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Will LiS2 feature more dead/deabeat parents than LiS1/BTS?
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Paul Zuvella, what you are asking it literally not possible.
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Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Larryb posted:

And we should be getting the trailer sometime this evening.

Sorry, they released the trailer already at Gamescom:

https://twitter.com/LifeIsStrange/status/1163520287872299008

Interestingly: There is NO Daniel in the trailer

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Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Yeah, I saw that right after I posted. Here’s the YouTube version:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=EoFJO2sC1a0

Looks interesting enough, it apparently picks up 2 months after episode 3 with Sean coming out of a coma. I’m very curious how this is going to play since Sean seems to be going solo in this one (also I’m assuming the woman’s voice at the very end is supposed to be his mom Karen).

Also I think this may be the first time a LiS trailer contained a scene that was dependent on player choice (there’s a shot of Cassidy laying unconscious from the end of episode 3).

I’ve heard that Jacob will be back this episode in a bigger role but I’m not sure about the rest of the hippie group (and if they are it probably won’t be for very long).

Like I said before, I kind of hope the drawing mechanic is altered slightly to reflect Sean’s missing eye (like you can now only see half your surroundings or something like that).

Larryb fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Aug 19, 2019

Karpaw
Oct 29, 2011

by Cyrano4747
Exciting, maybe something will even happen before the end of the episode this time!

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

Nothing has ever happened in a life is strange game. This is scientifically proven

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Karpaw posted:

Exciting, maybe something will even happen before the end of the episode this time!

Technically things happen at the beginning as well, it’s just the middle of the game where the story tends to lag. Though to be fair the original game and BtS had moments like that as well (particularly Episode 1 of the latter where the actual plot doesn’t really kick in until the end), though not quite to the extent of “wander aimlessly in the woods for about 30% of the episode with only your little brother to interact with”.

As for this game, Episode 2 onwards has at least been better as far as the NPC aspect goes at any rate (as I’ve said, episode 3 is the only one so far that actually felt like a proper Life is Strange installment). I’m also hoping Episode 5 manages to break the cycle of somewhat disappointing finales in LiS games but I won’t hold my breath.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world


As a person who has only played episode 1 so far

Did I make the right call to wait for all remaining episodes to be released before continuing or what

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Squiddycat posted:

As a person who has only played episode 1 so far

Did I make the right call to wait for all remaining episodes to be released before continuing or what

I will say it in my opinion it gets better as it goes along (Episode 3 is probably the best one so far). There’s more people to interact with, somewhat more interesting environments, and a better sense as to where the plot is actually going. But it’s up to you really as opinions are kind of mixed regarding this game.

The finale won’t be out until December 3rd though.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Aug 21, 2019

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Life is Strange #8: Considering this is the end of a story arc there’s not a whole lot to say about this one. Max rewinds back to before Tristan was shot and winds up getting caught by a pair of thugs, gets bailed out by Tristan thanks to his invisibility powers and a little help from Chloe and Rachel and at the end finally decides to tell Chloe and Rachel the truth about her time powers and how she’s not originally from this reality..

This arc was ok for the most part. It feels like we barely got to know Tristan (hell, we didn’t even get his name or backstory until last issue) but it seems like he’s going to be sticking around for a bit so that could change in the future. Besides that, there were a lot of good Amberprice moments and it was fun to see Max and Rachel interact.

It would be nice to see some more side characters from LiS, BtS and maybe even LiS2 show up in the future though, especially since in this new reality Rachel never died, she made it to LA with Chloe and none of the events of the first game ever happened. I’d also like to see Chloe and Rachel get a bit more to do going forward as well.

Issue 9 drops October 16th and begins a new story arc.

