the weed thread: if you yopu want o get hungry go for it.

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AkumaHokoru: Jul 20, 2007

marijuanamancer posted:

these are safe

https://coloradocannabiscompany.com/

https://luckyturtle.co/

illegal state. all we got is kingpen and brassknuckle

# ? Aug 25, 2019 17:53

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marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

AkumaHokoru posted:

illegal state. all we got is kingpen and brassknuckle

that sucks

# ? Aug 25, 2019 17:55

DoombatINC: Apr 20, 2003; Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.

AkumaHokoru posted:

illegal state. all we got is kingpen and brassknuckle

Also, people can wholesale buy Kingpin and Brass Knuckle pre-labeled blanks and fill them with ~whatever~

Like these for instance

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:01

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

some regulation is good

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:02

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

Labes for days posted:

Both nature and the free market routinely kill humans out of sheer indifference. Like, think of how many people over human history died before we realized as a species that water needed to be boiled/treated before consumption?

What I mean is you can plant a million weed plants and if you keep them healthy and happy they will all produce safe weed with no mystery additives 100% of the time. Buy edibles or carts in a weed store and you have no idea how much weed actually went into them, whether or not it was moldy or diluted, etc. Doubly so if you buy them from some guy

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:15

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

poverty goat posted:

What I mean is you can plant a million weed plants and if you keep them healthy and happy they will all produce safe weed with no mystery additives 100% of the time. Buy edibles or carts in a weed store and you have no idea how much weed actually went into them, whether or not it was moldy or diluted, etc. Doubly so if you buy them from some guy

its not that simple tho, pesticides are an arms race against bugs and fungi and its an industry

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:19

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

a lot of times organic pesticides are actually just effectively lower concentrated synthetic pesticides and they have to use more overall coverage to achieve the same results

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:24

Earwicker: Jan 6, 2003

Wizzanthos posted:

yeah it makes way more sense that your dealer would spray raid on his weed, poisoning customers is its own reward

it wasnt an amount that was likely to kill or hospitalize anyone in the short term more like just give you cancer or some other hosed up poo poo over the long term, and a long slow death is profitable for many people.

also it wasnt my dealer doing it, this was a time and place where sometimes the town would go dry enough that the only weed was the bricks that were trucked in from kentucky and it was that poo poo that had been sprayed with something, either in kentucky or en route

poverty goat posted:

What I mean is you can plant a million weed plants and if you keep them healthy and happy they will all produce safe weed with no mystery additives 100% of the time.

if you are personally overseeing the growing, harvesting, treating, transporting and storing of those plants then yes you can guarantee they have no mystery additives. otherwise there are plenty of opportunities for such contaminants to be added. any kind of crop can have issues with various contaminants whether natural or manmade, weed is no different

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Aug 25, 2019

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:36

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

marijuanamancer posted:

its not that simple tho, pesticides are an arms race against bugs and fungi and its an industry

And it's strictly case by case whether your concentrates will remove or concentrate a given pesticide/fungicide

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:39

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

poverty goat posted:

And it's strictly case by case whether your concentrates will remove or concentrate a given pesticide/fungicide

not if you never buy remediated trim

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:40

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

marijuanamancer posted:

not if you never buy remediated trim

That's great but one operation seeing things through from flower to carts in-house with an accountable supply chain end to end is not standard practice across the entire American legal weed industry

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:49

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

poverty goat posted:

That's great but one operation seeing things through from flower to carts in-house with an accountable supply chain end to end is not necessarily standard practice for the American legal weed industry at large

vertical integration? is more common than you think

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:51

Earwicker: Jan 6, 2003

poverty goat posted:

That's great but one operation seeing things through from flower to carts in-house with an accountable supply chain end to end is not standard practice across the entire American legal weed industry

its also not standard practice with actual weed whether legal or illegal. again there are plenty of opportunities for various contaminants to be added to "natural" flower unless you are doing the whole operation yourself

weed from a good dispensary or dealer you trust is, on average, safer than carts. but saying it's "100% guaranteed" to have no additives is some bullshit

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:52

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

In theory that true but I challenge you to source any recent indicence of adulterated flower in america resulting in harm

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:55

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

thats all hearsay. let me see some science pls. informed opines only

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:56

Hell Yeah: Dec 25, 2012

Riot Bimbo posted:

My partner has a major depressive episode when she ceases use. We dont have the budget to smoke all day every day but she can get to a point where she's trying to avoid her crash by staying high,

Anyone else react this way? I need ideas i can forward to her.

