UKMT September 2019 - A Fish-Abandoning Government

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Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Chuka Umana posted:

Keir Starmer is saying labour wont vote for an election

Not right now, obviously not. They'll consider it after hamstringing BoJo from doing a default-hard-Brexit through being a oval office and prorogueing.

When the turkey is trussed up, then they'll consider it very positively.

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mehall: Aug 27, 2010

Chuka Umana posted:

Keir Starmer is saying labour wont vote for an election

Until the extension is through.

Media is taking the biscuit on this, every opposition party ahs agreed to get the extension done then call the election, but only Labour are getting branded as "not wanting an election".

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:42

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Chuka Umana posted:

Keir Starmer is saying labour wont vote for an election

They won't vote for an election on Johnson's timetable, because that would allow him to sneak around the no-no-deal bill coming forward this afternoon.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:42

Convex: Aug 19, 2010

"the right honourable Jeremy"

Edit: listened 3 times, he definitely said it

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:43

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Chuka Umana posted:

Keir Starmer is saying labour wont vote for an election

No he's not. Why would you want to give Boris an election on his terms? Delay Brexit, ideally stop it, then go to the polls.

https://twitter.com/imbadatlife/status/1169209997672271873?s=20

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:43

UnlimitedSpessmans: Jul 31, 2015

Chuka Umana posted:

Keir Starmer is saying labour wont vote for an election

They need to extend the deadline first, the vote today will force boris to go beg the eu for one lol

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:44

Scikar: Nov 20, 2005; 5? Seriously?

Hentai Jihadist posted:

im not really sure why hes pretending hes looking for a deal, who is that for?

the hardcore brexfreaks hes courting are fine with no deal
parliament already hates him
nobody else buys it

its weird its like there are two halves to bojos admin where one half is pretending to support a deal in order to NDB and the other half is pretending to support NDB in order to do a deal and neither side knows what the actual plan is

i guess we had a similar thing with May where everything she said about her brexit deal was absolute nonsense and everyone in the world knew it but for some reason they keep up the pretense

It's aimed at parts of the electorate who only read the headlines. His electoral platform will be "I'm really sorry to have to ask you to vote in an election again, and I'm really sorry that we haven't Brexited yet, and I'm also really sorry that it turns out we don't have a deal because the nasty EU refused to negotiate with us, please vote for me and I'll sort it all out". Anyone who is paying attention knows he's lying, but anyone paying attention has already decided which way they will vote.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:44

UnlimitedSpessmans: Jul 31, 2015

Boris going to the typical slander playbook

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:46

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Also, in case you were wondering how these last 48 hours are going down across the Channel:

quote:

As new political tumult unfolded in London on Tuesday, senior EU officials and diplomats insisted they remain open to new proposals from the U.K. that might salvage an agreement. But they insisted even more strongly they would not blink if Prime Minister Boris Johnson forces them to choose between scrapping the "backstop" provision on the Ireland border or accepting the economic harm of a no-deal scenario.

"There has been no change in our position on the matter," the European Commission's chief spokeswoman, Mina Andreeva, visibly exasperated, said at a news conference in response to a question about potential willingness to change or abandon the backstop provision.

Calling a no-deal departure "a very distinct possibility," Andreeva said the Commission was still waiting for the British side to make proposals on alternatives to the backstop provision, which would similarly safeguard the integrity of the EU's single market.

"I can't report any concrete proposals having been made that we have seen," she said, in reply to a question about whether there had been any new idea put forward from London. "We are not insisting now on having anything on paper," Andreeva added hopefully. "It can be digital as well."

[...]

Protecting the single market is of such paramount importance that EU leaders have long said they would sooner suffer the brutal consequences of a no deal than allow a breach.

It is a point that many British officials have been reluctant to accept, but one that the EU's chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, reiterated in an op-ed in the Sunday Telegraph this week.

"On the EU side, we had intense discussions with EU member states on the need to guarantee the integrity of the EU�s single market, while keeping that border fully open," Barnier wrote. "In this sense, the backstop is the maximum amount of flexibility that the EU can offer to a non-member state."

On Wednesday, the Commission is expected to approve a proposal that would give EU27 countries access to up to �500 million a year in disaster money to help cope with the economic fallout of a no-deal scenario � funds typically used for natural catastrophes like forest fires.

[...]

In the meantime, EU diplomats say there is no prospect of the bloc dropping its brightest of red lines, the backstop, as Johnson has demanded.

