UKMT September 2019 - A Fish-Abandoning Government

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > UKMT September 2019 - A Fish-Abandoning Government

josh04: Oct 19, 2008; "THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"
_{This title contains sponsored content.}

forkboy84 posted:

For those of you who don't check CSPAM, there's a thread with one of those silly little leftist political compass style quiz where they ask you 70-odd questions before concluding if you're a tankie or a succdem

Because it's important to know if we the thread has been as properly radicalised towards anarchism as it sometimes feels like.

:marx:

e: 23% reformism, just enough to vote for Big Jezza in the imminent election.

josh04 fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Sep 3, 2019

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:05

Adbot: ADBOT LOVES YOU

# ? May 20, 2024 12:31

Borrovan: Aug 15, 2013; IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY

*cribs Churchill's speech about the time he ordered soldiers to open fire on striking miners in Tonypandy word for word*
Expressed regret, FAIL

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:06

PST: Jul 5, 2012; If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Early revelations from the Court of Session in Scotland hearing the case against the govt. today.

Turns out that they were planning Prorogation back in mid August, and might have told a few hundred lies about it.

https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/1168822956958633984

https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/1168838463371788288

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:06

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Tenebrais posted:

If it were up to me I'd say once you become an MP you get the salary for the rest of your life, but any income beyond that gets taxed at 100%. You take the job and that's you for life, anything else you do after is strictly volunteering.

How does this account for the JRMs of the world who a) have hundreds of millions already in the bank

b) will just have their spouse take the money

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:07

Nothingtoseehere: Nov 11, 2010

Midnight- posted:

Don't amendments have to be specifically related to the bill they're amending though?

Bercow is the one deciding what's allowed and what's not, sooooo...

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:07

Z the IVth: Jan 28, 2009; The trouble with your "expendable machines"; Fun Shoe

Tenebrais posted:

If it were up to me I'd say once you become an MP you get the salary for the rest of your life, but any income beyond that gets taxed at 100%. You take the job and that's you for life, anything else you do after is strictly volunteering.

You'd need to tax their entire household or they would just divert any income to their spouses/children.

Edit: Also all existing assets will be nationalised. You get paid a very generous salary for the rest of your life but that's it.

Z the IVth fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Sep 3, 2019

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:07

Flatscan: Mar 27, 2001; Outlaw Journalist

peanut- posted:

Normal MPs earn about �80k don't they? Not over �100k.

Depends on how badly they fiddle their expenses.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:15

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

I thought I was the only non Trotskyist who posted in this thread?

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:16

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Chuka Umana posted:

I thought I was the only non Trotskyist who posted in this thread?

loving hell, no, no, no, no, no this is wrong and insulting. You can tell there's no Trots in this thread because every third post isn't someone trying to sell you their newspaper.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:17

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

forkboy84 posted:

loving hell, no, no, no, no, no this is wrong and insulting. You can tell there's no Trots in this thread because every third post isn't someone trying to sell you their newspaper.

UKMT podcast premium episodes. IT BEGINS!!!

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:18

notaspy: Mar 22, 2009

forkboy84 posted:

loving hell, no, no, no, no, no this is wrong and insulting. You can tell there's no Trots in this thread because every third post isn't someone trying to sell you their newspaper.

Been a while since I heard that meme

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:20

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

quote:

Reports Cox said removal of backstop 'a complete fantasy' not denied by Downing St

Downing St has refused to deny claims in the Daily Telegraph that attorney-general Geoffrey Cox told Mr Johnson it was "a complete fantasy" to think the EU would drop the backstop from the withdrawal agreement, reports George Parker.

However senior Tory sources have denied outright the paper's claim that Dominic Cummings, Mr Johnson's top adviser, had called the so-called EU negotiations "a complete sham".

But Number 10 has declined to say when it will publish its proposed alternative to the backstop, suggesting negotiations in Brussels may not be progressing quite as well as Mr Johnson claims. EU diplomats point out there is nothing to negotiate about.