I just have cravings and feel moody for a day or two and I'm fine, this depression reaction is really odd, it reminds me of like a molly/stim crash

start growing weed that's the only way

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:57

Earwicker: Jan 6, 2003

poverty goat posted:

In theory that true but I challenge you to source any recent indicence of adulterated flower in america

https://www.planetnatural.com/marijuana-pesticides/ posted:

A spate of surveys in the last few years looking at pesticide residues on marijuana in states where it is legal have produced some disturbing results.

Oregon, which has gone back and forth on testing policies since recreational legalization in 2015, applied strict testing to all marijuana in the state after a survey in The Oregonian/Oregonian Live news outlet found pesticides in nearly all the marijuana concentrates it sampled from products sold to medical patients. In June, 2017, The Oregonian/Oregon Live again sampled products purchased from local retail stores. Three of ten samples showed contamination, even though all carried approval from the state.

Bloomberg surveyed testing results from 900 product failures in Oregon between October, 2016 and July, 2017 and found a host of banned pesticides. Josh Wurzer, president of the cannabis testing company SC Labs, told Bloomberg that his company finds three to four contaminated samples in every ten that they test.

Colorado�s first hint that harmful chemicals were being used on cannabis came in 2012 when a former employee of a medicinal grow facility in Idaho Springs complained to the state about a lack of protective clothing for use when spraying plants. Tests at the facility found Floramite and Avid, both potent miticides not labeled for use on fruits and vegetables let alone cannabis, in the growers product.

Though the outcry was great, the state�s reaction was tempered. Two years of legal recreational pot sales passed in Colorado before state regulators began to sample product. Nearly half of the marijuana tested came back positive for unapproved pesticides. Since then, there�s been a number of pot recalls. The city of Denver actually quarantined one grow site after a routine fire inspection revealed banned pesticides being used indoors. The Denver Post reports that it continued to find banned pesticides on marijuana products, in one case at levels six times higher than Federal government allows on food products.

again, cannabis is a crop. it is no more "natural" than the apples or spinach you buy in a supermarket and subject to the exact same issues. acting like everything is ok because it "comes from nature" is some deeply ignorant hippie nonsense. it's agriculture and thus subject to capitalism and human error as well as various natural issues like molds etc. as well. unless you are growing it yourself and you really know what you are doing nothing is 100% safe.

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Aug 25, 2019

# ? Aug 25, 2019 18:58

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

Good thing I didn't say it was safe because it came from nature, i said nature is good at quality control, perhaps better at it than many manufacturers of aftermarket weed products

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:11

Earwicker: Jan 6, 2003

poverty goat posted:

Good thing I didn't say it was safe because it came from nature, i said nature is good at quality control, perhaps better at it than many manufacturers of aftermarket weed products

what you said is "no mystery additives 100% of the time" which is the part that is complete bullshit unless you are growing it yourself

the quality control of commercial flower is not done by "nature", it's done by humans who are trying to make money

Earwicker fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Aug 25, 2019

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:13

SilvergunSuperman: Aug 7, 2010

poverty goat posted:

Good thing I didn't say it was safe because it came from nature, i said nature is good at quality control, perhaps better at it than many manufacturers of aftermarket weed products

You're really coming across as a prick, why is that?

vv Not you!

SilvergunSuperman fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Aug 25, 2019

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:13

Earwicker: Jan 6, 2003

i guess im in just a bad mood im sorry ill gently caress off. but really though contaminated weed is most definitely a thing

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:14

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

no you're right dont let the people confused between eliquid and vape oil convince you otherwise

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:15

Cough Drop The Beat: Jan 22, 2012; by Lowtax

poverty goat posted:

Reminder that people are literally dying now from retail carts, probably because they're all cut with vegetable oils if not food flavorings for some insane reason (it's unregulated! ) and these things don't belong in your lungs. Don't end up with loving lipid pneumonia on a ventillator because you're too busy to pack your own bowls

All of these unfortunate cases appear to be from e-juice vapes, not THC, and everyone knows that nicotine-based stuff is sketchy as hell and dangerous (just like standard tobacco cigarettes), even without mysterious illnesses sending people to the ER. It has literally nothing to do with weed concentrates that everyone vapes, so I have no idea why you're posting dumbass misinformation in this thread about weed.

