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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:Your Kickstarter Sucks is like that too I used to hate YKS and it put me to sleep driving home and I died, but then I listened to a few eps while lawn mowing, and I now I love it. I dunno. They did a bit about every day carry nerds last episode that was great. Said they were like if iron man was made out of USB drives
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Pablo Nergigante posted:It's an infantile disorder sure (tho their argument was that that book says the opposite of what most people think it does) but what do left communist believe that's different from other communists?
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Serf posted:sure (tho their argument was that that book says the opposite of what most people think it does) but what do left communist believe that's different from other communists? One of the problems is that it's not a codified ideology like Marxism-Leninism, it's more a general grouping for "non-ML communists who emerged around the same time as Lenin." There's specific tendencies that get grouped into leftcom though, like council communism (society should be run by local worker councils that coordinate into giant recursive stacks of councils of councils of councils) or Luxembourgism (I haven't read any Luxembourg but I know it's a thing), and Rev Left could have spent more time on that.
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Anyway I listened to the Chapo interview with Joe Sestak and god drat I forgot how much he sucks. Citations Needed could use it as a refresher on everything they've talked about, because I think he pulled almost every trick in their catalog.
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Goon Danton posted:One of the problems is that it's not a codified ideology like Marxism-Leninism, it's more a general grouping for "non-ML communists who emerged around the same time as Lenin." There's specific tendencies that get grouped into leftcom though, like council communism (society should be run by local worker councils that coordinate into giant recursive stacks of councils of councils of councils) or Luxembourgism (I haven't read any Luxembourg but I know it's a thing), and Rev Left could have spent more time on that. council communism just sounds like the stuff i hear anarchists propose, or like a non-trade centered syndicalism
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Serf posted:council communism just sounds like the stuff i hear anarchists propose, or like a non-trade centered syndicalism Pretty much, though most syndicalism is industry centred and not broken up by trade. Council Communist theorists are people like Pannekoek, Otto Ruhle Karl Korsch and Paul Mattick Snr (he's son is still alive and active but seems to be drifting in a weird direction) oh and Mark Shipway. A lot of them eventually came to accept that their ideas owed a lot to anarchists or they had come to the same conclusions. Mattick was in the IWW. The other major Left Communist grouping was the followers of Amadeo "the worst thing about Fascism is Anti-Fascism" Bordiga*. Though personally I've never been able to figure out what makes them "left" the man openly dreamed of a totalitarian society (in his own words) of experts and wanted to destroy the individual completely. And most of the groups that broke off from him haven't done much better unless they jacked his ideas in completely. Honestly I can't think of a very good thing to say about them, the modern parties still around split like the Trotskyists, denounce everyone else for selling out and they interpret everything to suit their own particular fractions narrow views. The most famous "Bordigist" to English speakers is probably Giles Dauve, but he stopped being one in I think the 70s. *He was the leader of the Italian Communist Party during the rise of Mussolini, not only did he not commit the party to opposition to the Blackshirts he expelled party members who did join groups that opposed the Fascists like the Arditi del Popolo.
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Serf posted:sure (tho their argument was that that book says the opposite of what most people think it does) but what do left communist believe that's different from other communists? Usually it's broadly defined as "anything to the left of lenin". Leftcom as an ideology is basically a group of ideologies defined by what it isn't (leninism, maoism, trotskyism) as much as any positions they hold. In practice it's usually used by communists who don't want to be associated with leninism for a myriad of reasons. They reject the idea of a vanguard party in favor of a more decentralized mass uprising. They also don't like ml states tendency to centralize political power under the communist party apparatus. Ancoms & councilists are usually what leninists are referring to when they speak of left wing communists.
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Baka-nin posted:Pretty much, though most syndicalism is industry centred and not broken up by trade. Council Communist theorists are people like Pannekoek, Otto Ruhle Karl Korsch and Paul Mattick Snr (he's son is still alive and active but seems to be drifting in a weird direction) oh and Mark Shipway. A lot of them eventually came to accept that their ideas owed a lot to anarchists or they had come to the same conclusions. Mattick was in the IWW. Bordiga was a self proclaimed leninist who get's lumped in leftcoms because he was critical of the stalin era ussr for retreating from the revolution. It's a weird accident of history that he's associated with leftcoms it doesn't make coherent sense.
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Dreddout posted:Bordiga was a self proclaimed leninist who get's lumped in leftcoms because he was critical of the stalin era ussr for retreating from the revolution. It's a weird accident of history that he's associated with leftcoms it doesn't make coherent sense. Its not an accident, Bordiga positioned himself as part of the "Italian left" and nearly every modern site or publication using the Leftcom or "Internationalist Communist" name will be run by a Bordigist party or a party that grew out of the Bordigist current. Your right the term doesn't make coherent sense, but the term was just a term of abused applied by the Communist party of the Soviet Union to describe their critics with the Communist movement. Trotskyists were often derided as Left deviationists, ultra lefts and leftcoms too, and many of what we call Leftcoms like Bordiga were first accused of Trotskyist politics.
