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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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Main Paineframe posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/RabbiShmuley/status/1164565704810606592 pictured: the torah not being weaponized, politically https://twitter.com/SenRickScott/status/1164240501081628672 excommunicating insufficiently hawish reform jews and replacing them with evangelical christians lmao
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Willie Tomg posted:pictured: the torah not being weaponized, politically that's literally Zionism's goal, yes
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Aug 22, 2019 23:25
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https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1164321320005451778 Bernie got em scared
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Aug 23, 2019 01:04
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Armando making the front page of dailykos a completely unreadable circlejerk during the '04 elections is also why I started reading more D&D and somethingawful in general before creating an account. So y'all also have that travesty to lay at his feet.
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Aug 23, 2019 01:53
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Willie Tomg posted:Armando making the front page of dailykos a completely unreadable circlejerk during the '04 elections is also why I started reading more D&D and somethingawful in general before creating an account. So y'all also have that travesty to lay at his feet. online is a great circle
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Aug 23, 2019 01:56
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Speaking of global warming https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1164677400413843456
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Aug 23, 2019 02:06
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I thought Biden's main (only) argument was "I'm the most electable"  https://twitter.com/Civiqs/status/1164635425324990464
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Aug 23, 2019 02:17
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   Of course, she never addresses any of the replies or corrects her original tweet. This is a CNN commentor and Shareblue editor with over 50,000 followers. Blatant media manipulation. bowser fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Aug 23, 2019 |
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Aug 23, 2019 02:29
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Charlz Guybon posted:I thought Biden's main (only) argument was "I'm the most electable" remember how the congressional democratic committee or some poo poo ran a poll about how unpopular AOC, omar, and tlaib are in "battleground"/trump districts?' this has favorability ratings on those three *plus pelosi* who polls far more unfavorably than all three of them lmao
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Aug 23, 2019 02:48
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Imma cross post my wind insight from yesterday, 'cause it seems hella relevant in here right now: Bernies plan is fuckin' dumb and won't scale, not fast enough to matter a gently caress anyways. I build wind turbines. I build the biggest motherfucking wind turbines on the goddamn planet. The project I signed a contract for in May, which was supposed to start in July, has been delayed to the end of October. Because Vestas cannot supply parts fast enough to meet demand. They had something like a piddly 3200 turbine orders in North America this year and they're running 6-8 months behind on production of everything from the blades to the gearboxes to the tower sections themselves. Same poo poo with the other major producers such as Siemens and Enercon. And these are for onshore turbines, proven technology, in a market which isn't even particularly demanding right now. What I'm saying is, we're not buying a metric fuckload of these right now and they can barely keep up with demand, how the gently caress do you think it's going to scale if countries implemented the kind of pie-in-the-sky infrastructure nonsense in these GND's? That elephant aside, wind turbines are not something you build and forget about. They have the harshest operating environment of anything outside of nuclear, except nuclear components last a whole loving lot longer. The generators sit hundreds of feet off the ground, oscillate constantly, are exposed to insane thermal cycling, and if they're offshore you can add salt air to that. Nothing on these lasts more than five years, maybe a decade. Generators, gearboxes, blade swaps, transformers, literally everything gets swapped out faster than you change the tires on your loving car. At insane cost, both financially and environmentally. Some of you have phones older than the blades on a turbine built in 2014. And you have to replace all three at once, can't just swap one out. A V136 blade costs half a million dollars, each. You know when a wind turbine generates power? Not when it's windy, contrary to popular belief. Gotta be juuuuuust right. Too little wind, it won't turn enough to make it worthwhile. Too much wind, gotta shut it down to avoid it going runaway! Lifespan? 30 years. 30 years and those fuckers are coming down, they're condemned. They've been flailing around like a limp noodle for so long that the foundations are hosed and the tower itself has stress fractures. So imagine that we build a few hundred gigawatts of wind turbines today, we're going to have to replace it all at the same time in three decades. That isn't free, from a materials or carbon standpoint. You know what's a great plan? Take everyone's car away, liquidate Amazon and Wal-Mart, ration the energy grid, shoot anyone who gets uppity about the end of our pleasuredome lifestyle in the loving head. Because we're all hosed anyways and this kind of unrealistic bullshit at this late hour is just sugar-coating the rapidly approaching loving.  Would've been great in the 70's, fuckin' worthless in 2020.