Back on topic, someone on Reddit recently posted the casting calls for Episodes 4 and 5 (spoiler warning of course):

http://web.archive.org/web/20190807235410/https://www.hollywoodcastingandfilm.com/p/bristlecone-150760/

https://web.archive.org/web/20190808012825/https://hollywoodcastingandfilm.com/p/yucca-160660/

The names are different as is normally the case for these kind of things but the descriptions line up and seem to confirm that Karen (referred to as “Kathy” on the above list) will indeed be showing up in Episode 4. Also, it seems the final stop on our journey is going to be Arizona.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Aug 21, 2019

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
I'm in the hospital and just picked up my sketchbook that the nurse left for me. I got to some page, and Sean goes "Wait what's that?" and then I can read the page and look through the sketchbook... but I can't leave the sketchbook. Escape does nothing, hitting read or back does nothing, going through the pages does nothing. Am I missing something obvious here?

edit: Oh I had to go backwards a few pages. That's not really intuitive.

edit: In what world would I EVER stop my break out to wake up Finn and talk to him?? He's the reason I'm here in the first place! Come on Dontnod, give me an actual choice :lol:

Macaluso fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Aug 22, 2019

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Macaluso posted:

I'm in the hospital and just picked up my sketchbook that the nurse left for me. I got to some page, and Sean goes "Wait what's that?" and then I can read the page and look through the sketchbook... but I can't leave the sketchbook. Escape does nothing, hitting read or back does nothing, going through the pages does nothing. Am I missing something obvious here?

edit: Oh I had to go backwards a few pages. That's not really intuitive.

edit: In what world would I EVER stop my break out to wake up Finn and talk to him?? He's the reason I'm here in the first place! Come on Dontnod, give me an actual choice :lol:

Is Cassidy in the hospital as well assuming she was there when Daniel flipped out last episode?

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Larryb posted:

Is Cassidy in the hospital as well assuming she was there when Daniel flipped out last episode?

She wasn't there for me. I managed to keep everyone alive but Finn was in the hospital for some reason and Cassidy I think got interviewed by the cops but is out roaming California with Hannah and Co. You get a letter from her you can read. It seems that the cops were more concerned with busting a major pot growing operation than any of the drifter kids roped into it so it sounds like everyone but Sean and maybe Finn were basically allowed to go free. I'm unclear on why Finn is in the hospital

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Huh, that’s weird as based on the end of episode 3 she’d be injured as well assuming she was still there (also somewhat disappointing as I liked her much better than Finn)

Also does episode 4 open with some kind of playable flashback or other side thing the way the previous one dId or do we jump straight to Sean waking up in the hospital?

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!

Larryb posted:

Huh, that’s weird as based on the end of episode 3 she’d be injured as well assuming she was still there (also somewhat disappointing as I liked her much better than Finn)

Also does episode 4 open with some kind of playable flashback or other side thing the way the previous one dId or do we jump straight to Sean waking up in the hospital?

The first one. edit: Well it's not playable

And yeah I don't understand why Finn is in the hospital but Cassidy isn't. Or why Cassidy is out of the hospital but Finn is still there. I feel like I may have glossed over a line of dialogue or something, because Cassidy and Finns should be in the same situation injury wise

Also man I wish they would release these on a different day because literally every episode I've head only about an hour and a half to play them before having to go to work which means I won't be able to finish this chapter until tomorrow night :argh:

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Just started playing this a bit, I appreciate that they changed the drawing mechanic a bit to match Sean’s newfound lack of depth perception.

As for Cassidy, apparently her injuries were light and she was already released (there’s a letter from her in Sean’s room you can read).

Also it seems like Cassidy wasn’t her real name (the photo the agent gives you calls her Lucy Rose Jones). Still kind of sucks that Finn (and later Jacob from what I hear) are the only returning cast members from the previous episode though.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

I think that's the major issue with this game over the first, the lack of a recurring cast other than Sean and Daniel. No characters apart from them really get enough fleshing out. I liked Jacob a lot more in this episode though.

But yeah, I can't help think that the vignette nature of the plot of this game has done it a disservice.

CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Aug 22, 2019

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Which is kind of a shame really as I actually liked a lot of the previous episode’s cast (except Finn that is). I’m hoping that if there’s another Life is Strange game after this it’ll be a bit more structured like the original and BTS were (I’m fine with switching to a new cast again though). It’s kind of hard to get attached to a supporting cast when they keep getting cycled out every episode.

Speaking of returning characters, there’s also some letters from Claire, Stephen, and Chris (I’m still wondering if the latter’s mom will be relevant at some point, otherwise why bother giving him his own game to begin with) you can read while you’re in the hospital.

