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| Joe Biden, the Klansman |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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578 | 65.76% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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185 | 21.05% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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0 | 0% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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3 | 0.34% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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9 | 1.02% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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4 | 0.46% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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19 | 2.16% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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8 | 0.91% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.11% |
| Just like in real life, nobody voted for Hickenlooper |
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2 | 0.23% |
| Jeffrey Epstein, the MCC Most Hated |
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9 | 1.02% |
| KKKillary KKKlinton |
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16 | 1.82% |
| Some other idiot not in this list |
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9 | 1.02% |
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theblackw0lf posted:Eh, I get the feeling most PSA guys support Warren at this point He has taken seriously the fact that people view Warren as the candidate with plans and seems to be working to counter that narrative
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The Glumslinger posted:He has taken seriously the fact that people view Warren as the candidate with plans and seems to be working to counter that narrative Well some of these plans were probably months in the making. So I imagine it's just taking him a while to get his policy team really up and running. Warren created the strongest policy team in the Senate. So she already had the infrastructure in place to execute one plan after another before entering. Bernie's policy team from what i understand really started shaping up once Faiz entered the picture, so it's just taken longer. But seems he's in a strong position now. Plus his plans have as part of their focus technical changes that aren't sexy, but make a big impact, which impresses me.
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Aug 26, 2019 21:31
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Calibanibal posted:Moreover, this poll isn't moe at all. MoE polls. MoE Problems.
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Aug 26, 2019 21:35
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theblackw0lf posted:Eh, I get the feeling most PSA guys support Warren at this point They're firmly in the Harris and Buttigieg camps.
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Aug 26, 2019 21:37
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It’s official, Tim Ryan is the first Waluigi candidate. https://twitter.com/timryan/status/1164687075385446402?s=21
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Aug 26, 2019 21:37
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Mahoning posted:Right, and while those are all valuable things to look at, if the first thing the person doing the grading scale does when a poll comes out is say "don't trust it, look at the sample size and factor in the margin of error" then maybe it's NOT one of the best polls, no? Or maybe their chronic under-sampling should be factored into their grade? 5.8% MoE is not that high. It's common to see 4-6% MoE in political polls (outside of polls that do enormous online panels like Yougov and Rasmussen, which have their own issues). Obviously lower MoE is better, but at the end of the day every poll represents a single data point. You shouldn't stake your life (or make broad conclusions) on a single 5.8% MoE poll or a 3% MoE poll for that matter.
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Aug 26, 2019 21:38
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was it this flub: https://twitter.com/flglmn/status/1166090581845729282
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Aug 26, 2019 22:01
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Polls are very instructive in the sense that the way that Nate, the PSA guys, the economist guy, etc. have all reacted wildly different to polls that have Sanders going down a point or two versus going up 6 points.theblackw0lf posted:Well some of these plans were probably months in the making. So I imagine it's just taking him a while to get his policy team really up and running. This is part of a narrative that isn't really true. Bernie's team and Bernie's proposals have long been more accomplished and comprehensive that Warren's, narrative aside. Bernie's team includes, and has included for a while, people like Stephanie Kelton and Heather Gautney, who are also distinguished academically. A lot of the plans Warren gets credit for are actually Bernie's stuff. The idea of Bernie catching up is based on a false narrative to begin with. Bernie's proposals regarding M4A, financial transactions tax, housing, employee participation in corporate boards have exited long before he ever ran for president. Warren's "plans," for the most part, are either instances of her signing on as a co-sponsor on Bernie's bills (M4A, worker representation on corporate boards), her coming up with a diluted version of what Bernie has done (her housing bill is essentially about funding the National Housing Trust Fund, which is a policy idea that was introduced for the first time in the house by Bernie in 2001), or things that exist solely as undetailed medium posts (her wealth tax). Bernie has detailed bills while Warren has medium posts, and the narrative that Warren is the one with the plans is about as serious and honest as the one about Bernie slipping in the polls.
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Aug 26, 2019 22:38
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joepinetree posted:Polls are very instructive in the sense that the way that Nate, the PSA guys, the economist guy, etc. have all reacted wildly different to polls that have Sanders going down a point or two versus going up 6 points. Yeah the correct response to anyone waving a single poll at you is "don't jump to conclusions, put it on the pile with the others and watch the trend". If it's an outlier, the trend won't change much. If it's a leading indicator then the average will shift toward the new paradigm as more data comes in. This is always Nate's advice, but suddenly when a single poll shows Bernie ahead of Biden he loses it and starts trying to rationalize why it can't possibly be true. They're all shook. Wait for a Bernie Sanders version of Donald Trump's Six Stages of Doom
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Aug 26, 2019 22:55
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joepinetree posted:Polls are very instructive in the sense that the way that Nate, the PSA guys, the economist guy, etc. have all reacted wildly different to polls that have Sanders going down a point or two versus going up 6 points. Yeah, and Bernie needed to change that narrative, whether it was true or not. Whining “the media isn’t faaaaair, my plans are better!” is not the way to do that. Fortunately Bernie’s campaign doesn’t take advice from this thread, and what he has been doing is awesome and it’s working.
