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managing who can see your posts is important for sure, but i feel like that's orthogonal to the whole "horrible people are empowered to spread hate and propaganda" issue the larger networks are dealing with
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# ? Aug 24, 2019 20:43 |
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Schadenboner posted:Like, the circles thing was really good? that was pretty much the long & short of it. If you wanted to talk to every stranger possible, you could. If you never wanted to see a post by someone you didn't specifically whitelist, you could do that, and do so in a simple, straightforward, understandable way. infernal machines posted:managing who can see your posts is important for sure, but i feel like that's orthogonal to the whole "horrible people are empowered to spread hate and propaganda" issue the larger networks are dealing with You can't spread propaganda to people when they can't see it.
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# ? Aug 25, 2019 00:30 |
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the circles thing was good except you couldn’t have your own circle of identities so you’d have to juggle multiple accounts if you wanted to shitpost semi anonymously
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# ? Aug 25, 2019 01:08 |
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social network that effectively blocks spread of viral content turns out to be unpopular. hmm...
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# ? Aug 25, 2019 16:06 |
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the weird thing is that google actually fundamentally understood human interaction better than twitter or facebook, which is pretty loving amazing in a couple of ways.
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 04:44 |
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even playing darts blindfolded, someone is always closest to bullseye
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 04:48 |
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rotor posted:the weird thing is that google actually fundamentally understood human interaction better than twitter or facebook, which is pretty loving amazing in a couple of ways. um no they didnt they made google buzz first which was opt out and connected you automatically to everyone you ever emailed the only reason g+ had any of the controls it did was because buzz didnt have any at all and everyone pointed out exactly what controls a social network should have
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 04:53 |
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LastInLine posted:um no they didnt they made google buzz first which was opt out and connected you automatically to everyone you ever emailed so i guess google is better at listening to user feedback? still pretty weird imo
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 05:03 |
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in the case of buzz that "user feedback" came in the form of an ftc consent decree
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 05:06 |
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i dont remember anything about buzz
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 05:07 |
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they also had orkut which was a fun little thing for a bit until literally every group had people spamming it in all caps portugese every 20 seconds
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 05:09 |
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qirex posted:they also had orkut which was a fun little thing for a bit until literally every group had people spamming it in all caps portugese every 20 seconds lol
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 06:30 |
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it was also invite only for so long that it was already dead when they opened it
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 06:30 |
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rotor posted:the weird thing is that google actually fundamentally understood human interaction better than twitter or facebook, which is pretty loving amazing in a couple of ways. that's because they have all that ad data so they know how you connect already.
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 14:35 |
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Shaggar posted:that's because they have all that ad data so they know how you connect already. this is why I never understood the need for a single identity in plus, google knows behind the scenes who you actually are and can show you the correct ads so why force someone into a single public facing identity?
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 16:26 |
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I think that's mostly to encourage people not on the platform to join with as much real info as possible. they also probably don't want to promote a network of people anonymous to each other since it leads to discussions that are less relevant to advertisers.
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 16:49 |
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qirex posted:this is why I never understood the need for a single identity in plus, google knows behind the scenes who you actually are and can show you the correct ads so why force someone into a single public facing identity? google was jealous. they were doing a ton of work trying to track and correlate users across sites, and here comes Facebook and people will just *give* them all the information they want. age, religion, relationship status, education level, and a whole network of relations. things that had to be algorithmically guessed using big data was just there, freely offered. Facebook spends less money on traffic acquisition and gets paid more for their ads.
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 17:08 |
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qirex posted:this is why I never understood the need for a single identity in plus, google knows behind the scenes who you actually are and can show you the correct ads so why force someone into a single public facing identity? I'm not sure this is true, at least in practice. I've got several goog accounts and I see very little bleedover of ad subjects.
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 17:44 |
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they keep it specific to the signed in user, but its definitely tracking that you use both identities and then correlating them across devices
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 17:47 |
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today on my way to work i was driving behind a van for some home repair contractor that had a big "find us on g+ !" on the back
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 18:33 |
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i read on this website that circles was used to coordinate harassment without being visible to the victims.
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 20:23 |
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The Management posted:google was jealous. they were doing a ton of work trying to track and correlate users across sites, and here comes Facebook and people will just *give* them all the information they want. age, religion, relationship status, education level, and a whole network of relations. things that had to be algorithmically guessed using big data was just there, freely offered. Facebook spends less money on traffic acquisition and gets paid more for their ads. 💯% correct. The fact that when you hit google.com rn for a web search you're probably logged is the reason google didn't care at all the fb feed style frontend died.