I’m also wondering if the dream sequence at the beginning where Daniel throws himself off a cliff is meant to foreshadow something later on. Also it seems like Sean didn’t straight up lose an eye like we assumed but it did get damaged a good bit.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Aug 22, 2019

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Out of curiosity, is there another way to escape the hospital besides tearing off the metal bar in the bathroom and using it to open the window?

Clanpot Shake
Aug 10, 2006
shake shake!

Larryb posted:

Out of curiosity, is there another way to escape the hospital besides tearing off the metal bar in the bathroom and using it to open the window?

Yes. You can lure the guard into the room and brain him or lure the nurse Joey into the room and brain him or talk to Joey and be pathetic and sad and he will feel so bad for you that he will help you but doublespoiler you have to brain him so they don't think he's an accomplice..

I didn't find any approaches that didn't lead to braining someone so I just did the thing you did because honestly who wants to have to explain that to Daniel.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

How do you get the guard to come into the room? He didn't seem to buy it when I tried asking for medicine.

Anyway, I just finished it. I sort of liked Episode 3 better but it wasn't bad, while what she did isn't great I actually kind of wound up liking Karen a lot more than I was expecting to (she's sort of like a more mature version of Sera minus the drug use) and my opinion of Jacob has greatly improved thanks to his involvement in this episode. The cult wasn't around for as long as I assumed but they still made for effective villains none the less.

Considering how much the previous episode was devoted to being able to set up a relationship with her and/or Finn it kind of sucks that Cassidy didn't show up in this episode at all outside of a letter and a photograph

But overall, not bad. Next time it looks like Karen's joining the party as the boys head to Arizona for the last leg of their journey. While I'm still not sure whether or not they'll actually make it all the way to Mexico I'm at least hoping they're able to buck the trend of the last two games and give us a satisfying finale


Finally, here's the collectable guide for Episode 4:

Drawing Spots:

1. When you wake up in the hospital look through the sketchbook on the table, afterwards you’ll have the option to draw something.
2. In Nevada, sit on a rock underneath the first big sign you see and open your backpack.
3. At the hotel, peek through the curtain by the door. Look at the curtain again afterwards and you’ll now have the option to sit and draw.

Souvenirs:

1. Once the nurse leaves and you can freely walk around the hospital room look at the pen on the table, afterwards you’ll be able to pick it up.
2. Inside the car Sean stole you can find and take Agent Flores’ business card.
3. Once you’re in Nevada search around on the right side of the road for a bit and eventually you’ll find a small skull on the ground you can pick up.
4. Inside the church, pick up the pin on the blue table to your left.
5. In the hotel, open up the drawer in between the beds and grab the casino token inside.
6. After entering Lizabeth’s office near the end, head left and into a room where you’ll see a bed with red sheets and some drawings on the wall. Check behind the pillow to snag the last souvenir for the episode.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Aug 23, 2019

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
I just had Karen show up. Question: So far every single decision I've made has had the single wolf icon instead of the multiple wolf icon, but obviously Daniel wasn't around for any of them. Do any of the other options while Daniel isn't around do the two wolves or just Daniel's wolf? Or is it the single wolf no matter what? I'm feeling like so far it's pretty one sides when I usually try to pick the option that does both wolves

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Macaluso posted:

I just had Karen show up. Question: So far every single decision I've made has had the single wolf icon instead of the multiple wolf icon, but obviously Daniel wasn't around for any of them. Do any of the other options while Daniel isn't around do the two wolves or just Daniel's wolf? Or is it the single wolf no matter what? I'm feeling like so far it's pretty one sides when I usually try to pick the option that does both wolves

There are some Daniel choices as well but they’re mostly at the very end.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Okay cool, I wasn't sure if I was just picking the wrong choices there or if it was always one wolf since there's no Daniel around for them.

Also I really wish the trucker segment had been longer. I would've liked to have had stuff to talk about him.

Clanpot Shake
Aug 10, 2006
shake shake!

Larryb posted:

How do you get the guard to come into the room? He didn't seem to buy it when I tried asking for medicine.

Break the pipe off and close the curtain. There's a prompt on the closed curtain and on the door that may play out differently, I don't know. You may also need to first wake him up first by asking for medicine. Happy braining!

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Clanpot Shake posted:

Break the pipe off and close the curtain. There's a prompt on the closed curtain and on the door that may play out differently, I don't know. You may also need to first wake him up first by asking for medicine. Happy braining!


