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Or just roll some d10s against a set of tables to generate the world you're setting your story in. Foolproof!
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EvilTaytoMan posted:Does Klingonese break the UT then since a lot of it goes untranslated most of the time? Nothing about the universal translator makes any sense ever. One of the stock lines that was always weird to me was when Picard ordered somebody to transmit something on all frequencies in all known languages, and all I can imagine what that would be like is this explosion of unintelligable junk noise.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Nothing about the universal translator makes any sense ever. I doubt it was an analog transmission. They're counting on the recipients computer to sorry it all out. https://youtu.be/Wbr3SU0pmqc
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In retrospect, that might be why the space whale communication signal was boiling earth.
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bull3964 posted:It's almost as if First Contact isn't a very good movie #generationsisthebesttngmovieanditsdownhillfromthere. Pretty much all the TNG movies are varying degrees of bad, but First Contact is the most watchable, requiring you to pay real attention while it's on to figure out why it sucks.
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I love the Power Glove, Quark, it's so bad.
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Astroman posted:Just because the Lone Genius archetype is Unfair to those who can only achieve on teams, doesn't mean those people don't actually exist. They aren't the only ones who change history or develop science, but they aren't some myth either. It's sort of a plot point of the movie. If Earth's first contact were the result of a team of 500 scientists, mathematicians, engineers, technicians, manufacturers, and janitors on a massive project at some NASA installation, the Borg wouldn't have been able to surgically change history--imagine trying to kill one guy to stop the US from developing the atomic bomb or the Russians from putting a man in space. It would have just happened anyway. So you're saying that Cochrane's weird impossible contradictory existence makes sense because the borg need it to, well that's not even true either, you can just nuke the whole town. Most the borg managed to do was knock a stuntman off his bike. Lone Geniuses who invent big revolutionary things don't really exist, and never have, they're a myth invented by self promoting people. The famous classical example is Leonardo, who was literally just a painter who thought of himself as an ideas guy, and got no further than that, because the other thousands of people who he'd need to actually implement any of his ideas hadn't been born yet. You get more into the modern era and you meet Edison and Musk, two very stupid camera hogging people who take the credit for large teams of people working under them. Even if you look at a Pair of Geniuses like the Wright brothers, all you find is they just attached an (admittedly rather bespoke) engine to a winged glider, itself a fifty year old invention at the time. If there's ever an award for Most Fictional Character then Tony Stark will win it every year. I'll say if he did go get to be a doctor before the war then it's pulled out the writers rear end, and just another thing on the pile that doesn't make sense about his characterization. I can't see it at all. 8one6 posted:We do that poo poo with Earth stuff all the time, like Corinthian leather, Turkish coffee, Australian rules football... Always thought it was bold of Chrysler to import leather from ancient greece
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I bet there's a really good Star Trek episode in deconstructing the great man theory of history Too bad we'll probably never get it
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Tighclops posted:I bet there's a really good Star Trek episode in deconstructing the great man theory of history “Requiem for Methuselah”. all Great Men are the same guy, who is also a creepy Prospero-figure who can’t abide human society and whose final life goal was to create a beautiful but emotionally incompetent younger woman for himself to bang.
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Holy gently caress you're right, this show really does have all the answers doesn't it
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I wish there more episodes with Vic Fontaine, I would absolutely watch a season of just nothing but the Star trek crew getting into shenanigans with that guy.
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Pixeltendo posted:I wish there more episodes with Vic Fontaine, I would absolutely watch a season of just nothing but the Star trek crew getting into shenanigans with that guy. I hated him and hated his episodes for not being starship battles when it first aired and I was dumber. Now he's one of my favorite parts of the show and his episodes are generally much needed breaks from (and commentary on) the pew pew
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I didn't mind Vic. But like several other things in DS9, I thought they milked it a bit too much; especially near the end. The Nog PTSD episode, though, was well written and one of Vic's finest hours.
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This reminds me of a character from the New Frontier books. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.
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skasion posted:“Requiem for Methuselah”. all Great Men are the same guy, who is also a creepy Prospero-figure who can’t abide human society and whose final life goal was to create a beautiful but emotionally incompetent younger woman for himself to bang. Lol I'm just after watching that episode and I couldn't get over how creepy Kirk was acting in that episode too.
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Vic Fontaine is a pretty good example of what DS9 is all about vs. other Treks, for better or worse. TNG laid the groundwork for the idea and if they had gone all the way with it, it probably would've been approached very differently, exploring the moral and scientific ramifications of such a life form. Voyager tried to go all the way with the idea, but was ultimately ill-equipped to do so. DS9 threw it in because they felt like it, and mostly shrugged off all the sciency questions it raises in favor of just focusing on how the characters interacted with the hologram. DS9's approach works for the show it is, but I admit it isn't very Trekky.
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Sir Lemming posted:Vic Fontaine is a pretty good example of what DS9 is all about vs. other Treks, for better or worse. TNG laid the groundwork for the idea and if they had gone all the way with it, it probably would've been approached very differently, exploring the moral and scientific ramifications of such a life form. Voyager tried to go all the way with the idea, but was ultimately ill-equipped to do so. DS9 threw it in because they felt like it, and mostly shrugged off all the sciency questions it raises in favor of just focusing on how the characters interacted with the hologram. But the science answers would have been made up for the episode bullshit and probably retconned something else anyway, who needs it? Vick mystifying O'Brien and Big is pretty great.
