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Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

Milo and POTUS posted:

gently caress gently caress gently caress gently caress! I was just thinking a few days ago that "maybe we'll make it through the season without one!". This is all my fault


IIs that the guy who does the flying into them and stuff? Or is that the one with the plane av

His first sentence was "flying tonight at 0400 into it" soooo

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BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:

His first sentence was "flying tonight at 0400 into it" soooo

That doesn't necessarily mean he works for the NHC, he could just be a crazy person with his own C-130.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

BigDave posted:

That doesn't necessarily mean he works for the NHC, he could just be a crazy person with his own C-130.

Hurricane Hunter Privateer

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:

His first sentence was "flying tonight at 0400 into it" soooo

I thought the guy with the plane av was that person. He might have changed avs though. :shrug: Hell, there might be two of them. YOU don't know

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

Milo and POTUS posted:

I thought the guy with the plane av was that person. He might have changed avs though. :shrug: Hell, there might be two of them. YOU don't know

You don't know I don't know

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

FAUXTON posted:

Hurricane Hunter Privateer

Yo if we ever declare war on hurricanes, I volunteer my services as a former air battle manager.

Stravag
Jun 7, 2009

If we start firing bullets into hurricanes you can have my ammo as i watch on live tv giggling at the stupidity from a safe distance.

Unless i can live my dreams of being a c130 gunner. Then i will totally ride into battle with hurricanes

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Do we or anyone else send planes into Pacific Typhoons? Is there a reason Hurricane Hunter aircraft have always been prop planes? Is there some sort of drawbacks to High Bypass Turbofans compared to turboprops in this flight regime? It’s something simple I’m missing, isn’t it?

Vasudus
May 30, 2003
I would imagine it's the water vapor.

BUG JUG
Feb 17, 2005



LtCol J. Krusinski posted:

Do we or anyone else send planes into Pacific Typhoons? Is there a reason Hurricane Hunter aircraft have always been prop planes? Is there some sort of drawbacks to High Bypass Turbofans compared to turboprops in this flight regime? It’s something simple I’m missing, isn’t it?

turbofans need a constant supply of air to work, crosswinds can theoretically disrupt that and cause a jet engine to fail by my understanding.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

psydude posted:

misunderstanding international affairs, being cool with totalitarian governments.

In contrast to who exactly

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





BUG JUG posted:

turbofans need a constant supply of air to work, crosswinds can theoretically disrupt that and cause a jet engine to fail by my understanding.

i'd be more concerned about what the large amounts of water in the air would do to the jets over time

props with their lower speed would be less susceptible

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Turboprops are also inhaling a ton of water with their air and would be just as susceptible to crosswinds (which I’m guessing aren’t a huge engine issue, they’re a huge issue for other reasons as I understand it)

Turbofans are pretty resilient machines. Turboprops even more so.

I’m guessing that’s the reason.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

To be honest it's almost certainly "we had these planes on hand and they could take the equipment we needed to put in/on them" as a main reason with several other valid reasons added on to explain why they haven't adapted something like an A380 yet.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

The instruments might need a lower cruise speed that a turboprop is going to be much more efficient at.

LtCol J. Krusinski
May 7, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

hobbesmaster posted:

The instruments might need a lower cruise speed that a turboprop is going to be much more efficient at.

This makes sense to me.

FAUXTON posted:

To be honest it's almost certainly "we had these planes on hand and they could take the equipment we needed to put in/on them" as a main reason with several other valid reasons added on to explain why they haven't adapted something like an A380 yet.

This also makes sense.

Slim Pickens
Jan 12, 2007

Grimey Drawer
He's obviously gonna nuke it

Burt
Sep 23, 2007

Poke.



psydude posted:

Corbyn has a lot wrong with him, but it isn't being "too far left." He's basically a less politically savvy leftist Johnson, right down to being a Brexiter, misunderstanding international affairs, being cool with totalitarian governments.

Corbyn is a pure strain Socialist. He is a Brexiteer due to wanting to re-nationalise everything which would be against EU rules. Which considering the French national power company owns most of our electricity grid and the German national rail company own our trains seems a touch harsh. He also hates Israel with a passion which is where a lot of this current anti-semitism poo poo storm stems from. At heart I honestly think he is a good man with values that really are for the betterment of others at the expense of the establishment, mega rich and massive corporations. I also think that for him to do that will be as easy as it sounds.