Good to know, I’m doing a separate playthrough in conjunction with my main one where I intentionally make the worst decisions possible so maybe I’ll try that next time. Do you still get the Finn scene if you don’t use the window to escape?

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
I am having a conversation with Karen outside of the motel and I'm absolutely ADORING it. I dunno how anyone else feels about this as I'm mostly avoiding the black bars til I finish but I'm finding this character way more interesting than I was expecting. Maybe it gets revealed later that she does actually have powers like Daniel but I find it way more of an interesting choice the route they went with her is that she's really more of just a gently caress up, and she left for (subjectively) bad reasons. Like I really don't think any of her reasons for bailing on Daniel and Sean are like... acceptable, but it does make her a much more interesting character. Also her voice acting is good.

edit: That whole part was great. That may legit be my favorite thing so far out of all of LiS2 so far

Macaluso fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Aug 23, 2019

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Yeah, like I said I did not expect to like Karen as much as I did (she’s like a better written version of Sera in some ways).

As you said, her motivations for leaving were not acceptable in the least (as well as being extremely immature) but I do appreciate that she’s at least trying to do the right thing and doesn’t even expect her sons to forgive her. It seems like she’ll be sticking around for the finale so I’m looking forward to seeing more of her.

I’m still hoping for a big “where are they now” montage at the very end showing every major character the boys encountered on their journey and how their own lives were affected as a result.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
gently caress that was AWESOME. Holy poo poo. I'm blown away by that last scene. Gosh dang. What a great chapter.

I managed to find just enough to convince Daniel I guess. I have no idea what happens if you don't convince Daniel, but I'm REALLY interested in the choice I saw at the end where apparently Daniel is hurting Lisbeth AND you can let him go hog wild with his powers on her?? What is that about?? I simply got Daniel to fling her away from the door and bust the door open

This doesn't end in some big revelatory HOLY poo poo WHAT???? thing like the first Life is Strange did in its fourth chapter, but I think the things it did do it did REALLY REALLY well.

Also I'm sorry Sean, I really got you beat up so much this episode :lol: I was defiant as hell at several points

Macaluso fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Aug 23, 2019

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Yeah, unlike the previous entries it’s kind of weird that the penultimate episode of LiS2 doesn’t end on some kind of major revelation (even the preview isn’t too terribly interesting aside from showing that Sean and Daniel have finally reached the border), but it does at least start to give some closure to the whole mom subplot at any rate (which was basically this game’s sole mystery aside from Daniel’s powers, which at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they remain as unexplained as Max’s were in the first game).

Also as a side note it seems like every LiS game is required to have at least one shower scene involving the main protagonist.

But yeah, after a somewhat lackluster start (it wasn’t bad but aside from building up the relationship between the brothers not a whole lot actually happens in between the start of the game and when you reach the gas station) this game seems to be getting better with each passing episode in my opinion. Like I said, I really hope they’re able to make a satisfying conclusion out of all this.

That said, I’m starting to question what the purpose of The Awesome Adventures of Captain Spirit actually was. Chris wasn’t all that relevant in the grand scheme of things (though it did introduce Claire and we meet the church guy who called at the beginning of the game in this episode), and the whole subplot of his mom being killed in a hit and run has (seemingly) nothing to do with our actual protagonists.

It wasn’t bad mind you, I’m just curious as to why Chris got special treatment over the other side characters in this game.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Aug 23, 2019

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

I also can't see any way that this game doesn't end in the most heartrenching downer ending. None of the stuff they've done is really their fault, but ooph, it's not going to go well.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

CottonWolf posted:

I also can't see any way that this game doesn't end in the most heartrenching downer ending. None of the stuff they've done is really their fault, but ooph, it's not going to go well.

Also this is a Life is Strange game so stuff like that is pretty much par for the course, not to mention that the writer has said that LiS2’s plot was inspired by stuff like Of Mice and Men and Into the Wild (neither of which ends particularly well for its protagonists).

Like I said, I’m kind of curious if the dream sequence at the beginning where Daniel throws himself off a cliff was meant to foreshadow something later on (I can almost guarantee you that the final choice at the end will directly involve Daniel at least).

Clanpot Shake
Aug 10, 2006
shake shake!