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 21:18 |
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that leads to more questions than it answers. why even do all of the poo poo that made users revolt when they couldve just rolled out single sign in for google stuff and ignored the social media aspect of it all? i mean i know the answer is vic but ive always had the same opinion as qirex on the matter which is that google couldve gotten everything they wanted and avoided all of the backlash by simply unifying their logins and changing their eulas and not doing everything else that was hated so vociferously. i intellectually understand their reasoning for doing what they did but its so hard to actually believe in them misunderstanding human nature so fundamentally in practice when it was so obvious not just in hindsight but at the time
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# ? Aug 26, 2019 22:43 |
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LastInLine posted:i mean i know the answer is vic but ive always had the same opinion as qirex on the matter which is that google couldve gotten everything they wanted and avoided all of the backlash by simply unifying their logins and changing their eulas and not doing everything else that was hated so vociferously. i intellectually understand their reasoning for doing what they did but its so hard to actually believe in them misunderstanding human nature so fundamentally in practice when it was so obvious not just in hindsight but at the time
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 05:31 |
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qirex posted:I'd guess a healthy dose of misguided libertarian utopian valley thinking was involved, like "well these anonymous systems have awful trolls, maybe people will behave when it's their real names" but oh look instead they're celebrities now youll never convince me a libertarian has ever wanted to solve any problem that wasnt "i dont have enough money"
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 06:16 |
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LastInLine posted:youll never convince me a libertarian has ever wanted to solve any problem that wasnt "i dont have enough money" libertarians (the poor kind, not the rich assholes) are naive morons. the kind of people that believe that magically everything would be better if we replaced firemen and food inspectors with corporations are also the kind that believe unfiltered free speech will make society better.
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 06:23 |
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LastInLine posted:youll never convince me a libertarian has ever wanted to solve any problem that wasnt "i dont have enough money" nah a lot of them are like “more freedom = better than under all circumstances” they tend to be the kinds of weirdos who like to complain that the lunch line in the cafeteria isn’t perfectly optimized
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 06:32 |
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scroogled again
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 12:18 |
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google+ forcing that youtube bait & switch along with all the other secfucks was what finally killed my opinion of them for good. that’s my story thanks for reading
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 12:21 |
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Cold on a Cob posted:scroogled again
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 12:22 |
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qirex posted:nah a lot of them are like “more freedom = better than under all circumstances” you don't need to talk around it, we know libertarians are all pedophiles
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 16:46 |
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Jenny Agutter posted:you don't need to talk around it, we know libertarians are all pedophiles let's be fair, some of them are merely druggie gun humpers who explicitly tolerate pedophiles
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 16:59 |
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The Management posted:libertarians (the poor kind, not the rich assholes) are naive morons. the kind of people that believe that magically everything would be better if we replaced firemen and food inspectors with corporations are also the kind that believe unfiltered free speech will make society better. it's basically a position of no thought where you take it as axiomatic that more freedom is always the answer to every problem and then you can turn your brain off the rest of the day and just coast and frankly i can see the attraction.
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 18:13 |
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hell yeah turn your brain all the way off, at any age. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4602730/you-sell-heroin-5-year-old-boos
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# ? Aug 27, 2019 18:15 |
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rotor posted:it's basically a position of no thought where you take it as axiomatic that more freedom is always the answer to every problem and then you can turn your brain off the rest of the day and just coast and frankly i can see the attraction. same but free software
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# ? Aug 28, 2019 04:01 |
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The Management posted:same but free software oh man i got some reckons wrt that let me tell u what
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# ? Aug 28, 2019 04:37 |
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The Management posted:same but free software
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# ? Aug 28, 2019 06:50 |
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while google plus is dead, google executives continue to make their own circles, such as ones for their family, ones for the subordinates they’re loving, and ones for their other secret family. take the most recent example, one David Drummond, senior vice president and chief legal officer of alphabet. he started dating a woman who worked for him, had a child with her, and then had her transferred out of his department, ghosted her, denied child support, and started sleeping with another employee. oh, he’s also married with kids. again, he is the top lawyer in the company. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...affair-policies this follows the examples of known sleaze-bags Erik Schmidt (sex-dungeon owner and burning-man creep), Andy Rubin (wife swapper fired for harassment), and Sergei Brin (intern fucker).
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# ? Sep 1, 2019 14:35 |
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gooplus was a good time. I was syntaxrigger in those times.
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# ? Sep 2, 2019 03:14 |
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I honestly miss it because maybe 12 of us could talk to each other without seeing bullshit from other people.
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