Wonder Free
Jun 19, 2006

Throw some D's..
I am a NOAA Corps Officer (like the Coast Guard but more obscure) and we fly P-3’s through the center at 10k feet. We have two P-3’s that do this, and a G-IV that flies around the storm and is boring. The Air Force has the 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron that has 10 C-130’s that do similar missions to the P-3, but don’t do anywhere near the kind of research we do.

We do fly typhoons sometimes but usually we are stateside for hurricane season here so we don’t hit the WestPac stuff very often. There aren’t enough crews or planes to have planes stationed out there for a long time. We have flown through stuff in the Southern Hemisphere out of Australia but we usually don’t go all the way out there for research.

We all use turboprops for two reasons: we basically are flying through a wall of water, and the water ingestion will kill a jet engine.

The other is immediate power changes that a prop gives you. A jet engine takes longer to spool up or down to give you a power correction, which is where the term “behind the power curve” comes from. A prop is immediate and is accomplished through changing the blade angle. We use this and altitude to adjust our speed to avoid stalling out or overspeeding in the storm. Both would be bad.

We had a short mission delay so I’m chilling on the plane for a bit. Using the down time to figure out where to stash my family if the storm rolls over Tampa.

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT
I sincerely hope that the data you're gathering will save lives.

Wonder Free
Jun 19, 2006

Throw some D's..
NHC’s numbers on it say the Recon missions (the ones that go through) increase the intensity accuracy about 40% over the past 40 years or so and the surveillance missions (that fly high and around sampling the air around it) have led to about to about the same increase in track accuracy since we started doing it in the 90’s.

The new hotness is our Tail Doppler Radar. It is only on the NOAA planes and lets us basically stream off a 3D map (vertical profile that we hit from 4-8 sections as we pass through storm) This feeds into the forecast model runs and all of the hurricane centers get pretty excited for it.

We and the Air Force measure surface wind speed with a special radiometer that derives wind speed from the sea foam on the surface of the water, we well as drop sondes that get shot out of the aircraft. We’ve also got one that they are trying to use to help with storm surge prediction.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



That’s really loving cool. Good luck on this (and your future) flights.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

Wonder Free posted:

NHC’s numbers on it say the Recon missions (the ones that go through) increase the intensity accuracy about 40% over the past 40 years or so and the surveillance missions (that fly high and around sampling the air around it) have led to about to about the same increase in track accuracy since we started doing it in the 90’s.

The new hotness is our Tail Doppler Radar. It is only on the NOAA planes and lets us basically stream off a 3D map (vertical profile that we hit from 4-8 sections as we pass through storm) This feeds into the forecast model runs and all of the hurricane centers get pretty excited for it.

We and the Air Force measure surface wind speed with a special radiometer that derives wind speed from the sea foam on the surface of the water, we well as drop sondes that get shot out of the aircraft. We’ve also got one that they are trying to use to help with storm surge prediction.

Have you ever cranked "Rock You Like a Hurricane" as you enter the storm?

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
i'm sad that we never ended up getting the a-10 thunderhog as a replacement for the t-28 they were running through hail storms a decade ago

as far as i know the test plane is still sitting in storage somewhere while they figured out funding for completion/who would actually fly the thing

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



Wonder Free posted:

I am a NOAA Corps Officer (like the Coast Guard but more obscure) and we fly P-3’s through the center at 10k feet. We have two P-3’s that do this, and a G-IV that flies around the storm and is boring. The Air Force has the 53rd Weather Reconnaissance Squadron that has 10 C-130’s that do similar missions to the P-3, but don’t do anywhere near the kind of research we do.

We do fly typhoons sometimes but usually we are stateside for hurricane season here so we don’t hit the WestPac stuff very often. There aren’t enough crews or planes to have planes stationed out there for a long time. We have flown through stuff in the Southern Hemisphere out of Australia but we usually don’t go all the way out there for research.

We all use turboprops for two reasons: we basically are flying through a wall of water, and the water ingestion will kill a jet engine.

The other is immediate power changes that a prop gives you. A jet engine takes longer to spool up or down to give you a power correction, which is where the term “behind the power curve” comes from. A prop is immediate and is accomplished through changing the blade angle. We use this and altitude to adjust our speed to avoid stalling out or overspeeding in the storm. Both would be bad.