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Aug 26, 2019 23:16
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Mellow Seas posted:Yeah, and Bernie needed to change that narrative, whether it was true or not. Whining “the media isn’t faaaaair, my plans are better!” is not the way to do that. Fortunately Bernie’s campaign doesn’t take advice from this thread, and what he has been doing is awesome and it’s working. Where did anyone suggest Sanders should whine?
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Aug 26, 2019 23:20
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Trabisnikof posted:Where did anyone suggest Sanders should whine? I suppose I should’ve said “follow the example of” rather than “take advice from”.
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Aug 26, 2019 23:23
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Mellow Seas posted:I suppose I should’ve said “follow the example of” rather than “take advice from”. Is there a way we can post about the media bias against bernie’s plans without you calling it whining?
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Aug 26, 2019 23:25
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AsInHowe posted:They're firmly in the Harris and Buttigieg camps. They're not at all. e: ^^^^^ people in this thread literally say poo poo like "if a poll doesn't show Bernie ahead don't trust it". What the hell are we supposed to make of that?
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Aug 26, 2019 23:34
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Trabisnikof posted:Is there a way we can post about the media bias against bernie’s plans without you calling it whining? Hmm... honestly? Avoiding repetition. A lot of the problem I have here is people repeating tropes (Warren’s plans aren’t as good! Warren’s a Republican!) endlessly. Meanwhile, the media’s bias against Bernie is so pronounced and unmistakable that... I don’t know, it feels unnecessary and/or gratuitous to harp on specific elements of it. I’ve never accused anyone of “whining” before today so I guess probably just continue apace, and you should be spared my whine-accusations. I wouldn’t presume to police the thread’s content; it’s just a stray observation.
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Aug 26, 2019 23:36
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How are u posted:They're not at all. Well, who do they actually support? I don't listen to the show so I genuinely have no idea.
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Aug 26, 2019 23:36
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How are u posted:They're not at all. You outright lied to support Warren soooooo
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Aug 26, 2019 23:38
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Vox Nihili posted:Well, who do they actually support? I don't listen to the show so I genuinely have no idea. Since the primary began they've had a policy of wanting to be a platform for any and all candidates. They're playing it as neutral as they can. They've had every single candidate (except Joe) on to talk about policies, plans, and Trump. Some multiple times (like Beto the week of the El Paso shooting, just to talk about that). It took them forever to get Bernie on because I imagine his campaign was wary, but they had a great conversation and were not hostile to him in the slightest. Feel free to listen to the episode yourself. When they go and do live shows across the country you can kind of gauge what the PSA crowd thinks of candidates by the audience reactions. Lately Warren is the one who has been getting the biggest cheers, but the hosts don't lean into or cheerlead for anyone. e: actually they've definitely shat on some of the 1% candidates like Delaney and co. The downside of this is their infuriating respect for Joe Biden, but I do understand that since the guys spent like years and years working with him and knowing him personally through the Obama admin. They criticize Joe's positions and his campaign's strategy plenty. They sound kinda sad that he's scuffing his legacy and reputation by doing so without having a real Reason to Run, IMO. tl;dr they are trying to be as wide a platform as possible for as many candidates as want to come on. They see themselves as part of the progressive media, not stans for a particular candidate, at least at this point in time. They have, consistently, stated that the best candidates need to have a compelling reason to run and bold ideas that meet this moment in history. They've criticized Joe and people like Klob and Gillibrand for failing in those regards. How are u fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Aug 26, 2019 |
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Aug 26, 2019 23:45
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Trabisnikof posted:Is there a way we can post about the media bias against bernie’s plans without you calling it whining? dont worry about it, its his gimmick
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Aug 26, 2019 23:48
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Mellow Seas posted:Hmm... honestly? Avoiding repetition. A lot of the problem I have here is people repeating tropes (Warren’s plans aren’t as good! Warren’s a Republican!) endlessly. Meanwhile, the media’s bias against Bernie is so pronounced and unmistakable that... I don’t know, it feels unnecessary and/or gratuitous to harp on specific elements of it. Be brave Mellow Seas!! We value your judgement. This thread needs some policing
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Aug 26, 2019 23:51
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How are u posted:Some multiple times (like Beto the week of the El Paso shooting, just to talk about that) That reminds me, did Beto ever formally relaunch his campaign for the second time like he said he would after the shooting? I remember some people thinking he was going to use the shooting to go back to Texas and run for the Senate instead of doubling down on the presidency.
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Aug 26, 2019 23:52
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The Muppets On PCP posted:yougov had a poll in field at the same time with similar results, more than twice the sample size, and an unweighted sample pretty close to the 2016 primary electorate there's been a pretty big divergence lately between some of the big LV polls like YouGov versus the various RV polls that almost unanimously have biden in double digit leads. that's part of why the monmouth one today was surprising, it's way different than every other recent RV poll, but in previous months it's been right in the middle of them (so it's not like they have some weird method that leads them to tend towards being outliers). eke out fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Aug 26, 2019 |
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Aug 26, 2019 23:54
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It's international dog day and yet somehow Bernie managed to post a picture of a dog on his Instagram while Warren can't even be bothered to post a picture of her own dog. Shameful.
