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GoGoGadgetChris posted:
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tater_salad posted:the highway is a standstill thoa morning, a carr rebooted in traffic and then it wanted to update before moving again. Attention: all Buick Unicorn models built before July 18, 2045, are temporarily prohibited due to a software vulnerability that allows a remote user root access to the vehicle.
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Sep 3, 2019 19:27
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I had an argument with a coworker about autonomous cars. We live in an area with available public transit, so having a car for commuting isn't necessary. I commented that having a car is the worst, since I have to pay for it to sit there full of fuel, insurance, maintenance for something that just wastes money. I can't wait until you can just call an autonomous car from an app, from a fleet that is just waiting in a warehouse, or driving around on errands and it just picks me and takes me where I want to go. He vehemently disagrees, because in his words "I want my neighbors to see my luxury car and know my social status". Like that was his reason for waiting a luxury car, just to flex on them. I said well, I mean being picked up by a fully automated limo would be quite a show off. Then he called me a socialist and started ranting about how I'd probably want health care for everyone for free too. It was a weird conversation. He was fired a few weeks later for walking around client offices stealing from vacant desks and for looking through women's gym bags and playing with their underwear.
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Sep 3, 2019 19:28
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That's my number 1 reason for wanting automated cars. No more need for a garage, for doing maintenance, for researching and buying a new car. You just call one up, and it takes you to work or whatever. And I wouldn't mind carpooling, but I'm not a psychopath like your ex-coworker.
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Sep 3, 2019 19:33
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Automated networked vehicles will be a massive national security issue because you’re centralizing your entire transportation system down to one point of failure. Given America’s lackluster willingness to secure critical infrastructure I can’t imagine we will be any better when it comes to autonomous vehicles. Of course there’s also the massive privacy issue of who controls the data about where you’re driving but given we already live in a panopticon of mobile devices real time driver info will likely seem quaint in comparison. Can’t wait for my 2050 Huawei branded vehicle to only go 30mph max because President Eric Trump decided to get into a trade war with China again. Or drive 100mph into the nearest power plant because he decided to get into an actual war with China.
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Sep 3, 2019 19:37
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I had an argument with a coworker about autonomous cars. We live in an area with available public transit, so having a car for commuting isn't necessary. I commented that having a car is the worst, since I have to pay for it to sit there full of fuel, insurance, maintenance for something that just wastes money. I can't wait until you can just call an autonomous car from an app, from a fleet that is just waiting in a warehouse, or driving around on errands and it just picks me and takes me where I want to go. I told you not to talk about me on here
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Sep 3, 2019 19:37
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:You'll have to sign a waiver that your car will kill you, if it ever has to choose between the occupants of your car and another vehicle. The radio lab episode on this basically boiled down to saying the car has to protect the occupants above all else. Otherwise nobody would ever agree to get in one.
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Sep 3, 2019 19:42
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:At some point we'll need to teach an AI the correct answer to the trolley dilemma Yeah, that too, though that's actually part of the liability problem
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Sep 3, 2019 19:42
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Jerk McJerkface posted:He vehemently disagrees, because in his words "I want my neighbors to see my luxury car and know my social status". Like that was his reason for waiting a luxury car, just to flex on them. Hmm this might actually explain why my idiot neighbor parks his tesla on the driveway and then runs an extension cord out a window to charge it every night Edit: yes he has a 2 car garage
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Sep 3, 2019 19:47
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GamingHyena posted:Automated networked vehicles will be a massive national security issue because you’re centralizing your entire transportation system down to one point of failure. Given America’s lackluster willingness to secure critical infrastructure I can’t imagine we will be any better when it comes to autonomous vehicles. Of course there’s also the massive privacy issue of who controls the data about where you’re driving but given we already live in a panopticon of mobile devices real time driver info will likely seem quaint in comparison. I guess you allude to it at the end, but you're also creating a fleet of road based missiles.
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Sep 3, 2019 19:49
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SpartanIvy posted:This is how insurance works already and there's always someone to sue. Kinda, but future insurance is probably going to become something of a public good. Maybe like flood insurance where no individual is held responsible. There will be immunity for everyone as long as all the rules are being followed and damages will be determined by a scale instead of a jury. Personal injury lawyers are going to be in trouble. It’ll all be implemented in stages. Long haul trucks will get automated first since driving on interstates in a straight line is a baseline expectation for the new tech and that means fewer truckers hopped up on speed. Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Sep 3, 2019 19:50
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No-fault car insurance is already a thing in sane jurisdictions.
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Sep 3, 2019 19:59
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Jerk McJerkface posted:I had an argument with a coworker about autonomous cars. We live in an area with available public transit, so having a car for commuting isn't necessary. I commented that having a car is the worst, since I have to pay for it to sit there full of fuel, insurance, maintenance for something that just wastes money. I can't wait until you can just call an autonomous car from an app, from a fleet that is just waiting in a warehouse, or driving around on errands and it just picks me and takes me where I want to go. And that man's name? Albert. loving. Einstein.
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Sep 3, 2019 19:59
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Krispy Wafer posted:Kinda, but future insurance is probably going to become something of a public good. Maybe like flood insurance where no individual is held responsible. There will be immunity for everyone as long as all the rules are being followed and damages will be determined by a scale instead of a jury. Personal injury lawyers are going to be in trouble. This assumes sane competent government acting in the best interest of the public. Political problems these days are intractable; anything that requires a change in law could happen tomorrow or not for twenty years.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:02
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Automakers will have a manual override button installed in order to put liability back on the driver. There you go, I figured out the insurance conundrum.
