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Yinlock posted:the master classes are kind of garbage overall unless you're a punchman or can fly They're (almost) all tradeoffs compared to advance classes, which the game does fail to make obvious. Sometimes the tradeoffs will be worth it depending on what you're looking for in a unit though! Like, say, if you want more movement range! Extremely hot take here: movement is good. Some players may want movement over other stats or utility.
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HenryEx posted:My Petra is 29 now and made bank as an assassin-dancer, but i'm not sure what class i should be going for at 30. There doesn't really seem to be a proper upgrade. Mortal Savant, maybe??? I just trained my Petra up in both assassin-ing and wyvern lord-ing and had her swap between them depending on what the situation called for.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:13
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Amppelix posted:Oh come on. Is there no middle ground between "i have to get everyone to a master class" and "they all suck actually" Its me, I like movement.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:13
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Should I keep Byleth as an Enlightened One or should I make him a Mortal Savant? It kinda sucks though because his Reason skill level is low...
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Sep 2, 2019 22:14
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Well, Petra is at 21/20 on Str./Mag., sooooo Mortal Savant doesn't look so bad from where i'm standing edit: google tells me Petra is supposed to have ~10 Mag. at level 30
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Sep 2, 2019 22:15
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Yeah all the magic Master Classes are upgrades because 4 move is awful. Dark/Holy Knight, Gremory and Mortal Savant are all a step upHenryEx posted:Well, Petra is at 21/20 on Str./Mag., sooooo Mortal Savant doesn't look so bad from where i'm standing Just remember Petra has one of the worst spell lists in the game.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:15
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Girl Byleth worked very well as an assassin on my Blue Lions run It also helps that if she gets screwed on defenses she can safely stand around and not get targeted while moving someone who can rank into the fray
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Sep 2, 2019 22:15
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My current Byleth is a monster. Basically 30 in all stats (including defense of all things) at level 35 while just being a punch woman.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:16
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Tae posted:My current Byleth is a monster. Basically 30 in all stats (including defense of all things) at level 35 while just being a punch woman. same my students may hate stats but byleth sure doesn't, I had him rolling with a rusty sword for a while just so he could build skillxp without instantly murdering everything Amppelix posted:Oh come on. Is there no middle ground between "i have to get everyone to a master class" and "they all suck actually" tbf I might be biased because, as i've said, my entire team(except petra/edel) hates speed a whole bunch and most of the master classes come with some kind of speed growth penalty and they don't need more help on not getting speed every level thanks Yinlock fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Sep 2, 2019 |
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Sep 2, 2019 22:21
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And by the way, continuing on the subject of master classes: you have to remember this game completely drops the concept of a linear progression of classes. You can go back to your previous class any time you want! And you should! For example, in battles where it looks like movement range won't be as big an issue for whatever reason, I always reclassed Linhardt to a Bishop for the 2x casts and increased heals of Physic, and double Warp if I happen to want it. Then, if the next battle has a large area to cover, I just classed him back into Holy Knight! Wow! It's like the all the upside with none of the tradeoff!
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Amppelix posted:And by the way, continuing on the subject of master classes: you have to remember this game completely drops the concept of a linear progression of classes. You can go back to your previous class any time you want! And you should! but what if i've already mastered the previous class' skill, are you telling me to waste all those precious class skill points for getting a skill i will probably never use for shame
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Sep 2, 2019 22:24
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The master class masteries are all trash, aren't they.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:28
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I might put some of them on the skill bar if I happened to get them (Like Lysithea gets hers for free thanks to 2x exp), but certainly not worth putting effort into getting. Mortal Savant's Warding Blow is pretty comically bad though, I'd agree there.
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HenryEx posted:The master class masteries are all trash, aren't they. all of them are some variation on "if you're low on hp something happens, probably won't keep you from dying though" War Master is the one standout which lets you guaranteed double anything(on the player phase) if you're below half health but fists let you do that already sooo
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It does feel like the master class distribution is kind of weird and lacks punch, I fully believe that Swordmaster was initially the master level sword class and they bumped it down/nerfed Astra at some point to give people an actual reason to ever put someone in Mortal Savant
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I don't think that happened at all? Swordmaster certainly doesn't feel very nerfed, it's a completely fine class as is. I think the only problem is that they chose to call the master classes, well, master classes and make a big deal out of them by locking them behind a professor level. This all implies to any players that surely great power hides within, when really they don't tend to have a power level increase from advanced, only having different niches. Though this is without getting into Falcon Knight and Wyvern Lord, the two weirdos. I have no idea what's going on with those.
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Sep 2, 2019 23:17
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Swordmaster only has 5 move, so that’s an auto no-go for me.
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Amppelix posted:I don't think that happened at all? Swordmaster certainly doesn't feel very nerfed, it's a completely fine class as is. I think the only problem is that they chose to call the master classes, well, master classes and make a big deal out of them by locking them behind a professor level. This all implies to any players that surely great power hides within, when really they don't tend to have a power level increase from advanced, only having different niches. War Master is also a straight upgrade. Also in general everything at Master level gets a +1 move bump which is pretty huge.