Larryb posted:

Good to know, I’m doing a separate playthrough in conjunction with my main one where I intentionally make the worst decisions possible so maybe I’ll try that next time. Do you still get the Finn scene if you don’t use the window to escape?

I don't know. I would assume so because it seems kinda big, but I didn't do any of those other things.

Speaking of bad decisions, what happens when you get to the cult and the lady throws you out for being a sinner? I got called to task for beating up the racist convenience store owner from all the way back in episode 1, but that was the only thing. What does she do if you haven't beaten anyone up? I'm guessing there's no way she lets you stay because you have to meet Karen right after and I was just wondering what her reasoning is. Somewhat related, on the highway sequence, does anything happen with the truck driver if you've been a poo poo? I've been laying low and he just seemed nice and fed me but nothing really happened. Kinda feels like something got cut.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

I didn’t beat up the store owner on my main playthrough but I think she just calls you out for what happened in Seattle. You get kicked out no matter what you’ve done of course.

As for the truck driver, I haven’t started my second run yet but I’m assuming it doesn’t change much (I don’t remember him ever bringing up the incident and Sean never tells the trucker his name).

Larryb fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Aug 23, 2019

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Also I can confirm now that Chris is ok if you let him get hit by the cop car (he just had to wear a cast for a few months). As you’d expect, Cassidy’s letter is a bit less positive if you went along with Finn’s plan.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




I liked the episode, but it was kind of annoying how autonomous Sean is in it. He keeps yelling stuff out that I definitely wouldn't have chosen to say. I know I'm not really making story changing decisions here, but at least let me pretend I'm in control.

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Necrothatcher posted:

I liked the episode, but it was kind of annoying how autonomous Sean is in it. He keeps yelling stuff out that I definitely wouldn't have chosen to say. I know I'm not really making story changing decisions here, but at least let me pretend I'm in control.

To be fair the stress is kind of getting to him (there was a similar situation with Daniel last episode) so him being a little testier than usual is understandable, I agree it would be nice to at least have the illusion of choice a bit more though.

Also, did anyone else have some framerate issues with this episode (particularly during the dream sequence with Sean and his dad and later when you’re riding with the trucker)? I just noticed that sometimes things got a little choppy for a bit.

Edit: Strangely on my second playthrough those scenes played fine, it might have had something to do with me opening up my inventory right at the start of the scene.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Aug 23, 2019

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Well I mentioned before about not being surprised if we got a scene later similar to the one in Episode 2 only with a human in place of the cougar and it looks like it just happened:

There’s an alternate version of the episode 4 ending (which I got on my separate Bad Decisions playthrough) where after Daniel is convinced he will then lift Lisbeth into the air with his powers.

You will then have a choice whether to stop Daniel or do nothing. If you choose the latter Daniel will straight up murder the Reverend by snapping her neck (there’s also apparently another outcome where Sean shoots her with Nicholas’ gun)
.

Larryb fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Aug 23, 2019

LoseHound
Nov 10, 2012
wow!! livingly strangely is back!! here's my thoughts:

*Karen is cool and I dig her backstory. Love me some repentant, tired fuckups taking a drag on a cigarette before declaring modern life a hellish jail and social customs hollow security theatre.

*Daniel please listen to me for once. Don't do the old lady like that. god.

*Wow, Life is Strange doesn't really feel right with the TWD here's-our-new-home-let's-ruin-it shtick. Uncovering details about characters by raiding their sock drawers and then tricking them into spilling their life's story isn't as fun when you know they won't be around much longer. I kept forgetting the old bit characters names.

*frickin lmao the girl's name. please sean help sarah lee get to St. Betty Crocker's Hospital for Delicious Brands. she needs preservatives badly.

*Nice driving with the memory of your dead dad scene but BtS did it better :c00lbutt:

Larryb posted:

Also as a side note it seems like every LiS game is required to have at least one shower scene involving the main protagonist.

What was that? Can't hear you over all this busting into offices and raiding Important Files that I'm doing.

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

man the first hour of this episode is capital R rough

e: Is this a joke...

Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 05:26 on Aug 24, 2019

Paul Zuvella
Dec 7, 2011

What an absolute waste of an episode.

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Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Pfft. This episode was great

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