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Facebook Aunt posted:That's no reason he can't ascend to godhood tho. The Dark One used to be a goblin. His followers slaughtered a million humans in his name to manage that.
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MikeJF posted:His followers slaughtered a million humans in his name to manage that. Imagine the egg on his face when Banjo ascends with just a handful of followers for who it's more of a joke than anything else.
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Aug 29, 2019 06:44
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Facebook Aunt posted:That's no reason he can't ascend to godhood tho. The Dark One used to be a goblin. wow... mods are you seeing this?
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Aug 29, 2019 11:09
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MikeJF posted:His followers slaughtered a million humans in his name to manage that. Blood for the blood god.
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Aug 29, 2019 14:19
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Apologies to anyone who already predicted this but I expect there will be a major revision of the bet with Hel before this is over. I have a feeling Rich as writer / Loki as character won't just write the character off to die for lack of balanced god food even if the world continues.
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Aug 29, 2019 18:24
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MikeJF posted:His followers slaughtered a million humans in his name to manage that. yeah but those humans have an afterlife
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Aug 29, 2019 19:26
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Banjo will be the next ruler of Azure City after Shojo and Hinjo. Hence the name.
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Schwarzwald posted:yeah but those humans have an afterlife The coolest thing I think we've seen actually is it seems like Goblins are preparing for a sort of Ragnarok End Times/Pandemonium Final Fight / Endless Battle while the petitioners of other gods just fade into spiritrons.
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Ephemeron posted:Banjo will be the next ruler of Azure City after Shojo and Hinjo. Hence the name. Are you a kobold?
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Aug 29, 2019 19:41
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It's Gobbotopia now.
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Ephemeron posted:Banjo will be the next ruler of Azure City after Shojo and Hinjo. Hence the name. He's even blue.
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Aug 29, 2019 20:54
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Did the gods bother to furnish goblins with souls when they were made to be a trash mob for grinding, or was it the power of the Dark One that gave them an afterlife?
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SlothfulCobra posted:Did the gods bother to furnish goblins with souls when they were made to be a trash mob for grinding, or was it the power of the Dark One that gave them an afterlife? If all gods require souls, and the Dark One is a legit god, it follows that goblins have souls.
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SuperKlaus posted:Apologies to anyone who already predicted this but I expect there will be a major revision of the bet with Hel before this is over. I have a feeling Rich as writer / Loki as character won't just write the character off to die for lack of balanced god food even if the world continues. Someone suggested a while back that Hel would be the most likely candidate to get et by the Snarl, and the last couple strips very definitely put Hel dying on the table. SlothfulCobra posted:Did the gods bother to furnish goblins with souls when they were made to be a trash mob for grinding, or was it the power of the Dark One that gave them an afterlife? OotS seems to operate within the Great Wheel cosmology, so goblins have always had an afterlife. It's just that all the afterlives on the side of the Wheel goblins usually occupy don't have a habit of letting petitioners chill and hang out.
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Yeah the difference between being evil, and being evil, but worshipping a god are massive. Normally if you die, you will go to whatever plane matches you best. If you worship a particular god or group of them, then they will claim your soul on death, and take you to whatever afterlife they created for their followers. Unless of course they don't want the soul, usually in the case of said soul not following their teachings.
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I can see the arguments for Hel dying or not dying. Hel not dying is possible because Loki would VERY much not want his daughter to die. The "Hel will die" argument I think is possible from a narrative and thematic standpoint where Hel, following themes relevant from past characters and I think for future events, is the thematic idea of a character getting got because they decided to double down instead of accepting things. Preferring the gratification of revenge against your own future. Of refusing to backdown because of too much sunk costs. Hel might feel like her anger and the extent she's been wronged i.e Shylock, precludes her from backing down; and riding her plan, her efforts, to the bitter end; and then suffering for it. But it might not happen.
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So, are there any benefits from not worshipping a god in D&D? Because without the whole 'Religious Uncertainty' thing, it seems like a no brainer wanting to have Someone have your back.
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Unlucky7 posted:So, are there any benefits from not worshipping a god in D&D? Because without the whole 'Religious Uncertainty' thing, it seems like a no brainer wanting to have Someone have your back. No. Your soul after death gets turned into a brick and used in the Wall of the Faithless where you become nothingness after a tortured existence as a sentient brick where if you're unlucky a demon steals you from the wall.
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Raenir Salazar posted:No. Your soul after death gets turned into a brick and used in the Wall of the Faithless where you become nothingness after a tortured existence as a sentient brick where if you're unlucky a demon steals you from the wall. Now that makes the whole D&D "Satanic Panic" thing feel kind of ironic.
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Raenir Salazar posted:No. Your soul after death gets turned into a brick and used in the Wall of the Faithless where you become nothingness after a tortured existence as a sentient brick where if you're unlucky a demon steals you from the wall. I thought this was Wraith: The Oblivion chat for a moment.
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Raenir Salazar posted:No. Your soul after death gets turned into a brick and used in the Wall of the Faithless where you become nothingness after a tortured existence as a sentient brick where if you're unlucky a demon steals you from the wall. That's only in one setting tbf. Most settings don't have anything equivalent to the Wall of the Faithless, and we know for a fact the OotS cosmology doesn't. The big thing to remember with god stuff is that a lot of gods are capricious and can gently caress you over forever, so if you aren't actually religious staying unaligned can be a pretty good deal for most alignments. Like almost all the outer planes that aren't evil are pretty decent places for mortals to end up with for their afterlife. The evil ones are real poo poo though which should be an incentive for every evil character to go hard on religon or immortality. Zore fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Aug 30, 2019 |
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Zore posted:That's only in one setting tbf. Most settings don't have anything equivalent to the Wall of the Faithless, and we know for a fact the OoT cosmology doesn't. I wonder if people from species that don't have a dominant alignment even know their alignment. Like to most evil people even know they are evil? Surely some think they are on the side of good or at least pragmatism while they stroll into the deep end of the alignment pool.