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Mortal Savant is a class you want to end with, in like the final few chapters. For most of part 2 where you're still growing, I'd rather have Swordmaster's 20% speed growth over -10% Savant's. (why is a "Swordmaster" upgrade giving negative speed bonus)
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Sep 2, 2019 23:29
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They absolutely did mess with Swordmaster though, Astra is significantly weaker in this than in any of its past incarnations, where each hit was. 5 damage, not .3.
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Sep 2, 2019 23:33
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Dimitri’s absolute exasperation at Sylvain’s schtick was gold Why would you give a knife to a girl tho
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Sep 2, 2019 23:36
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It is, but I doubt that has anything to do with this master class shakeup you're envisioning. The game in general has a design philosophy of lessening or removing the old mainstay offensive skills.
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Carlosologist posted:Dimitri’s absolute exasperation at Sylvain’s schtick was gold you're in for a loving treat my friend, buckle up and enjoy the ride
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Sep 2, 2019 23:38
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The same reason Edelgard came up with the name Black Eagle Strike Force; they're just both huge dorks.
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Amppelix posted:It is, but I doubt that has anything to do with this master class shakeup you're envisioning. The game in general has a design philosophy of lessening or removing the old mainstay offensive skills. It then replaced them with some absolute garbage crap too. The skill, crest and weapon arts stuff is easily the weakest part of 3 Houes. Cool a skill that lets me have basic competence with a weapon. Really interesting  We don't even get anything interesting. Where's poo poo like Shadowgift (lets you use magic outside a magic class) or loving anything even remotely fun. Zore fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Sep 2, 2019 |
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The game has a million mechanics already, I really don't think it needed more. Fire Emblem gameplay is already interesting just from the battlefield positioning and tactics aspect (complemented by gambits in this game), and the character building is just involved enough.
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I 100% understand not letting stuff like shadowgift into the game though, because lysithea on a wyvern would break this game even harder than it already is
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Carlosologist posted:Dimitri’s absolute exasperation at Sylvain’s schtick was gold (their b support i think) "ahh help I need to hide, girl trouble" "dude did you give her a loving knife again, jesus christ" had me rolling
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I am kinda sad there's no weapon triangle anymore
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the weapon triangle is sorta there just... locked behind breakers that give you +30 hit/avo against enemies using the disadvantageous weapon type at B rank
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Hot take: if you're not planning on trying to dodge tank, the only prowess skills that are really crucial for allowing your unit to function are axe and bow.
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Zore posted:
Gaaah. Edelgard not being able to use magic on her unique class was... argh... She even is the only black/dark mage of the game!
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So this is my first Fire Emblem game and I had no idea you had to view support videos between supporting characters or that you could even build links between characters that didn't involve Byleth. Unfortunately I'm now in what I'm pretty sure is the last month of the game. How viable is it to farm some support levels for just a few characters by doing the battles that don't require points repeatedly and just having two characters constantly fight next to each other?
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If the weapon triangle existed, it would just make magic even more powerful and I'd probably slot in another mage over a physical attacker. Or just give a trainee weapon, cause it's not like decent weapons need high ranks.
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Adun posted:So this is my first Fire Emblem game and I had no idea you had to view support videos between supporting characters or that you could even build links between characters that didn't involve Byleth. Unfortunately I'm now in what I'm pretty sure is the last month of the game. Did you play 70+ hours without ever looking at the support menu? I mean that's entirely viable if that's the case and you can be bothered with the grind, I farmed Felix and Bernadetta's last two like that and it took about 20 minutes. although I regret it bc they got married and that's weird
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eating only apples posted:Did you play 70+ hours without ever looking at the support menu? I mean that's entirely viable if that's the case and you can be bothered with the grind, I farmed Felix and Bernadetta's last two like that and it took about 20 minutes. Yep 50 hours and the only support I ever checked on was Byleth's. Whoops
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Master Classes have several direct upgrades, so it's weird that there aren't direct upgrades for, say, Paladin or male unmounted mages. Like, either they're supposed to be sidegrades, or they have stuff like Wyvern Lord and Falcoknight.
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Adun posted:Yep 50 hours and the only support I ever checked on was Byleth's. It takes some serious willpower to ignore that red circled exlamation mark "HEY THERE'S SOMETHING NEW HERE" in your journal for 50 hours.
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HenryEx posted:It takes some serious willpower to ignore that red circled exlamation mark "HEY THERE'S SOMETHING NEW HERE" in your journal for 50 hours. I'd guess the more likely scenario is that they never got as far as opening that menu in the first place.
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I'm trying to do a teachers/adults-only run, and doing the first few maps with only Byleth is surprisingly difficult. In retrospect, I should have made Byleth specialize in fists so they could have the healing combat art. IDK who to marry on this run. I feel like Catherine and Shamir should be together, and it's far funnier to leave Manuela single.
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