Nothing we didn't suspect before, but nice to see that the BoJo gov't has been lying its rear end off from day one about being serious with the negotiations.

Also apparently the Order Paper vote, the one that would allow Parliament to command the business of the house instead of the government, is set for 21.00

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:21

chestnut santabag: Jul 3, 2006

Failed Imagineer posted:

Bloody Stupid Johnson

How is this name not more common for him??

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:23

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

forkboy84 posted:

For those of you who don't check CSPAM, there's a thread with one of those silly little leftist political compass style quiz where they ask you 70-odd questions before concluding if you're a tankie or a succdem

Because it's important to know if we the thread has been as properly radicalised towards anarchism as it sometimes feels like.

Some of the questions suffer from a problem of purity, like "Reforming capitalist society to achieve better rights for workers is desirable." It is desirable over going lolbertarian and not doing that, but it's not sustainable or the end of the process.

Others suffer from problems of definition, like "Socialism can only be fully achieved in developed industrialized societies." Marxist socialism, yeah sure, but hunter-gatherer tribal socialism? I agree that you can't truly have feudal-era agriculturalism and socialism though. Quiet Gerrard.

Others suffer from problems of degree, like "It is acceptable for humanity to suffer to some notable extent in order to preserve the natural ecosystem." are we talking stubbed toes or smallpox, or "Some small scale destruction of nature is acceptable if it notably benefits humanity." like I do agree that houses should exist, but disagree with mass deforestation for burgers.

"People of similar cultures should unite in federations or confederations." set off my alt-right alarm.

Chuka Umana posted:

I thought I was the only non Trotskyist who posted in this thread?

Please don't accuse us of being sex offenders.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:24

Nothingtoseehere: Nov 11, 2010

help me I'm a centrist Marxist

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:25

Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

Urgh, 9pm? That's way too far away. I need my hellworld chaos right now!

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:26

Darth Walrus: Feb 13, 2012

forkboy84 posted:

loving hell, no, no, no, no, no this is wrong and insulting. You can tell there's no Trots in this thread because every third post isn't someone trying to sell you their newspaper.

Also, the thread is generally not very fond of rape.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:26

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

Libdems: Stop calling us Tories! :qq:

Also Libdems:

"General election: Lib Dems draw up target list for local pacts with Remain Tories posted:

The Liberal Democrats could stand aside in key seats to help the re-election of Conservative MPs opposed to a no-deal Brexit.

Senior party insiders have been discreetly drawing up a list of constituencies where support from Lib Dem voters could be critical.

Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader, wants to maximise the number of MPs opposed to no-deal who would be returned to the Commons in a snap election before before October 31.

Tory MPs who vote in favour of blocking no-deal face being deselected by their party as Boris Johnson steps up pressure to persuade Brussels to offer him a better Brexit deal. Some prominent rebels, including Rory Stuart, who stood against Boris Johnson in the party leadership election, are considering standing as independent Conservatives�

[e]:
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1168825578121846785
Hoey voting with the government. Shocking, I know.

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Sep 3, 2019

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:27

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Guavanaut posted:

Some of the questions suffer from a problem of purity, like "Reforming capitalist society to achieve better rights for workers is desirable." It is desirable over going lolbertarian and not doing that, but it's not sustainable or the end of the process.

Others suffer from problems of definition, like "Socialism can only be fully achieved in developed industrialized societies." Marxist socialism, yeah sure, but hunter-gatherer tribal socialism? I agree that you can't truly have feudal-era agriculturalism and socialism though. Quiet Gerrard.

Others suffer from problems of degree, like "It is acceptable for humanity to suffer to some notable extent in order to preserve the natural ecosystem." are we talking stubbed toes or smallpox, or "Some small scale destruction of nature is acceptable if it notably benefits humanity." like I do agree that houses should exist, but disagree with mass deforestation for burgers.