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:19

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

marijuanamancer posted:

no you're right dont let the people confused between eliquid and vape oil convince you otherwise

Please call the CDC and let them know that you've solved the mystery and your products are definitely not to blame

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:21

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

All of these unfortunate cases appear to be from e-juice vapes, not THC,

This is not consistent with the latest info from the CDC & if you read any ecig discussion right now they are having the exact mirror opposite conversation about how all the evidence points to weed carts

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:22

Earwicker: Jan 6, 2003

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

All of these unfortunate cases appear to be from e-juice vapes, not THC, and everyone knows that nicotine-based stuff is sketchy as hell and dangerous (just like standard tobacco cigarettes), even without mysterious illnesses sending people to the ER. It has literally nothing to do with weed concentrates that everyone vapes, so I have no idea why you're posting dumbass misinformation in this thread about weed.

to be fair there are in fact cases here in California specifically tied to THC vaping, but they are specifically tied to carts purchased at illegal pop up stores, as far as I know there are no cases associated with carts bought at actual licensed dispensaries

https://www.sfchronicle.com/news/article/Unlicensed-marijuana-vaping-products-eyed-in-20-14369013.php

imo there's just no such thing as a "safe product". whether you or vaping or smoking, whether it's oil or flower, unless it's an operation you are overseeing yourself there are many many opportunities within the supply chain for corners to be cut and for things to become unsafe. that's not specific to weed it applies to literally anything you buy at a store and put in your body

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:23

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

The only thing we know for sure is that this isn't easily attributable to one single product or group of products, so anyone who tells you they know what's to blame and what isn't is full of poo poo

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:32

marijuanamancer: Sep 11, 2001; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

all we know for sure is a bunch of excited new agencies made an epidemic out of 3 ppl

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:37

Hell Yeah: Dec 25, 2012

if people would just smoke big stinky joints all day every day we wouldn't be having this problem.

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:39

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

marijuanamancer posted:

all we know for sure is a bunch of excited new agencies made an epidemic out of 3 ppl

149 people and one corpse

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:51

The_Rob: Feb 1, 2007; Blah blah blah blah!!

poverty goat posted:

149 people and one corpse

Didn�t the cdc thing literally say there hasn�t been any deaths?

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:52

poverty goat: Feb 15, 2004

There was one death reported in the news since that release, but they're a government agency so don't expect them to update it over the weekend

# ? Aug 25, 2019 19:57

PokeJoe: Aug 24, 2004; hail cgatan

There's a WA post article about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/heal...7be4_story.html
(bolding mine)

quote:

He went from hiking enthusiast to �on death�s door� within days. Doctors blamed vaping.

Within days, Alexander Mitchell had gone from being a 20-year-old hiking enthusiast to being kept alive by two machines forcing air into and out of his lungs and oxygenating his blood outside of his body.

�He went from being sick to being on death�s door in literally two days,� recalled his father, Daniel Mitchell, as he struggled to grasp the unthinkable. �The doctor said he was dying. In all honesty, I was preparing to plan a funeral for my child. I wept and wept for this boy.�

Alexander Mitchell�s doctors at a hospital in Payson, Utah, were baffled when the tests came back negative for bacterial pneumonia and a host of common ailments. One exam, though, picked up something unusual � evidence of abnormal immune cells in his lungs � generally associated with a rare, potentially deadly pneumonia seen in older people who accidentally inhale droplets from oil-based laxatives like mineral oil.

A doctor�s hunch would help save Mitchell�s life. The young man�s lungs had failed � he had acute respiratory distress syndrome, a life-threatening and often fatal injury of the lungs. The doctor told the family he suspected the condition was linked to vaping after hearing about similar cases elsewhere. The Provo, Utah, man and his parents had mentioned he used e-cigarettes. But until then, no one had connected the dots. Doctors had him airlifted to the University of Utah hospital in Salt Lake City, 65 miles away, so they could put him on the most advanced life support to keep oxygen flowing and allow his lungs to heal.