We had a short mission delay so I’m chilling on the plane for a bit. Using the down time to figure out where to stash my family if the storm rolls over Tampa.

This is amazingly cool.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



Party Plane Jones posted:

i'm sad that we never ended up getting the a-10 thunderhog as a replacement for the t-28 they were running through hail storms a decade ago

as far as i know the test plane is still sitting in storage somewhere while they figured out funding for completion/who would actually fly the thing

Sitting in storage in CO, I think. Such a solid plane and good idea :smith:

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
trump might order CAS on the hurricane if it was the A-10

FrozenVent
May 1, 2009

The Boeing 737-200QC is the undisputed workhorse of the skies.

Wonder Free posted:

NHC’s numbers on it say the Recon missions (the ones that go through) increase the intensity accuracy about 40% over the past 40 years or so and the surveillance missions (that fly high and around sampling the air around it) have led to about to about the same increase in track accuracy since we started doing it in the 90’s.

The new hotness is our Tail Doppler Radar. It is only on the NOAA planes and lets us basically stream off a 3D map (vertical profile that we hit from 4-8 sections as we pass through storm) This feeds into the forecast model runs and all of the hurricane centers get pretty excited for it.

We and the Air Force measure surface wind speed with a special radiometer that derives wind speed from the sea foam on the surface of the water, we well as drop sondes that get shot out of the aircraft. We’ve also got one that they are trying to use to help with storm surge prediction.

Hey you’re doing good work that helps people in a big way, hang in there.

There’s a great Michael Lewis Audible Original about the Trump administration loving with NOAA, I highly recommend it. Accuweather is some :stare: bullshit, and I refuse to use their products since I listened to that.

Y’all know how obsessed I am with weather so that tells you something.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

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Johnny Five-Jaces
Jan 21, 2009


Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

It's hard not to look at Boris the Clown and wonder how any opposition party in the UK wouldn't be absolutely trouncing the Tories at every opportunity.

And then you look at Corbyn and realize he's a useless old ideologue who has no idea what decade it is, who couldn't win a popularity contest against a wet paper bag outside his own cult of personality.

The LibDem defender has logged on

Burning Beard
Nov 21, 2008

Choking on bits of fallen bread crumbs
Oh, this burning beard, I have come undone
It's just as I've feared. I have, I have come undone
Bugger dumb the last of academe

Icon Of Sin posted:

Sitting in storage in CO, I think. Such a solid plane and good idea :smith:

Kansas I believe. School I work for owns it. Unfortunately they defunded the Meteorology department and I haven't heard much about the A-10 in about a year. I keep my ear to the ground because that things awesome.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
I loving hate accuweather so much.

Winter predictions are always hilarious from them. They're the internet generational equivalent of the farmers almanac.

But weather underground isn't great either. Frequently tells me the temp is 5°C higher than it really is.

Nostalgia4Butts
Jun 1, 2006

WHERE MY HOSE DRINKERS AT

is dark sky cool bc thats what i use

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

I loving hate accuweather so much.

Winter predictions are always hilarious from them. They're the internet generational equivalent of the farmers almanac.

But weather underground isn't great either. Frequently tells me the temp is 5°C higher than it really is.

Surprised you can find the actual weather predictions among all of their clickbait articles.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

I loving hate accuweather so much.

Winter predictions are always hilarious from them. They're the internet generational equivalent of the farmers almanac.

But weather underground isn't great either. Frequently tells me the temp is 5°C higher than it really is.

Accuweather is pure garbage.

If you aren't getting good current conditions from weather underground, look at your local weather stations over a period of time and pick the one that is closest to your personal conditions most consistently. In my area, there's one weather station that always reports like 10 degrees off everyone else.

Old Boot
May 9, 2012



Buglord
Welp, saw this pop up today

https://twitter.com/carlzimmer/status/1167072817415938048

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

is dark sky cool bc thats what i use

I feel like Dark Sky has gotten slightly less accurate over the past year, but I'm also willing to chalk that up to weatherpocalypse.

Not going to complain about getting weather forecasts without clickbait and infinity ads, though.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country
I just use weather.gov for my local NWS office.

https://www.weather.gov/mpx/

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

This administration is single handedly undoing every positive thing that's been done in the past 60 years. Holy poo poo.

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Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
It's impressive how malicious they are. It's unreal.

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