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Aug 23, 2019 02:56
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Centrists have no self awareness... https://twitter.com/SehzadeSoroush/status/1164637891219189760 Enjoy my so "political commentary" and memes! Centrist Democrat, who believes in unifying politics, not wing politics. Right wing and Left wing ideals divide 
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Aug 23, 2019 03:10
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Rime posted:The project I signed a contract for in May, which was supposed to start in July, has been delayed to the end of October. Because Vestas cannot supply parts fast enough to meet demand. They had something like a piddly 3200 turbine orders in North America this year and they're running 6-8 months behind on production of everything from the blades to the gearboxes to the tower sections themselves. So your problems with wind turbines are: 1. Suppliers can't keep up with demand. 2. They require a lot of maintenance. 3. They have certain conditions where they work adequately. 4. They only last 30 years I really don't see a big problem here? Suppliers can't keep up with demand? Subsidize expanding production capabilities and funding new suppliers. They require lots of maintenance? Sounds like a great industry that will create a lot of jobs as we transition to a green economy. Only work in certain conditions? I mean that's why you build mass amounts of them and place them wherever the conditions are typically right, so that you can have some portion not spinning and still be fine. They only last 30 years? How is this a problem? 30 years seems like plenty of time for a ~$4m turbine. In 30 years I would hope we have better turbines or alternative energy technologies to turn to.
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Aug 23, 2019 03:14
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bernie's idea sounds nice at first, but you really see how unrealistic it is when you consider that bernie has no plan for how to PAY for it
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Aug 23, 2019 03:19
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Aug 23, 2019 03:32
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Rime posted:Bernies plan is fuckin' dumb and won't scale, not fast enough to matter a gently caress anyways.
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Aug 23, 2019 03:44
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We can sneak smart phones into every aspect of our lives without any protest but making a new legion of jobs to maintain infrastructure is unthinkable, apparently?
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Aug 23, 2019 03:56
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twodot posted:Who is the 2020 Democratic Primary candidate whose plan is smart and will scale? #YangGang I don’t know though, maybe reorienting the economy around renewable will lead to more component supply? Or is that too radical and the most we should vote for is a quicker death.
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Aug 23, 2019 04:06
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All 3 of these things can be (are) true. Bernie’s climate plan doesn’t do enough to prevent a massive climate disaster. Bernie has the best plan for dealing with climate change. Even if Bernie didn’t have the best climate plan, he’d still be the best candidate.
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Aug 23, 2019 04:32
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Only avatar Marianne can master the orb and bring balance to the world.
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Aug 23, 2019 04:35
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Bernstrike posted:#YangGang Yang's climate "plan", such as it is, actually sucks really bad. It's basically just:
He seems to have little interest in decarbonizing the economy.
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Aug 23, 2019 04:41
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Eminai posted:Bernie’s climate plan doesn’t do enough to prevent a massive climate disaster.
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Aug 23, 2019 04:49
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Ytlaya posted:The issue is that changing public opinion has to start somewhere (and as I think someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if anti-nuclear sentiment was encouraged by the fossil fuel industry over the decades). Normally I'd agree but we have 12 years, building a nuclear plant takes decades. There simply isn't time even if you had the majority of Americans behind you today, and we don't even have that we'd have to start convincing people. Imo it's just a distraction, would have been nice thirty years ago, but an nuclear grid powered by the mighty atom is a nerd pipe-dream. Ytlaya posted:My opinion is that the "any plan without nuclear can't work" argument* seems wrong based upon existing evidence and that it's seemingly possible to accomplish most of the same greenhouse gas reduction with renewables, but at the same time the motivation for banning nuclear power is definitely dumb/irrational and it would be better if nuclear could be honestly evaluated as an option. Maybe public opinion can't be changed enough to make it a part of any plan to fight climate change, but it certainly can't hurt to at least not explicitly write it off. Yeah that's really the thing, if people weren't irrationally afraid of nukes it would make averting climate change cheaper and more efficient, but there's a ton of evidence that we can move forward without it if we start now. Maybe I'm just cynical because a lot of it seems to be coming from people who poo poo on environmentalists and were denying the scale of the crisis and arguing for meaningless bullshit like Cap And Trade and the Paris Climate Accords, right up until it became impossible to defend denialism in public anymore and those people all switched to a new tactic of delaying action with endless concern trolling about how nothing is ever 'good enough'.
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Aug 23, 2019 04:50
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Main Paineframe posted:Yang's climate "plan", such as it is, actually sucks really bad. I know it was a throw away line. A more interesting subject I’ve been thinking about is whether moving to crisis/war footing to deal with the economy and environment could be expanded to other aspects of society. For example, could you introduce some kind of censorship to stop climate change denialism being broadcast? If any candidate wants to implement a program of that scale in office, it’s likely to be a lot harder with FNC and others shilling for the fossil fuel industry. Might not be a topic for this thread, happy to discuss elsewhere.
