AbstractNapper posted:

I mean they obviously spend zero time on s design document to work with and for years their laser focus was on outputting cool cutscenes in order to sell jpegs to gullible people and figuring new "stretch goals" and features to promise to keep the hype going. Their whole development is backwards, and not in the way that "hey maybe a top-down approach could also work?" but in an intended "dazzle the PC Master race dolts with detailed models and seemingly innovative development terms (see bad use of compiling, refactoring, pipe lines, feature locked), figure out the rest later".

Der Shovel posted:

Precisely. The funny thing about the cultists complaining about people not understanding game development is that accepting CIG's way of doing things illustrates how little THEY understand about game or software development. Anyone who has ever made even a simple game project understands how rear end-backwards their way of development is.

Honestly, I think they backed themselves into a corner. If I had to make an educated guess I'd say Chris Roberts, years divorced from doing any actual development work, massively underestimated the complexity of making a game in TYOOL 2011, let alone something like Star Citizen.

One of the key problems in making games is that on paper things seem super easy. When you write something down or talk it through with your co-devs, it all makes sense, it's all logical, it all works and it doesn't seem that complicated. Then when you actually start to plan it out or execute it, you start to discover all the problems you didn't consider, all the ways it doesn't really interact with the rest of your game that well, and it turns out to be a lot more complex than you thought. This is probably an experience any game dev, amateur or professional, will identify with.

I would also imagine that if you're approaching game dev with little experience, it's kinda easy to fall into a trap of thinking "OK if we make these realistic systems that simulate real life in space, then it will all just work because real life works too". Like imagine you were making a car driving simulator. You just model all the components of the car one by one in your game engine, and you'll have a very realistic simulator of driving a car, right? Well, no. Even if that was true, it still doesn't give you a fun game. And once that realization started to sink in, they were several years in and had promised the sky and the moon to their cultist backers, and were staring down a mountain of engineering debt that would take years and years to chip down into even a bad game.

They're completely and 100% hosed. And because the foundations of this project are rotten to the core, SQ42 is completely and 100% hosed as well. They really should have just completely stopped work on Star Citizen years ago, and started fresh with SQ42, but of course they can't do that because their gigantic dev teams need the constant steady income of cash from new ships and new gameplay mechanics to stay alive.

Der Shovel posted:

Precisely. The funny thing about the cultists complaining about people not understanding game development is that accepting CIG's way of doing things illustrates how little THEY understand about game or software development. Anyone who has ever made even a simple game project understands how rear end-backwards their way of development is.

Honestly, I think they backed themselves into a corner. If I had to make an educated guess I'd say Chris Roberts, years divorced from doing any actual development work, massively underestimated the complexity of making a game in TYOOL 2011, let alone something like Star Citizen.

One of the key problems in making games is that on paper things seem super easy. When you write something down or talk it through with your co-devs, it all makes sense, it's all logical, it all works and it doesn't seem that complicated. Then when you actually start to plan it out or execute it, you start to discover all the problems you didn't consider, all the ways it doesn't really interact with the rest of your game that well, and it turns out to be a lot more complex than you thought. This is probably an experience any game dev, amateur or professional, will identify with.

I would also imagine that if you're approaching game dev with little experience, it's kinda easy to fall into a trap of thinking "OK if we make these realistic systems that simulate real life in space, then it will all just work because real life works too". Like imagine you were making a car driving simulator. You just model all the components of the car one by one in your game engine, and you'll have a very realistic simulator of driving a car, right? Well, no. Even if that was true, it still doesn't give you a fun game. And once that realization started to sink in, they were several years in and had promised the sky and the moon to their cultist backers, and were staring down a mountain of engineering debt that would take years and years to chip down into even a bad game.

They're completely and 100% hosed. And because the foundations of this project are rotten to the core, SQ42 is completely and 100% hosed as well. They really should have just completely stopped work on Star Citizen years ago, and started fresh with SQ42, but of course they can't do that because their gigantic dev teams need the constant steady income of cash from new ships and new gameplay mechanics to stay alive.

