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Is Gruden, dare i say it, competent at this?
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Aug 22, 2019 07:09
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He really seems to loving hate both backup QBs and I'm surprised he doesn't bring someone else in at this point. Or Gruden is really learning from Tom Moore: https://twitter.com/pff_sam/status/197235934272552960?lang=en If the backup needs to take real snaps, just call it a loving season.
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Aug 22, 2019 07:11
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There is a pretty recent and relevant counterexample to that Tom Moore quote! Though I'm not gonna sit here and say the 2019 Raiders minus Carr are remotely on the same level as the Super Bowl Eagles were with Foles.
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Aug 22, 2019 07:18
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Docjowles posted:There is a pretty recent and relevant counterexample to that Tom Moore quote! Though I'm not gonna sit here and say the 2019 Raiders minus Carr are remotely on the same level as the Super Bowl Eagles were with Foles. Are we comparing Nick Foles to Peyton Manning now? The better counter-example is all of Brady's backups. You would think Tom Brady going down would doom a team, but Bill just plugs in some random dude from the street and they'll still win 75% of their games.
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Aug 22, 2019 12:58
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Is Gruden, dare i say it, competent at this? Let's see him end a season with a winning record before we get carried away here.
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Aug 22, 2019 13:26
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Well the comparison would be Wentz, not Foles, as he is the starter. And he’s not Manning but he was on pace for the MVP that year before he died. Also Foles has Manning and everyone else beat in the only stat that matters 
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Aug 22, 2019 13:32
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Penis size?
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Aug 22, 2019 13:56
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LabyaMynora posted:Let's see him end a season with a winning record before we get carried away here. He's entertaining, you gotta give him that.
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Aug 22, 2019 15:06
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I still dont feel that Gruden is worthwhile. Again, seems like a cool dude that I'd wanna hang out with but as a coach? Ehhhhhh...
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Aug 22, 2019 20:02
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Compared to Philbin I’d take a bullet for Gruden
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Aug 22, 2019 20:10
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Gruden fuckin owns and the playcalling has vastly improved
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Aug 22, 2019 20:31
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Gruden has never been a bad coach. He got run from Tampa because of his disdain for developing young players. The ideal Gruden guy is in his 30s and the ideal Gruden quarterback is a 35 year old career backup. He deems normal now, but next year when Raiders have Drew Stanton or Kellen Clemens starting it will make sense why his contract is such a joke
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Aug 23, 2019 03:11
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Gruden got run out of Tampa because his good defensive coordinator left mid-season causing a collapse
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Aug 23, 2019 05:29
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everything I've read points to Gruden being handed a free superbowl via having a ready made playoff team thanks to Tony Dungy and the raiders being too dumb to change signals and poo poo from the previous season when he was their coach so he knew what they were doing
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Aug 23, 2019 10:17
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Fat Jesus posted:everything I've read points to Gruden being handed a free superbowl via having a ready made playoff team thanks to Tony Dungy and the raiders being too dumb to change signals and poo poo from the previous season when he was their coach so he knew what they were doing This is 100% accurate, still won the Super Bowl tho.
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Aug 23, 2019 13:34
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I mean, I still think it's impressive that his formerly coached team made it to the super bowl using his offense despite noted moron Bill Callahan
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Aug 23, 2019 14:02
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Blitz7x posted:I mean, I still think it's impressive that his formerly coached team made it to the super bowl using his offense despite noted moron Bill Callahan Funny thing about Callahan (well, one of) is that he’s one of the most respected OL coaches of all time. Peter principle in action
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Aug 23, 2019 18:30
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Living in Tampa, and not being a Bucs fan, I always though Gruden was massively overrated. This was only backed up when I started listening to the local AM station that had a former Bucs player as cohost who constantly mentioned how none of the former players liked Gruden. But he hooked me with the opening speech about Nightmares and I’ve really changed my opinion on him. He’s definitely the best coach of a Hard Knocks team that I’ve seen (I haven’t seen either Ravens season). As much as I used to discount his ring, I think it’s tough to give Dungy credit for the Bucs while not giving Gruden credit for his old team being there. I still think the Bucs win if Gruden is coaching the Raiders in that game but it wouldn’t have been the cakewalk it turned in to.
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Aug 24, 2019 03:44
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TheBizzness posted:He’s definitely the best coach of a Hard Knocks team that I’ve seen. Damning with faint praise. Are any of the former Hard Knocks head coaches still head coaches?
