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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Question 1: has there been an announcer in the past 20 years who is as bad as Corey Graves? 1. Yes, mike Adamle, Percy watson (got more tolerable just before he left) the coach, booker t, beth phoenix, renee young (who was amazing in her previous role and didn't need this switch) 2. Its pretty good i think the fact seth came off fighting corbin in horrible mains for two/three months and most of the rest of the card being meh made it look even better.
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how do you go through that list and forget david otunga
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:What's the worst wrestling gimmick you've ever seen? That fat oily guy(s) in a g string, that both TNA and WWE felt the need to have at the same time. It did lead to that great gif of Sandman spitting beer everywhere though. Ganso Bomb posted:I have that memory so clearly stored in my brain and I don't understand why. I only know of it from one of the first Botchomania videos I watched. But it's stuck with me that I knew exactly what was being talked about.
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The Croc posted:1. Yes, mike Adamle, Percy watson (got more tolerable just before he left) the coach, booker t, beth phoenix, renee young (who was amazing in her previous role and didn't need this switch) Was Don West's TNA run within the last 20 years? Christ, he was awful.
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Question 1: has there been an announcer in the past 20 years who is as bad as Corey Graves? Heel-Cole, not even close. Graves is irritating and makes shows worse but heel-Cole made the entire product unwatchable for nearly a full year
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CombineThresher posted:Was Don West's TNA run within the last 20 years? Christ, he was awful. IMO Don gets some degree of clemency because of his genuine enthusiasm
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:What's the worst wrestling gimmick you've ever seen?
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Ziggy Tzardust posted:Heel-Cole, not even close. Graves is irritating and makes shows worse but heel-Cole made the entire product unwatchable for nearly a full year I had erased heel cole from my memory and now you bring it back probate that man!
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Aug 27, 2019 02:51
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:What's the worst wrestling gimmick you've ever seen? shane and stephanie just, their entire existence for the last, i'll say 10 years, because i still look back on 99-01 shane semi-fondly and i wasn't watching between 02-06 so i have no real idea how bad they were week to week in those years
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Alex Marvez is worse than Corey Graves because he's presumably doing that bad a job without Vince screaming what to say in his headset
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Question 1: has there been an announcer in the past 20 years who is as bad as Corey Graves? Matt Striker
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Breitbart Is Rightbart posted:Question 1: has there been an announcer in the past 20 years who is as bad as Corey Graves? Cole, Tazz(but only in TNA), Juvi
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Aug 27, 2019 04:54
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Graves was a pretty good announcer in NXT, don't know what happened to him (Vince happened to him)
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:What's the worst wrestling gimmick you've ever seen? Worst to me is TNAs bisexual Orlando Jordan because there was nothing in it to even harken back to exotico or the old effeminate gimmicks of Adrian Adonis or Goldust to just being horrifying (though going back and seeing old Goldust stuff is horrifying to between the comments of "human being" and "queer"). Much more obscure but i will never forget ot - in the early 2000s when every indie was trying to be an edgy ECW knockoff (most famously CZW and XPW) one of them had a wrestler and a valet. I have no memory of the wrestlers name but the valet was like Lacey von Erich or Katie von Erich but not a real von Erich. The gimmick was during the matches the wrestler had to run to ringside repeatedly to stop her from self harming and attempting suicide.
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Did I hallucinate it or did Stokely Hathaway have a gimmick in Ring of Honor managing Moose and no one knowing his name? It might have been someone else but I feel like I didn’t invent this whole cloth.
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I've only seen that one match last year from him, but Holocausto has to be in the worst gimmick discussion.El Gallinero Gros posted:IMO Don gets some degree of clemency because of his genuine enthusiasm
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Booker T on commentary was great if only for his reaction to Lawler’s reported “anal bleeding”.
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Booker T is entertaining train wreck bad, not so dull they contribute literally nothing bad (Otunga, Marvez, Beth Phoenix) or actively hostile to the viewer bad (heel Cole, JBL, Graves)
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1. Are there any referees that are like NJPW's Red Shoes, in that they are their own character and not some faceless official? 2. What are the best matches with special guest referees?