HoneyBakedMAN posted:

How the gently caress does a restaraunt run out of potatoes?

AbstractNapper posted:

Any process or program that listen for connections in a specified port and does something when those are established is essentially a server on your machine. It's normal for games with multiplayer modes (online or co-op) to integrate such modules, and also too many programs that may run on your PC (in the background or not) are "servers", like a file server, ssh server, DBMS, auth, etc.

Now, SSOCS on that kind of server process is nonsensical. Is this what they've said? I am losing track with all of their stupidity.

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Most of my knowledge comes from the Sunk Cost Galaxy series, but I believe he was the main force behind all of the first one, wasn't very involved in the second, and for the third and fourth he concentrated entirely on directing the FMV sections and left the game portion to others.

He clearly always wanted to make movies more than games and still does.

Breetai posted:

SO I was thumbing through an old computer magazine last night, and lo and behold I found an article about the Stimperor Chris Roberts himself! The whole thing's quite interesting, but there's one thing that I noticed.

Remember how when Chris sat down to play his game a few years ago and it didn't look like he knew what the gently caress he was doing, down to snapping irritably about how he hated the chat interface? And people wondered why if the game was his baby he looked like a grandma trying to check her emails for the first time as he pawed and the controls?








Whole article here. Apologies for quality, the scan needs refactoring:







P.S.: Mark Hamill confirmed for cuck:

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

I notice there's not one word spoken about the gameplay...

"340 characters" "1255 pages of dialogue" "cast quality to rival Hollywood"

That's how you _poorly hype a film, not a game.

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Lol at the twitter poster in this thread [goon] that's liking porn on their Virtual account. Can't wait for someone to be at work and have to explain to their Captain why you're friends with that person.

Sarsapariller posted:

Most notably to me is that Star Citizen's story is exactly the same as Wing Commander's. Beat for beat, the only thing he changed was the alien names. Even the planned spaceship upgrades are basically identical. And WC wasn't even a new story, Chris largely stole it from Larry Niven's Man-Kzin Wars in the first place.

Stop me if you've heard this one before: there's a race of aliens with a noble warrior culture, and they hate us! For some reason they are engaging us in a series of planet-hopping wars, like islands in the Pacific in WW2. Also for some reason we operate fighters and carriers exactly like that same campaign in WW2. Also also also, our brave military is super cool and good and rugged and handsome but they lose every battle because the enemy is just super duplicitous, but then it comes down to a lone fighter jock and he manages to turn back the tide! Only to be betrayed from within by *gasp* an evil admiral! Exiled from home and forced to fight on two fronts, he wins a stalemate in the war and is marked as a figure of great respect among his enemies.

Sprinkle with some or all of the following:
* A secret jump route that runs STRAIGHT TO EARTH OMG
* An alien superweapon that must be stopped
* A human superweapon that must either be built, defended, or destroyed, depending on which arc of the campaign you are in
* A sidekick from the savage alien warrior race who works alongside you
* Evil warrior-race politicians who subvert everything noble and good about the species and must be murdered
* Lots of Top Gun references because the US Navy is just the loving coolest thing of all time holy poo poo
* A sense of military tactics and technology that has not evolved since 1945

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

I notice there's not one word spoken about the gameplay...

"340 characters" "1255 pages of dialogue" "cast quality to rival Hollywood"

That's how you _poorly hype a film, not a game.

Baxta posted:

I can almost guarantee with the CIG explanation that SQ42 needs "SSOCS" that SQ42 was never actually started. Just assets that were pumped into SC , mocap filiming and dialogue.

Quavers posted:

https://twitter.com/AntonFromYT/status/1164748894175023104

Rugganovich posted:

I bet the hoe cost less than $90.

I can get a fibreglass handled one for $21, hah.
https://www.bunnings.com.au/trojan-fibreglass-handle-pick-hoe_p0101389

Grubby Hobo posted:

That's fair, but delivering bread and potatoes in sufficient quantities is not the hard part of that. On the other hand, it may be that the restaurant was just not used to dealing with people who could put away that much bread and potatoes.