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FrozenVent posted:No-fault car insurance is already a thing in sane jurisdictions. It's a thing in Florida, too.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:03
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My favorite conversation to have with almost everyone goes roughly like this: "Are you looking forward to self-driving cars?" "Hell no. I will NEVER get in a self-driving car. I don't trust them." "So you'll never trust a computer as much as you trust yourself?" "Never." "OK. Different question, would you trust computers more than you trust all the other morons and assholes and moronic assholes on the road?" "Hell yes. ... but I'll never allow a computer to drive MY car." The fact that it will probably take a violent revolution to make autonomous cars ubiquitous in the US is closely connected to the fact that every single human sincerely and vehemently believes that I am a well-above-average driver.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:08
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any violent revolution that makes autonomous cars ubiquitous and not public transportation is hosed up
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Sep 3, 2019 20:12
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As Americans, our lives are worthless, so we're willing to throw them away in order to keep dumb poo poo like Assault Rifle 15s and manually driven cars.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:13
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:As Americans, our lives are worthless, so we're willing to throw them away in order to keep dumb poo poo like Assault Rifle 15s and manually driven cars. High Capacity Fully Automated Autonomous Assault Vehicles
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Fitzy Fitz posted:any violent revolution that makes autonomous cars ubiquitous and not public transportation is hosed up We still have to get bodies to the train stations. I think a solution of autonomous cars for local trips and transportation to the hubs for air/rail/sea makes the most sense.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:18
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Hey guys do you think that in any way, self-driving cars, or the lack thereof, could be considered Bad With Money? please feel free to let this conversation topic grow organically
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Sep 3, 2019 20:20
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Cars and insurance are ridiculously expensive. It sits around collecting dust most of the day, so it makes way more sense to only pay for usage as you need it, and let someone else handle all the bullshit maintenance, garaging, etc.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:24
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:As Americans, our lives are worthless, so we're willing to throw them away in order to keep dumb poo poo like Assault Rifle 15s and manually driven cars. Assault Rifles 15.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:28
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Kaiser Schnitzel posted:High Capacity Fully Automated Autonomous Assault Vehicles Cars don't kill people, recently-sentient malevolent AI controlling cars kills people!
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Sep 3, 2019 20:28
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It’s going to be a generational thing too. Boomers won’t like it, but won’t have a choice the more broke brained they get. Gen-X and Millennials will be split on it, and Gen-Y will be all over it. EDIT: removed some unnecessary snark. Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Sep 3, 2019 |
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Sep 3, 2019 20:29
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Nocheez posted:We still have to get bodies to the train stations. I think a solution of autonomous cars for local trips and transportation to the hubs for air/rail/sea makes the most sense. uh.... how about a bus?
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Sep 3, 2019 20:29
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DaveSauce posted:uh.... how about a bus? I'm fairly certain buses will be automated, too.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:34
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DaveSauce posted:uh.... how about a bus? City dweller spotted. BRB, walking two miles to the nearest bus stop, hope I don’t miss it and have to wait two hours for the next one because I live in the sticks. Way better than a car though, definitely.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:41
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Step 1, Find an autonomous moving truck!
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Sep 3, 2019 20:43
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sleepy gary posted:Assault Rifles 15. The inventor designed the gun to be as intimidating as possible to his debtors. He wanted to call it the PUB (pay up bitch) but marketing thought calling it the Accounts Receivable would be a better sell.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:46
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A big part of why I don't want an automated on-demand shared car is that I keep my car clean. With some shared car i don't have a choice but to sit in a box full of the last user's farts and cheeto dust.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:49
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Craptacular posted:A big part of why I don't want an automated on-demand shared car is that I keep my car clean. With some shared car i don't have a choice but to sit in a box full of the last user's farts and cheeto dust. They'll have single piece water proof vinyl interiors and get hosed out by robots every night.
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Sep 3, 2019 20:53
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Jerk McJerkface posted:They'll have single piece water proof vinyl interiors and get hosed out by robots every night. the memories don't wash away
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Sep 3, 2019 20:55
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Nocheez posted:Cars and insurance are ridiculously expensive. It sits around collecting dust most of the day, so it makes way more sense to only pay for usage as you need it, and let someone else handle all the bullshit maintenance, garaging, etc. This doesn't help that much because everybody still wants to drive to work at the same time
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Bad With Autonomy 2019 https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-owners-left-stranded-app-down-for-maintenance-2019-9 quote:A flurry of Twitter users complained Monday night and early Tuesday that they were locked out of their Tesla cars and left stranded after its app stopped working. BMan posted:This doesn't help that much because everybody still wants to drive to work at the same time That's okay, within ten years all these computers and modern communications will yield a paperless office that lets everybody work from home and videoconference instead of having to attend meetings.
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Sep 3, 2019 21:09
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BMan posted:This doesn't help that much because everybody still wants to drive to work at the same time People don’t get stuck in traffic, they are traffic.
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Sep 3, 2019 21:12
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Hey guys do you think that in any way, self-driving cars, or the lack thereof, could be considered Bad With Money? please feel free to let this conversation topic grow organically Looking at Uber's and Tesla's financial statements suggest that yes, it is very bad with money. Tho in this case it is other people's money so maybe it gets a pass
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BMan posted:This doesn't help that much because everybody still wants to drive to work at the same time Traffic is a problem because of human drivers doing stupid poo poo. True the volume won't change, but it will be massively more efficient if every car on the road is communicating with each other and planning its route in coordination with every other car. Merging, lane changes, exits, etc. will all be seamless. Sure it won't be 90mph all the time during rush hour, but things will move MUCH smoother.
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