"People of similar cultures should unite in federations or confederations." set off my alt-right alarm.

Please don't accuse us of being sex offenders.

Hi-five Council Communist buddy!

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:32

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

I am fully happy with being an Eco-Marxist and have a few recycled-paper printed leaflets I'd like to give you.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:33

Camrath: Mar 19, 2004; The UKMT Fudge Baron

https://leftvalues.github.io/results.html?a=69.1&b=48.5&c=50.0&d=83.9&e=54.2&f=27.8&g=15.6

So apparently I�m an eco-Marxist, which I�ll admit I didn�t know was a thing until a few minutes ago.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:33

peanut-: Feb 17, 2004; Fun Shoe

Pesky Splinter posted:

Libdems: Stop calling us Tories!

Also Libdems:

I don't get this at all, what's the profile of the constituency where that would be needed? One where a pro-remain Tory is likely to lose to a Brexit Party candidate? That must be vanishingly few.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:33

RubberJohnny: Apr 22, 2008

That link 404s

Pesky Splinter posted:

Libdems: Stop calling us Tories!

Also Libdems:

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:34

Sanitary Naptime: May 29, 2006; MIWK!

Junior G-man posted:

UKMT podcast premium episodes. IT BEGINS!!!

I feel attacked

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:35

CyberPingu: Sep 15, 2013; If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

RubberJohnny posted:

That link 404s

Welll yeah its their moral compass

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:37

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

� v $ went under 1.20 for a few hours this morning - lowest rate since 1985.
(Source: xe.com)

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:37

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

RubberJohnny posted:

That link 404s

Don't know why it's not properly redirecting.

Here's the quickest twitter link I could find:
https://twitter.com/GeorgeAylett/status/1168812824392556544

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:37

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Kate Hoey is simultaneously one of the dumbest people I've ever seen talk as a politician, and also related to the crypt keeper. It's extraordinary.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:38

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1168849804329463809?s=19

Here we go

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:41

CyberPingu: Sep 15, 2013; If you're not striving to improve, you'll end up going backwards.

Junior G-man posted:

Kate Hoey is simultaneously one of the dumbest people I've ever seen talk as a politician, and also related to the crypt keeper. It's extraordinary.

The skin on her face looks like its trying to escape from the rest of her.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:41

Dead Goon: Dec 13, 2002; No Obvious Flaws

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:43

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Failed Imagineer posted:

https://twitter.com/KateEMcCann/status/1168849804329463809?s=19

"Especially those who are after jobs". God, they're just grubbing cunts till the very end.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:43

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

I'm gonna tell you guys this now it's going to be the Lib Dems and CUK that are going to bring this thing down.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:44

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

CyberPingu posted:

The skin on her face looks like its trying to escape from the rest of her.

Could we not do this again?

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:45

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

forkboy84 posted:

Hi-five Council Communist buddy!

Let us get betrayed by SocDems and Tankies together :toot:

"A socialist government has no right to disrupt religious or cultural traditions in any situation." is another one that got me overthinking. Like a socialist government has no right to go around being imperialistic dicks and saying 'lel sky wizard' while kicking over people's private shrines, or ban cannabis because the scary black people faith venerates it, but there's religious or cultural traditions that are deeply reactionary and should gently caress off, and don't deserve special protection just because "well we've always excommunicated the gays and kept the races separate and it says so on the holy soup bowls revealed by our prophet Dick Wanker that just so happened to reflect exactly the prejudices of the era."

Also clerical religions tend to be hierarchies and I have Views on those.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:45

Rust Martialis: May 8, 2007; At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Guavanaut posted:

Let us get betrayed by SocDems and Tankies together

The CoComm Vanguard grows apace. Every minute recorded brings the Revolution closer. And could we have some people stay after the Revolution to help put chairs away? Comrade Guavanaut was here quite a while after last meeting doing it alone. Thanks.

# ? Sep 3, 2019 12:48