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Aug 29, 2019 18:41
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Bear Retrieval Unit posted:man that admiral dude sucks rear end Matt asked pretty good questions. Its cool that flagging presidential hopefuls are unintentionally signing up to be interviewed by marxists
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Farm Frenzy posted:yks doesnt really have content its more like a less aggro cumtown YKS is basically a PG cumtown.
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Goon Danton posted:Anyway I listened to the Chapo interview with Joe Sestak and god drat I forgot how much he sucks. Citations Needed could use it as a refresher on everything they've talked about, because I think he pulled almost every trick in their catalog. Sestak claiming China doesn't forgive debts while the IMF & World Bank do is insane. Debt forgiveness only became a trend among Western lenders because China was willing to forgive debts in the Third World during the aughties, but especially Cuba's. If western lenders weren't willing to forgive any third world debt, but especially African debts, then China would be sought out as the primary source of financing.
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China is only giving aid in exchange for getting military bases! Anyway we need to go back to engaging with the world like we did with the Marshall Plan, which
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yeah he doesn't seem like a bad guy in a lot of ways, most of his positions seem decent for a democrat, but he's got a great big ideological blind spot on geopolitics. "we need a worldwide consensus on what to do about Venezuela" why? what are they doing that is threatening the world? Matt's question on why China ignores the UN, IMF etc was on point too. those are anglo world institutions. China will respect and reinforce them when they start doing what China wants.
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I feel like a teenage Felix ten years removed right now. All i can think about is a universe where Matt is a democratic 2020 frontrunner and releasing this weeks premium podcast and unravelling all of western psychosis at once.
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Often Abbreviated posted:yeah he doesn't seem like a bad guy in a lot of ways, most of his positions seem decent for a democrat, but he's got a great big ideological blind spot on geopolitics. "we need a worldwide consensus on what to do about Venezuela" why? what are they doing that is threatening the world? Matt's question on why China ignores the UN, IMF etc was on point too. those are anglo world institutions. China will respect and reinforce them when they start doing what China wants. If you constructed a golem made purely from what liberal Foreign Policy Blob people actually believe it would be Joe Sestak. He only slightly deviates on Iran, and that's purely because as an admiral he has an operational understanding of why it's a bad idea.
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Often Abbreviated posted:yeah he doesn't seem like a bad guy in a lot of ways, most of his positions seem decent for a democrat, but he's got a great big ideological blind spot on geopolitics. "we need a worldwide consensus on what to do about Venezuela" why? what are they doing that is threatening the world? Matt's question on why China ignores the UN, IMF etc was on point too. those are anglo world institutions. China will respect and reinforce them when they start doing what China wants. all high ranking US military officers are bad guys until proven otherwise. so like, smedley butler is alright and i can't think of any others. this probably holds true for all officers too be honest
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Serf posted:sure (tho their argument was that that book says the opposite of what most people think it does) but what do left communist believe that's different from other communists? stealing a post: "leftcoms", or left communists, are ostensible communists who have such beautiful souls that they simply cannot engage with trade unions (reactionary) or do electoral work (bourgeoise) or work with the peasantry (backwards) or impose the dictatorship of the proletariat through the vehicle of a worker's state (authoritarian) or basically do anything but explain at length why every instance of actually-existing socialism is, actually, doing it wrong, and in reality an example of state capitalism/bureaucratic collectivism/degeneration/asiatic despotism. lenin wrote a long pamphlet on this topic called "left-wing communism, an infantile disorder". trotsky headed the "left opposition" in the ussr before he was exiled
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Update for the Epstein Galaxy. Dasha from Red Scare free episode attended the Dismissal of Indictment for Jeffrey Epstein. That day in court had the victims say their peace since they were denied their day in court. First hand reporting so you can go further into Epstein brain.
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KirbyKhan posted:Update for the Epstein Galaxy. nah
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's a 20 minute micro episode and she doesn't really say anything insightful. There's not much time to, to be fair. The only informative bit is that all of Epstein's accusers are blonde women. will never come close to the esteem and wholesomeness of gadaffi's nurses
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:It's a 20 minute micro episode and she doesn't really say anything insightful. gasp!
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R. Guyovich posted:gasp! when this progressive woman is literally three times as insightful as she normally is, men come out of the woodwork to discredit her work
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cool dance moves posted:Earlier someone mentioned Matt Taibbi joining up with Katie Halper to do a new podcast. What has Alex Pareene been up to? Hes been good on TARFU report (RIP) and chapo imo
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R. Guyovich posted:lmao at letting that old rear end in a top hat go on and on about chinese colonialism or whatever for their thousands of braindead fans to swallow uncritically the same way they did the orb meme woman What did the Astral Queen lie about?
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mila kunis posted:stealing a post: oh well in that case i definitely know at least one leftcom who thinks that we can't do a revolution because the communists would obviously kill all lgbt people immediately
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mila kunis posted:you might think: so whats the effective difference between a leftcom and a lib that never wants to see a socialist government or society Nirvana fallacy vs Just World fallacy
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I'm so reactionary I reflexively double back to being revolutionary.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'm so reactionary I reflexively double back to being revolutionary. Scott Bakula feels ill. Something is wrong. "I'm leftcom...," he questions himself, turning to a door-mounted mirror to see himself fully, wholly leftcom
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