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Righto, here's some boats I slapped together: The Proyekt 11117 destroyer boasts a 30 knot top speed, a broadside of four 5" guns with plenty of ammo, 9 torpedoes and a fashionable asymmetrical look that will hopefully not be out of fashion by the time they're actually finished. What's not to love(provided you don't actually have to crew this thing)?  The Proyekt 50617 is honestly just a halfassed design, made mostly because I felt I should submit a seaplane tender, but at least it has ten seaplanes and won't blow up if you look at it funny. It won't fare well against anything bigger than a corvette though. 
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 (Prince Valeryan Igorovich Urodlivyy, founding member of the Русские созданы для борьбы и победы Salon, at a historical costume ball in St. Petersburg, circa 1899) Ah, Lords of the Admiralty! So good of you to join me at the Saint Petersburg Aerodrome. As per your requests, I have two designs to present for your perusal. While neither of them are the mighty battleships we all wish to be building, I believe you will find them both worthy endeavors in their own way. Volga-class Fleet Destroyer  Volga Design In our war against the Hun it was clear that we at the Salon had failed to take into account the screening responsibilities of a fleet destroyer in our past designs. In order to protect our capital ships, we must have destroyers that can fight on an even footing with the enemies. The Kashin class sadly could not do so, with only four 102mm guns. And for all of that, she still sacrificed capital ship killing power, sporting just a pair of three-tube centerline launchers while making 30 knots. Thanks to technological developments across multiple fields of naval engineering, I can state unequivocally that the Volga is a superior ship, and fully meets our needs for a fleet cruiser. Despite being the same displacement as the Kashin, it boasts a higher top speed, a larger, 127mm, caliber main battery, a 50% increase in the size of its torpedo broadside. On top of all that, she carries an additional six 76mm guns to help in knife fight situations, against enemy shipping, and to batter surfaced submarines. Given an ₽85m budget, we can afford nineteen of these deadly new fleet destroyers. Elbrus-class Seaplane-Carrier  Elbrus Design I have to admit that I am aghast at the other designs thus far put forth by our friends. The Admiralty asked for a БОЛЬШОЙ seaplane carrier, not one that's barely larger than the Lodhom Puv. With the thrice-damned Treaty of Washington in effect, we must refocus our fleet upon light forces and naval aviation! 10 seaplanes on a ship will be at best a scouting element, and we will not be able to sortie a significant wave of torpedo bombers at enemy fleets. That is, once we've finally finished developing air dropped torpedoes... but my cousin promises me that it's at the top of his mind and we all know that the boffins would never let their Emperor down. Once equipped with a full two squadrons of torpedo bombers and a six or seven plane scouting element, the Elbrus will be one of the deadliest craft in the Northern Atlantic. Further, while she is not intended to sail into any sort of gun fight, the Elbrus should handily match most light cruisers and be able to defend itself from large numbers of destroyers while retaining the speed to keep away from anything less than a battlecruiser. Thank you again, my friends, and I look forward to seeing your selections. Give my best to my cousin, and remind him that I am, as always, his loyal servant Valeroshka. habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Aug 31, 2019 |
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Aug 31, 2019 21:26
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I like that we've seen designs representing three very different philosophies of what a seaplane tender is for. Note that while a seaplane tender is limited to carrying floatplanes specifically, it is actually possible to develop floatplanes with bomb carrying capacity and I'm pretty sure they can eventually even carry torpedoes. It's obviously inferior to a proper fleet carrier with a flight deck but you can still launch air strikes from them once you've got floatplanes that can carry bombs, and large floatplane strikes can be quite lethal against capital ships without good AA protection or fighter cover (especially if they've got thin deck armor or skimped on extended deck protection). I've fireballed a dreadnought with a lucky turret top hit from a floatplane bomb before. Also the Elbrus should in theory be murderously effective as a commerce raider (albeit an expensive one) well into the late game, even after being obsoleted in its intended role by fleet carriers. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Aug 31, 2019 |
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Aug 31, 2019 23:40
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There were seaplane torpedo bombers in WWI, for example the first plane to ever sink a ship with a torpedo.
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Why do people still insist on putting secondary batteries, and freakin' useless 2- and 3-inch popguns onto destroyers? It's not the early 1900's anymore. 