Mitchell�s case is among the most serious doctors have seen among the vaping-related lung illnesses now under investigation by state and federal health officials � at least 193 cases in 22 states, many involving teens and young adults. On Friday, Illinois health officials announced the first known death from a vaping-related lung illness in an adult. They declined to provide further details. Meanwhile, state health departments are reporting a growing number of cases.

There are more questions than answers about the lung illnesses and their link to devices that have surged in popularity despite little research on their long-term effects. E-cigarettes were introduced as a way to help smokers quit by satisfying their nicotine cravings without lighting up, but their use is now at epidemic levels among teenagers and young adults.

Those who have fallen ill have vaped different substances, including nicotine, marijuana-based products and do-it-yourself �home brews� over different durations and in different places. Although the cases appear similar, officials from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention caution they don�t know whether the illnesses are associated with the e-cigarette devices themselves or with specific ingredients or contaminants inhaled through them. It isn�t even clear they have a common cause or whether they might be different diseases with similar symptoms.

The severity of some of the illnesses in previously healthy young people has unnerved family members and even some doctors.

�To see patients this sick, this is extremely alarming,� said Sean Callahan, a University of Utah pulmonologist.

Alexander Mitchell thought he had the flu when he woke up earlier this summer with severe nausea, chest pains and trouble breathing. But he deteriorated so quickly that his parents, and then even the doctors, were astonished.

For his parents, the scariest moment may have come when doctors said their son�s lung failure required an additional aggressive life support machine known as ECMO. The machine pumps blood from the patient�s body to an artificial lung that adds oxygen and removes carbon dioxide, replacing the function of the person�s own lungs. The machine then sends the blood back to the patient.

�He had two tubes coming out of him, one was dark crimson red, and the other was bright red,� Daniel Mitchell recalled. �The doctors said a third of his blood was out of his system at any one time.�

If Alexander pulled out his tubes, they warned his parents, �he would be dead in 30 seconds and there was nothing we could do.�

Doctors told the parents he might need a lung transplant if he didn�t show improvement. But after about nine days, the life support machines allowed his lungs to heal. He was able to go home July 7.

The University of Utah doctors who saw Mitchell, in addition to four similar cases this summer, have their own theory about what might be causing the vaping-related illnesses.

They say one culprit may be the liquid, commonly known as vape juice, that is a component of all e-cigarettes. The products vary greatly, but all contain a heating element that produces an aerosol from a liquid that users inhale through a mouthpiece.

The surge in cases may be the result of something recently added to the oils �to dilute or add to them,� said Scott Aberegg, a University of Utah hospital pulmonologist and critical care specialist, who cared for Mitchell and four other patients at his hospital and consulted on two others at another facility.

Some of the patients had vaped for months and years, he said, so if there had been a previous cluster of cases, �we would have recognized it earlier.�

Tracing the vaping liquid back to where it was purchased, however, has been difficult in some cases. Some patients said they bought ingredient-containing cartridges in other states. One patient told doctors he got his cartridges in Las Vegas and it appeared they had been opened, presumably to introduce THC, the main ingredient that produces the mind-altering effects of marijuana, Aberegg said. THC is not legal in Utah.

Vaping liquid may contain nicotine, flavorings, propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin and other ingredients, according to the Food and Drug Administration, which regulates tobacco products, including e-cigarettes.

When the liquid is heated, the resulting aerosol can contain fine and ultrafine toxic particles, including heavy metals, chemicals used for flavoring, such as diacetyl, linked to a serious lung disease known as �popcorn lung,� and volatile organic compounds that can cause long-term health effects, including cancer, according to a 2016 U.S. surgeon general report.

�We don�t know if it�s the propylene glycol or the glycerin or other additives in the vaping liquids put there by the manufacturers, or those things in combination with other adulterants, post manufacturing, when people are adding or mixing them,� Aberegg said.

Some of the Utah patients had milder illnesses than Mitchell�s. But four of the five also had abnormal immune cells in their lung specimens, Aberegg said. Such cells are indicators of a variety of diseases, including a rare condition known as lipoid pneumonia, whose symptoms include chest pain and difficulty breathing � similar to the symptoms of bacterial pneumonia.

Aberegg cautioned that much remains unknown about what causes the abnormal immune cells in those with vaping-related illness.

