That's only the JJ Trek movies. Modern TV trek is all the original timeline and takes place prior to TOS but looks modern because it's not the 60s anymore. Enterprise and Discovery are both garbage better off ignored. 
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I found a fast way of dealing with the subway hostage situation: https://youtu.be/3On73_5mSSQ Apologies for the contrasty look, OBS recorded it really dark for some reason and I had to boost it in Premiere.
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Grand Fromage posted:But it's also just a very common sci-fi thing of any series that goes on for a while, the things that looked sci-fi in your original version are more primitive than reality in the more recent versions. The solution is you just own it as an aesthetic, the same way Alien Isolation did.
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Lemon-Lime posted:The solution is you just own it as an aesthetic, the same way Alien Isolation did. It's funny you mention that - Alien and Aliens are probably my favourite sci-fi movies but I have to laugh every time I watch them with the Nostromo being some super-advanced interstellar starship/barge but decked out in ancient CRTs with a computer interface more primitive than DOS. The beginning of Aliens also has that scene with Ripley being chewed out in a smokey boardroom full of stuffed suits thats so god damned 80's it hurts. It reminds me of how my father used to dress when I was a kid. But it all comes down to "don't think about it so much and enjoy the show". I think people just need to realize that when trying to predict the future there are going to be things people miss or don't consider. I almost envy the people of 2052 who aren't stuck in a society where people are glued to a smartphone 24/7. Plot holes and gameplay issues aside I thought the Eidos team was doing a good job of setting things up for a return to 2052 and going through the reasons why the world was the way it was, why there were so few augmented people by the time JC appeared on the scene. There are going to be things that you can't reconcile between different works created almost 15-20 years apart but I feel as though its almost better to just sort of gloss over them, or mention them in passing, rather than trying to come up with some ridiculously convoluted explanation that only serves to call attention to the discrepancy and make people ask even more questions.
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Psychotic Weasel posted:I almost envy the people of 2052 who aren't stuck in a society where people are glued to a smartphone 24/7. Its only gonna get worse, not better. 2052 will be Ready Player One with everybody glued to VR headsets 24/7. Big Bizness posted:I found a fast way of dealing with the subway hostage situation: Lmao, speedrun!
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I mean, low-fi aesthetics are a thing (and Disney did it for the Star Wars sequels.) and it just seemed really tacky for the DX series to play into the Dark Ages myth where technology regressed from previous highs (It didn't.)
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Big Bizness posted:I found a fast way of dealing with the subway hostage situation: There's a Deus Ex mod called Hotel Carone that had a hostage rescue part where you had to escort them out of the building they're being held in. I got fed up with it - it's forced stealth if you don't do things in the right order -.and ended up just knocking the hostages out and throwing them out the window. It actually recognized it as a valid solution, which was nice.
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Just finished MD, it's good. It's funny how structurally it's a modern Thief 3.
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MD is very good, and now that the internet issues I've been having for almost a full week are kind of resolved, I'll finally be able to finish A Criminal Past. ...after I do the new Elusive Target in Hitman 2, of course. I had over fifty containers of alcohol by the end of the main story, and that was after a full game of going on massive drinking binges almost constantly. Jensen needed booze for his robot brain.
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That must be where JC got his alcoholism from. It reminds me of a special "emergent gameplay" moment where my brother was playing the Red Sun 2020 mod which had a lot of huge empty levels and not a lot of supplies. He was low on health with no medkits and had to drink every bottle in an entire bar to recover health. Deus Ex 2 was lame with how alcohol and drugs just made you take damage with no wobbly screen effects.
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Zaphod42 posted:Yeah the modern DX games are more about technology and augmentation and kinda leave the conspiracy theories behind? Others have pointed this out, but conspiracy theories as a genre haven't aged well. In the late 90's when the first one came out, you could watch the X-Files on prime time and get a fun new conspiracy theory every week. Movies like the Matrix were telling us everything we knew was a lie. Fast forward to today when you have people shooting up pizza restaurants. I think it'd be irresponsible if Deus Ex had George Soros giving you Illuminati missions or you met 'Q' at UNATCO headquarters. When people are being sent pipe bombs through the mail, it's no longer fun anymore.
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Cointelprofessional posted:When people are being sent pipe bombs through the mail, it's no longer fun anymore. The 90s had plenty of domestic terrorism and violence though?
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Item Getter posted:That must be where JC got his alcoholism from. My liver is augmented
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ThisIsNoZaku posted:The 90s had plenty of domestic terrorism and violence though? Yeah I was going to say the 90s also had people sending pipe bombs through the mail.
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I don't mean to downplay 90's domestic terrorism. Some of the worst bombings in the history of the country happened during that time, but many weren't related to conspiracy theories. Many of them were tied to the sovereign citizen movement and a hate of abortion clinics. Hell, maybe I have a selective memory. But it feels different that 20 years ago you, as JC Denton, were fighting against the forces behind the Trilateral Commission and the Bilderberg Group and the modern equivalent would be a raid on an MJ12 base underneath the Clinton Foundation to get her emails.