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Magni posted:Why do people still insist on putting secondary batteries, and freakin' useless 2- and 3-inch popguns onto destroyers? It's not the early 1900's anymore. Until you get directors on DDs 3 inch secondaries are fine, as volume of fire is better and it's not like DDs have armor that makes 3" guns completely ineffective... But not at the expense of primary armament like the Volga. But I don't understand why people are designing 1100T DDs that go 30 knots in 1918. I'd put a design up but I don't have access to the game.
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I can't fit another 5" gun on the centerline, so I went with the 3" since destroyers have no armor. Also, it's friggin hard with our tech to get anything up above 31 knots and still able to fit any amount of armament in 1100 tons.
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Incidentally, here are the the stats on the most advanced foreign destroyers we know of: The USA hasn't finished building any of its 1500 ton destroyers, Japan's navy is mostly underwater and Austria-Hungary is Austria-Hungary and therefore irrelevant.
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Infidelicious posted:Until you get directors on DDs 3 inch secondaries are fine, as volume of fire is better and it's not like DDs have armor that makes 3" guns completely ineffective... But not at the expense of primary armament like the Volga. Because that's as big as we have? Plus tiny secondaries let you keep fighting once you're out of main gun ammo. Especially good if we get destroyers in a convoy raid Edit: also pretty sure that theres a bill that requires AA or light artillery that could maybe be convinced to look up on all vessels Veloxyll fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Sep 1, 2019 |
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Sep 1, 2019 03:30
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Veloxyll posted:
Boksi posted:Righto, here's some boats I slapped together: habeasdorkus posted:
Okay, back over to you for the vote!
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habeasdorkus posted:There were seaplane torpedo bombers in WWI, for example the first plane to ever sink a ship with a torpedo. It's hilarious to me that the second confirmed ship kill from an airplane-launched torpedo occurred while the launching airplane was landed on the surface of the water, it's like the airplane equivalent of a u-boat surfacing to engage targets with its deck gun. Also, while in real life floatplanes could totally carry air-launched torpedoes at around this time, in game it's going to be dependent on what path our research and airplane designs take. I'm actually not 100% positive they can carry torpedoes - I think they can, with a high enough bomb capacity, but I'm not sure. I do know that if developed in the right direction they can grow to carry a pretty respectable bomb load for something so cheap; they're still primarily useful as scouts but can be used for naval strike or even ground attack missions in a pinch.
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Grey Hunter posted:Okay, back over to you for the vote! A nice mix of designs there. Pick your poison, folks. (Can't believe I didn't think to try Crossdeck guns.)
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Sep 1, 2019 05:12
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Proyekt 11117 and Elbrus
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Proyekt 11117 Elbrus-class
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Danann posted:Proyekt 11117 Myself, also. The demo version of this is pretty cool- this morning I had superior forces in the area according to the window offering a convoy attack, but I got allocated 2 destroyers and an obsolete cruiser versus seemingly their entire local roster- I shadowed them and used the cruiser to lure them off, brought the destroyers around in a loop and roasted every last merchant with them, and despite damage my cruiser escaped too- massive victory. Then the very next battle my new expensive fleet ran into a handful of obsolete destroyers at point blank range in the middle of the night and everything died in a mass of torpedoes. Might have to buy this.
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Proekt 11117 Naezdnik Elbrus voters, if all you want is volume of planes then consider this: the Elbrus costs 47,000 and carries 31 planes, while the Naezdnik costs 9,000 and carries 10. If all you want is maximum planes, then we could build 5 Naezdniks for less than the cost of one Elbrus, and be able to field 50 planes instead of 31.
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Sep 1, 2019 14:24
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Gromki Naezdnik
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vyelkin posted:Elbrus voters, if all you want is volume of planes then consider this: the Elbrus costs 47,000 and carries 31 planes, while the Naezdnik costs 9,000 and carries 10. If all you want is maximum planes, then we could build 5 Naezdniks for less than the cost of one Elbrus, and be able to field 50 planes instead of 31. Counterpoint, we're only building one seaplane carrier, and it's supposed to be a large seaplane carrier. 
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Sep 1, 2019 15:13
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Proyekt 11117 Elbrus
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vyelkin posted:Proekt 11117 Counter-counter point, the game will rarely allocate all 5 seaplane carriers into one battle. So realistically, you might show up with 1 or 2, so you want the best one.