But �in many of the cases, we have a high level of confidence that what we are dealing with is not just association, but caused by vaping and whatever was within the products,� Aberegg said. The abnormal cells may be a �very important marker of vaping-related pneumonia� and �an important clue to what�s going on.�

Six weeks after he left the hospital, Mitchell has resumed hiking. But with his lung capacity diminished by 25 percent, he doesn�t go for long or as often as he used to. He also struggles with his short-term memory. Doctors say they�re not sure whether he will fully recover.

Doctors say his youth was a crucial factor in his survival. �He was young, otherwise healthy, and in good strong physical condition prior to onset of illness,� said Aberegg, one of about 20 clinicians who treated the young man.

Mitchell said he has little recollection of what happened while he was in the hospital since he was in a medically induced coma for much of the time. But he is stunned that doctors attribute his near-death experience to vaping � a practice he began about two years ago because he wanted to quit conventional cigarettes.

�It�s promoted as healthier,� he said.

Mostly, he said he vaped flavored nicotine products but has used THC a few times with friends, he said. None of them has gotten sick.

In mid-June, Mitchell said he bought a different brand of vape juice � peach menthol flavor � from his regular vape shop and used it with his same e-cigarette device. It was the first time he used a well-known brand. The family did not want to identify it until the FDA investigates further. �It was a brand new box,� Mitchell recalled. Inside, �the bottle had a seal.�

He said he vaped less than usual that time. The next day, he felt sick and began his life-changing medical odyssey.

Adults can make decisions for themselves, Mitchell said. But he said his experience should be a warning about dangers that aren�t spelled out clearly about vaping.

�I didn�t think it would lead to me literally being on my death bed,� he said.

Alice Crites contributed to this report.

Seems like the jury's out so any sweeping statement about what is safe and what isn't is going to be wrong. Sounds like the industry is ripe for some disruptive regulation though.

# ? Aug 25, 2019 20:46

Dr. Heart Collapse: Oct 30, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

let's go to the smoke shop

edit: smoke it to the top

Dr. Heart Collapse fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Aug 25, 2019

# ? Aug 25, 2019 22:01

Mr. Dick: Aug 9, 2019; by Cyrano4747

PokeJoe posted:

Seems like the jury's out so any sweeping statement about what is safe and what isn't is going to be wrong. Sounds like the industry is ripe for some disruptive regulation though.

Get something legalized because it's basically completely benign and then figure out a way to consume it that puts you into the hospital.

Smoke joints.

# ? Aug 25, 2019 22:51

red19fire: May 26, 2010

I think my weed guy is a dumbass. Last time I got purple haze, and this time the stuff was sour green diesel, then he changed his mind and �remembered� it was �Spanish purple haze�. Completely different high. I can feel my blood in my body, my joints moving when I move. Way more aware and energetic than hazy.

# ? Aug 26, 2019 05:07

Hell Yeah: Dec 25, 2012

red19fire posted:

I think my weed guy is a dumbass. Last time I got purple haze, and this time the stuff was sour green diesel, then he changed his mind and �remembered� it was �Spanish purple haze�. Completely different high. I can feel my blood in my body, my joints moving when I move. Way more aware and energetic than hazy.

you're both dumbasses stop listening to him

# ? Aug 26, 2019 05:38

piratepilates: Mar 28, 2004; So I will learn to live with it. Because I can live with it. I can live with it.

hot take: 90% of that strain poo poo is made up and no one really knows what the thing they're growing truly is

(in before "oh but my weed guy...")

# ? Aug 26, 2019 05:42

Hell Yeah: Dec 25, 2012

if you just know a guy and he sells to you then the strain name is a bunch of marketing poo poo basically, just judge the weed on whether you like smoking it or not. spanish purple haze and sour green diesel are made up names and they have nothing to do with purple haze or sour diesel.

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AkumaHokoru: Jul 20, 2007

piratepilates posted:

hot take: 90% of that strain poo poo is made up and no one really knows what the thing they're growing truly is

(in before "oh but my weed guy...")

I mean you could say that or you could say you don't know but growers (not joe blow growing in a bucket) tend to know whats what and can tell you the differences. its when it comes to street weed that things are like that.

# ? Aug 26, 2019 14:51

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