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   Come on! Daddy needs a net 11 points!  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about!   Well, this gets me nothing.  Again, that is better.   The Soviets know my plans, and target my airfields.  Drum roll please....  Bingo! The Allies have now lost more planes, ships and troops than I have! I also hold more land. Their situation in untenable.
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It showed me how many ships were claimed by mines as opposed to active combat. A steady drip of sinkings.
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BurningStone posted:It showed me how many ships were claimed by mines as opposed to active combat. A steady drip of sinkings. Don't get assigned to a minesweeper. Behind the front lines, they said. Not getting shot at, they said. Hah!
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:Don't get assigned to a minesweeper. Behind the front lines, they said. Not getting shot at, they said. Hah! How lethal is accidentally setting off a mine? I learned from this thread they got blown up all the time, but wondering if this is something the crew could usually survive or if was just as lethal for them as the ship.
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Chuu posted:How lethal is accidentally setting off a mine? I learned from this thread they got blown up all the time, but wondering if this is something the crew could usually survive or if was just as lethal for them as the ship. I couldn't find it, but I saw a painting once of a minesweeper hitting a mine. In ww1 at least, the minesweepers were converted fishing trawlers and the like and usually made of wood. Long story short, this minesweeper hit a mine, and it showed the ship's bow completely blown off. So you could probably survive it if you were at the stern.
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Famously the minesweepers at the dardenelles got the poo poo shot out of them too
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They were mostly wood in WW2 as well. Lots of the mines had magnetic triggers, so it made sense.
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Is it possible you took out the 509th or is the AI just coded to only nuke the Home Islands?
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Chuu posted:How lethal is accidentally setting off a mine? I learned from this thread they got blown up all the time, but wondering if this is something the crew could usually survive or if was just as lethal for them as the ship. There's always going to be a lot of "it depends" to these kinds of question. How large and well built is your ship? Is it a contact mine or some variety of influence mine? Was it triggered by sweeping gear or the ship itself? I have the impression that the typical mine strike isn't immediately fatal, but one thing to remember is that as bad as being on a boat in the middle of a minefield is, not having the boat is worse. Even if there are friendlies nearby, there are plenty of cases of a would-be rescuer hitting another mine in the attempt.
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For a major example of the latter point, both the pre-dreadnaught battleships the Japanese lost in the Russo-Japanese War were to mines (incidentally, two weeks before Tsushima). Their flagship Hatsuse hit one and became disabled, and Yashima proceeded to hit two more while attempting to assist. Final result was Hatsuse drifting into another mine that detonated its magazine, and Yashima sinking hours later while under tow. Also a good example of why shipbuilders decided they needed underwater protection for ships, even aside from torpedoes.
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   Oh yeah, they still have subs. I'd forgotten.  It seems to be another of those active sub phases.  Poor show guys.  Very poor show.  Keep on bombing, keep on bombing.  Another Soviet advance.  We shot down a load of enemy search planes, so numbers are still good for today.  As long as you don't look at ships.
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  A bad day, or running low on planes?  Just a split wave!  A British cruiser, there? I kind of doubt that.  This is a strange place to attack, they must have come down from the North West.  Kind of an odd day for enemy placement....
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5 swordfish all working together to carry a nuke slung between them all...
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Dr. Despair posted:5 swordfish all working together to carry a nuke slung between them all... What, held under the
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  We take out some invaders.  Blink and you'll miss it today.
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One thing I wish this game had without needing mods was a way to change Japanese research to include improvements to their ToE and not just newer engines and airframes. When you have the resources that Grey does it would make sense that they would put at least some of them into developing proper semi-automatic rifles, better artillery, and maybe a Japanese version of the bazooka or Panzerfaust. As other games Grey has run have shown us loving lol going up against an army that has semi-automatic weapons when you have bolt-action rifles.
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Unfortunately that ability was sabotaged by the IJN so they could fit in a few more battleship conversions.
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All of this game's mechanics essentially assume the Japanese will do as badly as they did historically, while simultaneously the game's allied AI is fully capable of allowing the Japanese to do massively better than they did historically. Failing to provide the Japanese player with mechanisms to "realistically" take advantage or make use of their better performance is an abject failure to make this game be a game.
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The Strategic Command games are probably the best thing I'll get in this case, then.
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Like I guess they did make some concessions, like you can maybe finish a few ships that were still in progress at the war's end IRL, same with some airplane models. But for example the game clearly just assumes you'll never be capable of taking chun king, you'll never have the resources that you'd want to update your TOE, you'll never choose a path that gets you effective ASW, whatever. It's a frustratingly narrow-minded view, particularly for a game that also gives you the supposed ability for a major victory by the Japanese side through hugely outscoring the allied side. How could you possibly achieve that without coming toward the end game with more preserved resources, capabilities, manpower, territory, or whatever combination of those? And yet it simulates every squad of soldiers, different airplane engine models, torpedo distribution and provisioning logistics, etc. in minute detail.
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There's no good way to handle that unless you want to enter "what if Hitler was a gay black Jewish woman" territory though. The "Japanese destroyer Captain" Captain mentions being surprised that naval HQ just accepted his proofs of mistakes in their torpedo doctrine and tables rather than straight up telling him he was wrong. You would have to drastically remove heads from various rear ends to get reasonable TOE changes when The Fighting Spirit was enough for them.
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Volmarias posted:There's no good way to handle that unless you want to enter "what if Hitler was a gay black Jewish woman" territory though. The "Japanese destroyer Captain" Captain mentions being surprised that naval HQ just accepted his proofs of mistakes in their torpedo doctrine and tables rather than straight up telling him he was wrong. You would have to drastically remove heads from various rear ends to get reasonable TOE changes when The Fighting Spirit was enough for them. The Japanese did have a fleeting experimental program of copying the Garand so I don't think that some stuff is entirely out of the question but yeah most of that would have been extremely difficult to change at the very least.
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The assumptions of the game also have a huge impact on the Allied forces - if the Allies were really getting their butts kicked as hard as a human Japanese player typically does to an Allied AI, you'd expect that some of the forces being sent to Europe would have been sent to the Pacific instead, and some of the withdrawals for Atlantic operations would happen differently or not at all.
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  Boom.  We have a good day here.  This is a fair fight.  So is this.  Two bases lost in a day.  The fleet has reached the turn.....
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  Always makes me happy.  Another base falls to the Soviets.  fairly dull day,
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gohuskies posted:The assumptions of the game also have a huge impact on the Allied forces - if the Allies were really getting their butts kicked as hard as a human Japanese player typically does to an Allied AI, you'd expect that some of the forces being sent to Europe would have been sent to the Pacific instead, and some of the withdrawals for Atlantic operations would happen differently or not at all. Going by how the AI has been operating it could have command of a modern carrier battlegroup and would still fail to take Rabaul. The problem here isn't resources, it's that the AI is fundamentally broken (See: we haven't seen an Allied carrier in nearly a year)
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Is September 1st going to be the last day of the LP? The fleet should be able to start the attack by then.
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Yeah, when is the fleet projected to arrive
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Maybe not the last day. There has been AI fuckery meaning the 1st was a bit anticlimatic
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Grey Hunter posted:Maybe not the last day. There has been AI fuckery meaning the 1st was a bit anticlimatic 
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Grey Hunter posted:
1823 vehicles. Most of those are tanks, right? You are doomed (in a few months).
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Batfish is going to show up and sink the entire KB, I bet.
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Why did you not build up your forts in manchuria?
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Better things to throw supply at.
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   Flawless!  Another base falls. The Soviet advance seems to be picking up speed.  My god, they had a bad day in the air there.  September 1st. Pearl Harder.
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