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Saint Celestine posted:Counter-counter point, the game will rarely allocate all 5 seaplane carriers into one battle. So realistically, you might show up with 1 or 2, so you want the best one. However you should consider that they are very good at raiding, so we can have those couple of active duty carriers, while the rest go off and harass enemy shipping. I gotta go with Volga for speed. and Naezdnik for the above
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Imperial Officer posted:Proyekt 11117 and Elbrus
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Proyekt 11117 Elbrus-class
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 January 1918  We help the British deal with some rebels.  A number of ships finish their reconstruction, and we get the idea to put guns on ships that point into the air. February 1918  I am continuously asking why I'm not allowed nice things.  We see two new breakthroughs.  I lay down the designs for the destroyers. March 1918  Singapore breaks free of the British yolk, and we find our new light cruisers are not quite as light as we thought.  Better armour and three light cruisers this month. This allows me to commission 8 new destroyers. April 1918  Fear of America increases our budget. I lay down eight more subs.  I also call for a new seaplane carrier. May 1918  We industrialise and export, and see two new ships enter the navy. June 1918  The docks expand we learn how to invade places better and another of our light cruisers has a crippling flaw.  I also lay down the new seaplane carrier. July 1918  The people of Hokkaido rebel against our fair rule.  It seems to the US, we begin to round up their agitators.  We take another step towards war. August 1918  The US mobilize their fleet, but I try and keep the peace.  The US lay down corvettes. September 1918  More US Operatives are rounded up on Hokkaido.  Our own spies are heroes of course.  We get AA guns, but the US declares war on us.  I activate the fleet. To balance the budget, the construction of the seaplane carrier is halted. Now we prepare for battle. No acts will be accepted.
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Well so much for that arms treaty that would promote peace across the world. 
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Fun fact: Elpifodor is named after Russian merchant, whose ships were used as a design pattern.
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Do we have numbers on the American fleet-in-being?
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Since war has been declared do we hae to obey the treaty?
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wedgekree posted:Since war has been declared do we hae to obey the treaty? Nope, wars cancel treaties
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Pirate Radar posted:Nope, wars cancel treaties Yay! Just in time to be broke and not able to throw out any more ships! Also how well defended are our far east possessions? Presuming this is gonna be fought there.
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wedgekree posted:Yay! Just in time to be broke and not able to throw out any more ships! We're broke because we've been building new ships, this is the best possible timing
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simplefish posted:We're broke because we've been building new ships, this is the best possible timing Except some of them are lemons and the other ones are still being built. At least destroyers don't take too long to build.
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Boksi posted:Except some of them are lemons and the other ones are still being built. At least destroyers don't take too long to build. Actually, all our heavy in production ships got cancelled due to the arms treaty. So we're fighting a USA who has BBs and BCs with CAs and lighter. Whee! This is gonna be great!
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Veloxyll posted:Actually, all our heavy in production ships got cancelled due to the arms treaty. None of our heavy ships got cancelled because we weren't building any, you doofus. But yes, we will be facing off against a nation that has several battleships and battlecruisers to our one battleship and the Tsar's yacht. Our only saving grace is that they don't have any bases in Europe or the far east, so it'll be more difficult for them to blockade us.
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Boksi posted:None of our heavy ships got cancelled because we weren't building any, you doofus. But yes, we will be facing off against a nation that has several battleships and battlecruisers to our one battleship and the Tsar's yacht. Our only saving grace is that they don't have any bases in Europe or the far east, so it'll be more difficult for them to blockade us. Assuming their fleets are mostly medium range, can they deploy in Northern Europe? A war in the east would be difficult for us, a lot of our newer light ships are short range. We also haven't built airship bases, much less airbases, in the east; though we will have to wait until years end to look at that.
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I should also comment that the game says we can't build torpedo bombers yet, despite continuously yelling at me to build some.
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Grey Hunter posted:I should also comment that the game says we can't build torpedo bombers yet, despite continuously yelling at me to build some. That's one of the more annoying 'features'. You gotta change your airgroups so they don't have torpedo planes on their TO&E. Just set them all to fighters and floatplanes, or whatever whirlybirds we have access to.
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Grey Hunter posted:I should also comment that the game says we can't build torpedo bombers yet, despite continuously yelling at me to build some. Did we ever scrape enough money together to run the Torpedo bomber design competition BuORD ordered?
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