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Aug 26, 2019 23:57
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Mellow Seas posted:Hmm... honestly? Avoiding repetition. A lot of the problem I have here is people repeating tropes (Warren’s plans aren’t as good! Warren’s a Republican!) endlessly. Meanwhile, the media’s bias against Bernie is so pronounced and unmistakable that... I don’t know, it feels unnecessary and/or gratuitous to harp on specific elements of it. You've never posted anything of substance and your hundreds of posts in primary threads all boil down to trying to be thread police. eke out posted:there's been a pretty big divergence lately between some of the big LV polls like YouGov versus the various RV polls that almost unanimously have biden in double digit leads. Yougov has both lv and RV results.
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Aug 27, 2019 00:05
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You are starting to suck Liz https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1165977155232239616?s=20
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Aug 27, 2019 00:09
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overmind2000 posted:That reminds me, did Beto ever formally relaunch his campaign for the second time like he said he would after the shooting? I remember some people thinking he was going to use the shooting to go back to Texas and run for the Senate instead of doubling down on the presidency. He did he’s now polling with Marianne.
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Aug 27, 2019 00:11
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Luckyellow posted:It's international dog day and yet somehow Bernie managed to post a picture of a dog on his Instagram while Warren can't even be bothered to post a picture of her own dog. Shameful. I'm voting for Bernie, because he has the good sense not to fake post messages from his dog.
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Aug 27, 2019 00:11
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Nonsense posted:You are starting to suck Liz Oh please, like Bernie's approach of basically ranting into a payphone a la The Matrix is much better? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTL4qIIxg8A
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Aug 27, 2019 00:14
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What is this "Bernie doesn't' whine about media bias" stuff, have you seen Bernie handle these gotcha interviews, he calls out bias from the interviewers every drat time and it owns.
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Aug 27, 2019 00:15
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VitalSigns posted:What is this "Bernie doesn't' whine about media bias" stuff, have you seen Bernie handle these gotcha interviews, he calls out bias from the interviewers every drat time and it owns. also he's coming after them too https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1166097136913547265
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Aug 27, 2019 00:37
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The Muppets On PCP posted:also he's coming after them too Yeah the meat of his plans are very good and this is yet another topic where Sanders stands out as the only candidate with a plan for big, structural structural changes. quote:WHEN I AM PRESIDENT, MY ADMINISTRATION will put in place policies that will reform the media industry and better protect independent journalism at both the local and national levels.
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Aug 27, 2019 00:42
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The Muppets On PCP posted:also he's coming after them too This is pretty on the nose, it's absolutely insane how much vulture capital has been killing my industry.
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Aug 27, 2019 00:47
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But considering that every single obnoxious #stillwithher #neverbernie loser you've encountered on twitter has a closet full of "friend of the pod" tees, the PSA guys avoid the bernie bashing that most of their audience is probably begging for. Maybe they're just cynically covering their asses in case he pulls it of, but they are not as bad re: bernie as people think. They are annoying nerds that boost cheesy centrist ideas and people, but they hardly deserve to be the faces of the neolib class when there are many many other outlets to be mad at. For example NPR is much worse from a Bernie supporter's perspective.
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Aug 27, 2019 00:51
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How are u posted:Since the primary began they've had a policy of wanting to be a platform for any and all candidates. They're playing it as neutral as they can. They've had every single candidate (except Joe) on to talk about policies, plans, and Trump. Some multiple times (like Beto the week of the El Paso shooting, just to talk about that). It took them forever to get Bernie on because I imagine his campaign was wary, but they had a great conversation and were not hostile to him in the slightest. Feel free to listen to the episode yourself. which is why jon #147 advised warren that taking the dna test was cool and good, and it's also why they're all executive producers on the beto o'rourke hbo special they're just like trying to be neutral, man
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Aug 27, 2019 00:52
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life is a joke posted:But considering that every single obnoxious #stillwithher #neverbernie loser you've encountered on twitter has a closet full of "friend of the pod" tees, the PSA guys avoid the bernie bashing that most of their audience is probably begging for. Maybe they're just cynically covering their asses in case he pulls it of, but they are not as bad re: bernie as people think. They are annoying nerds that boost cheesy centrist ideas and people, but they hardly deserve to be the faces of the neolib class when there are many many other outlets to be mad at. NPR didn't even mention Sanders in any story piece for months until they decided to compare him to Trump when he dared insinuate the Washington Post might be kinda biased.
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Aug 27, 2019 00:56
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Aug 27, 2019 01:08
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Phone posted:which is why jon #147 advised warren that taking the dna test was cool and good, and it's also why they're all executive producers on the beto o'rourke hbo special  As a supporter of Bernie and Warren I listen to the shows and that's my take. I am guessing you don't listen to any of them? How are u fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Aug 27, 2019 |
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Aug 27, 2019 01:09
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Legit disappointed that corn cob isn't larger
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Aug 27, 2019 01:13
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How are u posted:
is peter strzok a household name yet
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If you’re a “serious” candidate and polling around or below Yang, maybe 2020 is not for you?
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