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Aug 23, 2019 05:41
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Bernstrike posted:I know it was a throw away line. Problem is censorship is an incredibly dangerous double-edged sword that's almost immediately going to be co-opted and misused, and the right has gotten good at using progressive rhetoric to cloak their own causes, with moral panics over sexism and objectification suddenly going straight for LGBT media.
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Aug 23, 2019 06:20
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Problem is censorship is an incredibly dangerous double-edged sword that's almost immediately going to be co-opted and misused, and the right has gotten good at using progressive rhetoric to cloak their own causes, with moral panics over sexism and objectification suddenly going straight for LGBT media. If you're implementing full-scale censorship, you're probably at war already, in which case "co-option" doesn't matter.
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Aug 23, 2019 06:37
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Problem is censorship is an incredibly dangerous double-edged sword that's almost immediately going to be co-opted and misused, and the right has gotten good at using progressive rhetoric to cloak their own causes, with moral panics over sexism and objectification suddenly going straight for LGBT media. You're 20 years late at the most generous to be worrying about overt media censorship being used against the left in wartime. It's been used. We're talking on an alternate channel right now.
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Aug 23, 2019 07:59
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Aug 23, 2019 09:38
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Rime posted:Imma cross post my wind insight from yesterday, 'cause it seems hella relevant in here right now: This post reminds me of a forwarded email that my dad got once in the early 2000s that talked about how electric cars weren't possible or, if they were, there's no way that they could possibly be fuel efficient because car batteries at the time cost a lot and weren't very good. Why are you convinced that the situation can't improve?
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Aug 23, 2019 13:22
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Bernstrike posted:I know it was a throw away line. If you have enough political support to do that, you have enough political support that you probably don't need to do that. The real threat to climate change progress isn't the minority of full-blown denialists, anyway. It's the liberal centrist elites suggesting that we throw fifty billion dollars at industry and impose a few small fees, then let the free market figure out the best way to deal with climate change, without any of those burdensome government interventions or regulations unfairly constraining the invisible hand of capitalism.
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Aug 23, 2019 14:14
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https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/1164819275254681600 https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/1164820396014575617
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Aug 23, 2019 14:26
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cue the lovely recorder version of my heart will go on https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1164893005670752256
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Aug 23, 2019 14:33
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:cue the lovely recorder version of my heart will go on I wonder if the supporters of Hickenlooper, Inslee, Swalwell, and Moulton are even statistically significant enough to warrant speculation on where they will go now that their candidates have dropped out. Inslee was the only person that's dropped out recently to meet the donor qualification, so maybe there's enough of something there (but probably not) to go to other people.
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Aug 23, 2019 14:45
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:cue the lovely recorder version of my heart will go on lol he was the keynote speaker at my state democratic party's big fundraising dinner earlier this year they sure know how to pick a winner
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Aug 23, 2019 14:58
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I really had a hard time differentiating that Ryan/Moulton/Swalwell group since they are so boring and had no real hooks as to why they should get votes
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The Muppets On PCP posted:lol he was the keynote speaker at my state democratic party's big fundraising dinner earlier this year he's my rep 
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Aug 23, 2019 15:09
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FlamingLiberal posted:I really had a hard time differentiating that Ryan/Moulton/Swalwell group since they are so boring and had no real hooks as to why they should get votes they're all the same person it's an optical illusion
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Aug 23, 2019 15:11
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Kith posted:This post reminds me of a forwarded email that my dad got once in the early 2000s that talked about how electric cars weren't possible or, if they were, there's no way that they could possibly be fuel efficient because car batteries at the time cost a lot and weren't very good. Two points: 1. It won’t improve fast enough so we need to take more radical measures beyond simply maintaining our lifestyles with no change. Maybe that means as attention towards sustainable energy increases we can get our lifestyles back but will have a 20 year lull. 2. Maybe it’ll improve much faster if the entire nation’s resources and problem solvers are directed to fixing these issues.
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Aug 23, 2019 15:16
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Groovelord Neato posted:he's my rep Mine too! God, I hope he loses his House seat too. I should look and see if he has any primary opponents. This district sucks, though.
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Kith posted:This post reminds me of a forwarded email that my dad got once in the early 2000s that talked about how electric cars weren't possible or, if they were, there's no way that they could possibly be fuel efficient because car batteries at the time cost a lot and weren't very good. Not to speak for him, but a lot of the issues he's talking about are fundamental properties of the materials. "Invent new forms of steel and concrete that are far more durable" isn't some low hanging fruit obstacle.
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