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Cointelprofessional posted:I don't mean to downplay 90's domestic terrorism. Some of the worst bombings in the history of the country happened during that time, but many weren't related to conspiracy theories. Many of them were tied to the sovereign citizen movement and a hate of abortion clinics. The modern equivalent would be the raid on Area 51 to free the aliens that are for sure there while people on the southern border are dying of the flu in DHS Concentration Camps.
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I'm picturing JC Denton doing the Naruto Run with his trenchoat, sunglasses, and deadpan blank expression.
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Cointelprofessional posted:Others have pointed this out, but conspiracy theories as a genre haven't aged well. In the late 90's when the first one came out, you could watch the X-Files on prime time and get a fun new conspiracy theory every week. Movies like the Matrix were telling us everything we knew was a lie. That's fair yeah Angry_Ed posted:Yeah I was going to say the 90s also had people sending pipe bombs through the mail. Unabomber was a thing yeah, among others People are awful 
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Yeah the Oklahoma City bombing was in 1995 (5 years before Deus Ex came out), and was an anti-government motive thing. The NSF blowing up the statue of liberty isn't that dissimilar in concept to the real stuff going on. Of course it quickly spirals into top secret genetics labs hidden in the New York sewers, but the general setting of Deus Ex definitely drew on real events, not just the tinfoil hat stuff.
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Hi so I'm playing through Black Mesa right now and I realized it's probably time for me to try out Deus Ex, which I've never played. The OP hasn't been updated in six years and wondering the best way to Do Sex in 2019. There seems to be a good deal of controversy over the Revision mod, which I guess introduces DX9 support but also music remixes and other sacrilege. I do greatly value graphics mods, for instance I much prefer playing Black Mesa today to Half-Life or Half-Life Source.
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I just finished playing with GMDX. It has graphical and gameplay updates without changing the fundamentals of how the game works. If you're not going to just play vanilla, I'd say GMDX is the way to go. Revision changes a lot of the maps for no apparent reason, which is fun on your 15th playthrough but I wouldn't do it for a first time.
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Cointelprofessional posted:Others have pointed this out, but conspiracy theories as a genre haven't aged well. In the late 90's when the first one came out, you could watch the X-Files on prime time and get a fun new conspiracy theory every week. Movies like the Matrix were telling us everything we knew was a lie. This poo poo happened in the 90s and it also happened before that. Deus Ex was never that specific with its conspiracies, which is one of the reasons why it still resonates today. Ideas about man made viruses, the unchecked advancement of technology, and shadowy cabals like the Illuminati controlling things behind the scenes have been around for decades if not centuries or millennia. And, like a good science fiction story, even if the premise is fantastical or unbelievable it makes you think and walk away from the material with ideas that relate to the real world. Sure its possible to make a lovely unfun Deus Ex 2 that continually references modern conspiracies without thought, but I don't think that's what fans want when they ask for a greater focus on conspiracy theories.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Hi so I'm playing through Black Mesa right now and I realized it's probably time for me to try out Deus Ex, which I've never played. The OP hasn't been updated in six years and wondering the best way to Do Sex in 2019. There seems to be a good deal of controversy over the Revision mod, which I guess introduces DX9 support but also music remixes and other sacrilege. I do greatly value graphics mods, for instance I much prefer playing Black Mesa today to Half-Life or Half-Life Source. I'd highly recommend not playing with either of the major mods (revision, gmdx) first and just sucking it up and dealing with the poo poo graphics. Biomod on the other hand adds some smart and useful changes that improve qol for the player without loving around with things too much.
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Cointelprofessional posted:Others have pointed this out, but conspiracy theories as a genre haven't aged well. In the late 90's when the first one came out, you could watch the X-Files on prime time and get a fun new conspiracy theory every week. Movies like the Matrix were telling us everything we knew was a lie. Hell, even the X-Files itself fell victim to this. When it had the revival a few years ago it had an Alex Jones figure played by Joel McHale who was portrayed as a good guy and it was just horribly tone deaf and skin crawling. Same with a later episode where they had the X-Files getting involved in preventing a suicide bombing by Muslim extremists and it just felt gross and wrong.
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Is the Kentie executable still ok to use? It helps run Unreal 1 engine games on modern systems and cleans up the graphics a bit https://kentie.net/article/dxguide/
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I've said it itt before but I think there's plenty of juicy material from our current era that would be ripe for development into near future conspiracies without being too specific or pants on head ridiculous Shadowy organisations using social media to rig elections worldwide, algorithms and ai controlling how people see the world, deepfakes, proxy wars, dormant cold war rivalries leading to weird nuclear incidents and a new push for space exploration, private organisations led by eccentric billionaires developing obscure technologies, constant surveillance and erosion of privacy and facial recognition software being used to profile and discriminate etc etc Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Aug 23, 2019 |
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