Sarsapariller posted:

Most notably to me is that Star Citizen's story is exactly the same as Wing Commander's. Beat for beat, the only thing he changed was the alien names. Even the planned spaceship upgrades are basically identical. And WC wasn't even a new story, Chris largely stole it from Larry Niven's Man-Kzin Wars in the first place.

Stop me if you've heard this one before: there's a race of aliens with a noble warrior culture, and they hate us! For some reason they are engaging us in a series of planet-hopping wars, like islands in the Pacific in WW2. Also for some reason we operate fighters and carriers exactly like that same campaign in WW2. Also also also, our brave military is super cool and good and rugged and handsome but they lose every battle because the enemy is just super duplicitous, but then it comes down to a lone fighter jock and he manages to turn back the tide! Only to be betrayed from within by *gasp* an evil admiral! Exiled from home and forced to fight on two fronts, he wins a stalemate in the war and is marked as a figure of great respect among his enemies.

Sprinkle with some or all of the following:
* A secret jump route that runs STRAIGHT TO EARTH OMG
* An alien superweapon that must be stopped
* A human superweapon that must either be built, defended, or destroyed, depending on which arc of the campaign you are in
* A sidekick from the savage alien warrior race who works alongside you
* Evil warrior-race politicians who subvert everything noble and good about the species and must be murdered
* Lots of Top Gun references because the US Navy is just the loving coolest thing of all time holy poo poo
* A sense of military tactics and technology that has not evolved since 1945

skeletors_condom posted:

Der Shovel posted:

Honestly, I think they backed themselves into a corner.

skeletors_condom posted:

You can also see how SC's UI was influenced by Wing Commander the movie:





Many other things too like the character design, the overall "serious business" tone, the superficiality of the aliens.



This is somewhat of a contrarian take, but IMO Wing Commander (the movie) could have been a lot better if it didn't take itself so seriously. A homage/subtle parody would have been much more enduring. Crobo wouldn't even have to change all that much. Imagine if the infamous bulldozer scene (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9WFw56Mv1w) was done with just a little bit of ironic comedy?

A fusion of WW2 in the pacific and Top Gun set in space when done in a moderately self-depreciating style with a decent dose of self-awareness could have made for a good movie. Maybe not a summer blockbuster, but that's not the end all of cinema.

I would even say I enjoy watching WC as it is. Although I approach it as a corny space b-movie (something along the lines of Stuart Gordon's Space Truckers). I also get a nice kick of nostalgia from seeing Freddie Prinze Jr. and Matthew Lillard (remember Hackers?) and Saffron Burrows (I though she was super hot when I was growing up and now she is almost 50, how time flies...).

AbstractNapper posted:

Now, SSOCS on that kind of server process is nonsensical. Is this what they've said? I am losing track with all of their stupidity.

skeletors_condom posted:

I would even say I enjoy watching WC as it is. Although I approach it as a corny space b-movie (something along the lines of Stuart Gordon's Space Truckers). I also get a nice kick of nostalgia from seeing Freddie Prinze Jr. and Matthew Lillard (remember Hackers?) and Saffron Burrows (I though she was super hot when I was growing up and now she is almost 50, how time flies...).

Scruffpuff posted:

What is "play," really?

Zazz Razzamatazz posted:

So when this is all done, if Netflix made a documentary about it- what would it be called?

Indiana Croberts and the Raiders of the Lost Parp?

Dooguk posted:

Take another look at the photograph of the diners.

skeletors_condom posted:

Sarsapariller posted:

I wonder if Rexzilla knows that his life is literally a carbon copy of one of the worst movies every made

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Rexilla is probably one of those people who loves Starship Troopers because of how badass and cool the federation soldiers are.

Bofast posted:

I'm not sure how to parse this sentence. What would even constitute a virtual account in this context?