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Pretty rude autocorrect of "Nog," imo.
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CPColin posted:Pretty rude autocorrect of "Nog," imo. LMAO I guess that's what it is. I typed it out by hand but I have an overzealous autocorrect New phone. Who dis? N O G
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Big Nog tryna get a leg prostheezy
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SlothfulCobra posted:A lot of that's because of the big scope. If you jump out to a big interstellar galactic scale, writers aren't going to have the patience for figuring out multi-state planets or diversity within species. "Smaller" scale stories that take place all over a single planet have more freedom to branch out into more realistically sized states, but for some reason when writers have the freedom to jump between planets, they just can't stop. It makes sense for places that are just a single outpost on a planet, but not for a supposedly globe-spanning society.. But anyway, the implication is that planetary unity just seems to be a predictable feature of space faring societies, specifically one that are in the Federation. And I kind of buy it. Either you have an extremely imperialistic society like the Klingons or just a very peaceful society like the Vulcans, but regardless, it's pretty predictable that your people have to in some way come together if you're going to get over the initial hump of actually building a warp drive. I think the lack of exploration of species living in Klingon and Romulan Space is a bit weird though.
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They should have had Nog roll up his leg sleeve and it's clearly a human leg: "This was the only one they had in my size!"
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:They should have had Nog roll up his leg sleeve and it's clearly a human leg: "This was the only one they had in my size!" Running gag where he keeps turning up with a different leg.
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Thodos.
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Timeless Appeal posted:But anyway, the implication is that planetary unity just seems to be a predictable feature of space faring societies, specifically one that are in the Federation. And I kind of buy it. Either you have an extremely imperialistic society like the Klingons or just a very peaceful society like the Vulcans, but regardless, it's pretty predictable that your people have to in some way come together if you're going to get over the initial hump of actually building a warp drive. The implication from Trek definitely seems to be that the reason we don't see multinational planets in Trek is because any species with space faring technology that are that inept at getting along with each other will inevitably destroy themselves.
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Sash! posted:Running gag where he keeps turning up with a different leg. Vic keeps cutting them off and hiding them in the ceiling.
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Senor Tron posted:The implication from Trek definitely seems to be that the reason we don't see multinational planets in Trek is because any species with space faring technology that are that inept at getting along with each other will inevitably destroy themselves. Cool. Cool.
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AlBorlantern Corps posted:I'd like Klingons have set their translators not to translate their own language, and to interfere with others. If Trek leaned a little more into the fantasy part of Science Fantasy it'd work perfectly. Some parts of Trek already do that (warp works by making a warp bubble, it is dangerous and explosive; Literally Everything About The Prophets, Betazoid superpowers) and others don't so much; and unfortunately for the single most important plot device, the universal translator has a purely science explanation. It takes what you're saying and translates it to the language of the recipient through computers. Unfortunately, depending on the room, that could be at least 8 or 9 different languages, and as any bilingual person will tell you, that is not at ALL how language works. Nobody would get the same context, and definitely not from a machine doing it. Not to mention the Klingon thing. "I am experiencing Ni'POH. The feeling that I have done this before" "Yeah we have that too but we call it deja vu." There's no real reason that the computer wouldn't just translate "Ni'poh" unless it knows not to do so ahead of time. The universal translator just needs to be partially telepathic, like the Doctor Who explanation. Unfortunately it's just "oh yeah google translate got really good dont worry about it" but people like me WILL worry about it because there's no fantasy explanation to make us switch off the nitpick neurons.
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The universal translator being unexplained is probably a good choice, but I believe in TOS it actually was described as basically telepathic.
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Disco has an ep where the UT goes nuts and it's kinda fun. Still doesn't make sense.
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The universal translator is obviously context sensitive. If Picard is talking to someone in English* and drops a 'Qapla'' in the middle of it the UT is going to leave it as is. Or if someone is talking about cooking and drops in a huevos rancheros, the UT isn't going to spit out "ranch eggs". *During the Eugenics Wars, while Kahn was busy with Asia an extremely British augment took over Europe and eliminated French as anything but an accent and academic relic like Latin.
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curiousTerminal posted:The whole point of the universal translator is that everyone is ALWAYS speaking their own language, all the time. I sometimes wish a show would go all-in on this premise and have almost everyone ADR themselves over obviously different spoken dialog.
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The UT gets even crazier when you consider how it deals with music and poetry. The best thing is to just fall back to the "How does it work? It works very well" line.
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:I sometimes wish a show would go all-in on this premise and have almost everyone ADR themselves over obviously different spoken dialog. One of the cool things about Beyond was how the lapel-mounted UTs would output "English" in response to the speaker's native tongue, which you could hear/see lip movements for "under" the UT vocalization. Of course this was dropped 10 minutes in for legit plot reasons but there was more reasonable thought about that bit than the whole of Into Darkness.
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