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Aug 24, 2019 05:00
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LabyaMynora posted:Are any of the former Hard Knocks head coaches still head coaches? Bill O'Brien. You asked this slightly too late to have two time Hard Knocks coach Marvin Lewis be an answer. I think BoB is the only one?
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Aug 24, 2019 05:07
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BOB
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Aug 24, 2019 05:07
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Gruden is likeable and seems to build good rapport with his players. But I don't think he really seems to be all too good at actual gameplans besides poo poo like "we gotta be prepared and physical and tough and punch them in the mouth" and poo poo like that.
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Aug 24, 2019 05:20
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we've seen jack poo poo on the tv show about anything having to do with gameplans or plays
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Aug 24, 2019 05:34
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hifi posted:we've seen jack poo poo on the tv show about anything having to do with gameplans or plays Yeah but you have his entire coaching career and broadcast career to have figured that out. Unless you think Spider Y 2 Banana is the best play of all time.
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Aug 24, 2019 05:39
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Hard Knocks was explicitly banned from the most coaches and qb meetings. There are some brief moments like when Gruden was mulling over when to bring in Glennon/Peterman in the Arizona game but that's about it
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Aug 24, 2019 06:13
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Wasn’t the legend of Gruden that his offense is too complex for young rookies and that’s why he prefers vets?
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Aug 24, 2019 17:52
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Nystral posted:Wasn’t the legend of Gruden that his offense is too complex for young rookies and that’s why he prefers vets? I don't think it's so much that the offense is complex, it's just expansive and rookies either don't know how much studying is required in the NFL or haven't physically had the time to learn all of it. Cup half fu here is now that Carr is in his second year with the same OC (he's 4 OCs in 5 years) he can spend less time learning and more time teaching/practicing
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Aug 24, 2019 18:50
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TheBizzness posted:He’s definitely the best coach of a Hard Knocks team that I’ve seen (I haven’t seen either Ravens season). Hard Knocks Rex Ryan is the best.
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Aug 25, 2019 05:36
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That’s true. That season was awesome I forgot about Rex starting a fight between his own players so Gholston might finally wake up.
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Aug 26, 2019 15:59
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Sadly all I remember was Rex on a treadmill.
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Aug 26, 2019 17:20
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C-Bangin' it
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That's the last time I watched more than 1 episode of the show, too. Coincidence?
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Aug 26, 2019 17:30
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I'm just happy to have something to watch on Tuesdays.
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Aug 27, 2019 10:32
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Anyone else not seeing tonight’s episode on HBO Now?
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Aug 28, 2019 03:27
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John Brown posted:Anyone else not seeing tonight’s episode on HBO Now? I haven't watched any episodes immediately on air time this season but in past seasons HBO wasn't a prompt with uploading as their prestige shows.
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Aug 28, 2019 03:49
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It's up now (for me).
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Aug 28, 2019 04:12
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Jon Gruden continues to suck so much and AB continues to be cool as poo poo: The 2019 Oakland Raiders
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Aug 28, 2019 05:07
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Gruden's totally going to talk himself into Peterman over Glennon. And then later in the season he's going to convince himself to put in Peterman over Carr. Not only is Peterman one of the worst quarterbacks to ever start a game, he also has this very passive, submissive demeanor that's, like, the opposite of what you want for the leader of your offense. It actually says a lot about what Gruden wants in a quarterback. Also - just lol at Gruden's son ever being a UFC fighter. It reminds me though, doesn't Gruden have another son named Deuce who is all roided out who works under him on the Raiders? Funny how he is never mentioned on Hard Knocks...
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Aug 28, 2019 15:03
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LabyaMynora posted:Also - just lol at Gruden's son ever being a UFC fighter. It reminds me though, doesn't Gruden have another son named Deuce who is all roided out who works under him on the Raiders? Funny how he is never mentioned on Hard Knocks... Saw a pretty amusing thing on a youtube program similar to hard knocks but for the Bucs. Bruce Arians' failson, introduced as Jake Arians, President and CEO of the Arians Family Foundation (I wonder if he got that job on merit  ?). Him and his girlfriend/wife also had these hideous orange shirts on with graphics on them meant to evoke Arians mustaches and headset and I was struck by how strange that all wasI'd be interested to learn more about Gruden's failson(s?)
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Aug 28, 2019 16:58
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I’m really mad Deuce hasn’t been a storyline.
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Aug 28, 2019 17:34
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The Dave posted:I’m really mad Deuce hasn’t been a storyline. Gruden has to be hiding him. 
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