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jesus WEP posted:Booker T is entertaining train wreck bad, not so dull they contribute literally nothing bad (Otunga, Marvez, Beth Phoenix) or actively hostile to the viewer bad (heel Cole, JBL, Graves) Jibbles was alright before they neutered him, imo. Can't have heels be entertaining
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Schneider Heim posted:
Hart/Austin, WM13, with special ref Ken Shamrock aka the best Wrestlemania match of all time, and probably the best match in company history
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Schneider Heim posted:1. Are there any referees that are like NJPW's Red Shoes, in that they are their own character and not some faceless official? The one's that come to mind are Bryce Remsburg, who can make every match about himself, and PWG's Rick Knox, who had a blood feud with the Young Bucks despite never wrestling them. I'm sure there's some in Mexico as well but that's a giant blind spot for me
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Schneider Heim posted:1. Are there any referees that are like NJPW's Red Shoes, in that they are their own character and not some faceless official? Chris Roberts (the senior ref in RevPro until a few weeks ago) always displays a lot of personality in matches and tries to be actively involved. I think he's heading to NXT UK so not sure if he'll be allowed to do that there
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Aug 27, 2019 11:47
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Schneider Heim posted:1. Are there any referees that are like NJPW's Red Shoes, in that they are their own character and not some faceless official? The Hebner Twins were used for angles. Lil' Naitch probably fits here. Tim White had the infamous suicide angle, though that was after he was an active referee. Crooked referee Danny Davis nWo ref Nick Patrick
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SG Bamboo posted:I'm sure there's some in Mexico as well but that's a giant blind spot for me AAA had El Hijo del Tirantes, whose father kind of defined the heel lucha ref schtick. Hijo is doing the same act. CMLL is most notable for having a stable of decrepit refs who do their best to ruin matches whenever possible. There’s one ref who’s actually good there - Edgar Noriega. He shows a little personality but honestly just looks great compared to almost any other referee they use.
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Nick Patrick seemed like he sucked rear end. Did he suck as much rear end as the few clips of WCW I've watched make him out to be? Like disregarding the nWo stuff he just seemed like a really bad ref. I hate the way he would slap the mat for a pin count.
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Aug 27, 2019 12:41
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There was also the period a few years ago in WWE where Brad Armstrong was the official crooked Authority referee for months
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TriffTshngo posted:Nick Patrick seemed like he sucked rear end. Did he suck as much rear end as the few clips of WCW I've watched make him out to be? Like disregarding the nWo stuff he just seemed like a really bad ref. I hate the way he would slap the mat for a pin count. Nick Patrick was not particularly good and he ruined the Sting-Hogan blow off by doing a shoot slow count. Lil Naitch is wonderful.
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karmicknight posted:Did I hallucinate it or did Stokely Hathaway have a gimmick in Ring of Honor managing Moose and no one knowing his name? It might have been someone else but I feel like I didn’t invent this whole cloth. When he was doing #THENEWSTREAK gimmick with The Marching Band Guy From CHIKARA this was his gimmick. Corino would state he thought his name was Ramon.
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In the 80s, New Japan had a referee named Kotetsu Yamamoto, a retired wrestler who would pull people by the hair to get them to break holds in the ropes, and would completely no-sell anything a wrestler tried to do to him. He ruled.
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projecthalaxy posted:There was also the period a few years ago in WWE where Brad Armstrong was the official crooked Authority referee for months Scott Armstrong, not his brother
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Punch McLightning posted:Nick Patrick was not particularly good and he ruined the Sting-Hogan blow off by doing a shoot slow count. He was too tall too. Towered over people. Naitch is great, referees and managers should be as short as possible.
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Takuan posted:In the 80s, New Japan had a referee named Kotetsu Yamamoto, a retired wrestler who would pull people by the hair to get them to break holds in the ropes, and would completely no-sell anything a wrestler tried to do to him. He ruled. Anytime a ref fights back against a heel is great. There was a HHH match with Hebner where he gave back to HHH as good as he got. Has WWE done that much since those days?
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Lid posted:Worst to me is TNAs bisexual Orlando Jordan because there was nothing in it to even harken back to exotico or the old effeminate gimmicks of Adrian Adonis or Goldust to just being horrifying (though going back and seeing old Goldust stuff is horrifying to between the comments of "human being" and "queer"). He's really only remembered for botching a basic rope-crotch spot in a match with DDP. I don't know why they thought it was a good idea. Turner had a distribution deal with Columbia at the time, which might have played a role.
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Aug 27, 2019 14:41
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Schneider Heim posted:1. Are there any referees that are like NJPW's Red Shoes, in that they are their own character and not some faceless official? LEGO Ref in the early 90s
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Gearl Hebner because shes just really loving good at being a ref and takes no poo poo from mountain sized dudes
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Halloween Jack posted:If we're talking tasteless and offensive gimmicks, WCW gave Emory Hale a gimmick as The Machine, which was based on the bodybuilder rapist-murderer from 8mm. This is still my all time favorite botch.
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Schneider Heim posted:1. Are there any referees that are like NJPW's Red Shoes, in that they are their own character and not some faceless official? AJPW's Kyohei Wada is a grouchy old man and had a feud with their ace Kento Miyahara where they keep getting in each others' faces, particularly when Kento does dumb spot where he pulls his opponent's face into the ring post and Kyohei pulls his hair to make him stop. He let Tanahashi do the honours instead when they wrestled in a tag match at Sumo Hall earlier this year. OZ Academy's Mio Shirai (sister of Io) is part of the stable the promotion's top heel and owner, Mayumi Ozaki runs and usually gets involved in comedy antics trying to screw over Seiki-gun's opponents.
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