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Facebook Aunt posted:I wonder if people from species that don't have a dominant alignment even know their alignment. Like to most evil people even know they are evil? Surely some think they are on the side of good or at least pragmatism while they stroll into the deep end of the alignment pool. Oh no doubt this happens a ton. Like it's not too uncommon for more zealous followers of good or neutral gods to end up being evil jackasses because of their belief that they are good and can do no wrong. Those sorts are not claimed by their gods upon death and go instead to whatever place is appropriate for them.
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Facebook Aunt posted:I wonder if people from species that don't have a dominant alignment even know their alignment. Like to most evil people even know they are evil? Surely some think they are on the side of good or at least pragmatism while they stroll into the deep end of the alignment pool. Thats probably a really setting dependent thing. If there are a lot of Paladins hanging everywhere around its trivial to find out if you're evil or not. If there are 100 total Paladins in the world and no one over 6th level except for like 5 dudes then things are a lot murkier.
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Unlucky7 posted:So, are there any benefits from not worshipping a god in D&D? Because without the whole 'Religious Uncertainty' thing, it seems like a no brainer wanting to have Someone have your back. It depends on which campaign setting. In a lot of them it's not that big a deal, but in Forgotten Realms in particular (and it's related settings) it's rather unwise.
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Unlucky7 posted:So, are there any benefits from not worshipping a god in D&D? Because without the whole 'Religious Uncertainty' thing, it seems like a no brainer wanting to have Someone have your back. From a player's standpoint, if you're not a cleric it really doesn't matter.
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One slight disagreement with the evil afterlives sucking: There is an... adjustment period at the start, but if you can hack it, you can become a mighty devil and literally Reign in Hell. And don't worry, Mr. Farmer-Who-Secretly-Moves-The-Boundary-Fence-At-Night-To-Steal-His-Neighbor's-Land, I've seen what you're made of, and I'm impressed. It takes guts, wits, and force of personality to climb your way up the Infernal Hierarchy, and from what I've seen, you could be a pit fiend within a decade. Just sign on the dotted line.
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Raenir Salazar posted:No. Your soul after death gets turned into a brick and used in the Wall of the Faithless where you become nothingness after a tortured existence as a sentient brick where if you're unlucky a demon steals you from the wall. As mentioned, this one is only in Forgotten Realms. In the generic Great Wheel cosmology, you just go wherever your alignment dictates regardless of if you're religious or not. Like, Lawful Good atheists still wind up on Mount Celestia, Lawful Neutral atheists end up in Mechanus, etc.
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Incidentally, it's so funny that Mechanus is an afterlife plane, because the modrons are so deeply disinterested in anything outside their weird insular system of laws. I imagine if you wind up there, you're probably so painstakingly lawful that you look at all these little robots walking in lines and sigh contentedly like, "yes, this makes sense to me".
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Forgotten Realms cosmology changes with each edition (usually justified by some major cosmic cataclysm) and I'm pretty sure the god who built and maintained the wall of the faithless has been killed, and his successor has been killed, and his successor's successor has been killed, etc. so I wouldn't bet on the whole WOTF to still be relevant.
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And 5e brought it back. Made D&D great again, built a wall no one liked.
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Cat Mattress posted:Forgotten Realms cosmology changes with each edition (usually justified by some major cosmic cataclysm) and I'm pretty sure the god who built and maintained the wall of the faithless has been killed, and his successor has been killed, and his successor's successor has been killed, etc. so I wouldn't bet on the whole WOTF to still be relevant. Nah, Jergal voluntarily stepped down from his position as God of the Dead, his successor died during the Time of Troubles, and Kelemvor has held the position since then, and is still around as of 5th Edition.
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I wonder what the gods will do in terms of world making when the Snarl is beaten? It was mentioned at the meeting some are bored with the current world. Loki just stated he's not a fan of the fantasy setting. Hel will be livid if she's locked into this deal forever. Will they make multiple worlds?
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OhFunny posted:I wonder what the gods will do in terms of world making when the Snarl is beaten? It was mentioned at the meeting some are bored with the current world. Loki just stated he's not a fan of the fantasy setting. Hel will be livid if she's locked into this deal forever. Will they make multiple worlds? Evidently, theres only enough crafting components to create one world at a time.
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Didn't Thor muse on wanting to give some longer-term world concepts a try, like natural selection? It's possible that this world's days are numbered regardless and that there are Ragnarok prophecies and stuff, but at least when the end does come it would be a lot more orderly and managed by gods that cared about it, rather than a mad rush to end it before the Snarl does. Alternatively, without having to worry about keeping the Snarl contained in their creation, they might just go creating new worlds elsewhere and leaving the current one running.
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ultrafilter posted:On the other hand, there's a world inside the gates. During a reread I noticed Odin actually knows about this on some level. But he's entirely forgotten about it by the time Durkon gets Flame Striked back to the afterlife and mentions it in front of him and Thor. This probably isn't a shocking insight or anything. But apparently whatever god-sight Odin has does reach inside the rifts. "Yarn winding yarn" is an interesting phrasing for him to use as well. I wonder if the Snarl made its world out of bits of itself, or bits of the OotS world?
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