"The backstop is essential," said one diplomat, adding that British officials demanding a fudge were refusing to face reality.

"That's like asking can you be a bit pregnant," the diplomat said. "The rules of the single market are the rules of the single market."

At the same time, EU officials have expressed anger at assertions by U.K. ministers � including Johnson himself � that the backstop is "anti-democratic" because the U.K. would be required to follow EU customs rules while no longer having a say in making those rules.

[...]

"So far we haven't heard any concrete proposal for these alternative arrangements," said one EU diplomat, adding: "We're not restarting negotiations."

https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-resigns-itself-to-no-deal-brexit-boris-johnson/

Like a bucket of cold sick. And the EU is way more ready for NDB than Gove will ever be.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:46

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

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Sanitary Naptime posted:

BizarroAzrael posted:

https://twitter.com/VauxhallLabour/status/1168830751607021568?s=19

Ayyyy lmao

painted into a coroner posted:

A warm welcome for the Liberal Democrats 16th MP!

Nah she'll join UKIP the original champions of the people (die BXP splitter scum)

Charlz Guybon posted:

They lost by 27 votes, why is it marked as -43?

I'm an American, so I'm sure I'm missing something obvious.

Pfeffy's conservatives and DUP lackeys lost 22 MPs (going from +1 to -43), but during the actual vote some randos nobody cares about decided to be assholes and vote for chaos along the government.

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Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

drat i watched PMQs for 30 minutes and it abraded away all my hope like sand stripping bones clean

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:48

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

Wait are they still planning on voting on the no no deal legislation today?

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Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

gently caress Singh Dhesi is spitting fire

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Convex: Aug 19, 2010

Barry Foster posted:

gently caress Singh Dhesi is spitting fire

Wow this is a hell of a question :stare:

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:51

Henry Black: Jun 27, 2004; If she's not making this face, you're not doing it right.; Fun Shoe

Applause and cheers for Dhesi calling for Boris to apologise. How unparliamentary!

Edit: No apology. "Some of my best family were Muslims"

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:51

Nuclear Spoon: Aug 18, 2010; I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1169211360003141633

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1169211558800629764

why do this

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:51

Aipsh: Feb 17, 2006; GLUPP SHITTO FAN CLUB PRESIDENT

Barry Foster posted:

gently caress Singh Dhesi is spitting fire

Wut he say

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:51

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

loving brilliant performance, that

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:51

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Chuka Umana posted:

Wait are they still planning on voting on the no no deal legislation today?

They have to, yesterday was only about changing the agenda so that vote could take place today.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:51

biglads: Feb 21, 2007; I could've gone to Blatherwycke

"We truly reflect modern Britain." - a thing that Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in 2019 whilst within 5 feet of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:52

Convex: Aug 19, 2010

Aidan_702 posted:

Wut he say

Boris is an unapologetic racist

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Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

Barry Foster posted:

gently caress Singh Dhesi is spitting fire

Yeah loving hell!

Of course, Johnson is deflecting with the predicted "B-but Labour antisemitism!", and "Oh, well actually, I've got muslim ancestors so it's fine".

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:53

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Aidan_702 posted:

Wut he say

Absolutely ripped Johnson on his blatant racism, with full righteous indignation

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:53

biglads: Feb 21, 2007; I could've gone to Blatherwycke

Nuclear Spoon posted:

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1169211360003141633

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1169211558800629764

why do this

Nationalism brain worms

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:53

FiftySeven: Jan 1, 2006; I WON THE BETTING POOL ON TESSAS THIRD STUPID VOTE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS HALF-ASSED TITLE; Slippery Tilde

biglads posted:

"We truly reflect modern Britain." - a thing that Prime Minister Boris Johnson said in 2019 whilst within 5 feet of Jacob Rees-Mogg.

If they do then that is a damning indictment against modern Britain which to be fair, is pretty well deserved at this point...

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minema: May 31, 2011

Isn't PMQs usually an opposition question and then a softball question following? Doesn't seem to be happening today

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UnlimitedSpessmans: Jul 31, 2015

minema posted:

Isn't PMQs usually an opposition question and then a softball question following? Doesn't seem to be happening today

It was dunks all around and frankly I'm glad

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:56

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Fair play to Jo Swinson for calling de Pfeffel out on that bullshit answer to TSD.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:56

Barry Foster: Dec 24, 2007; What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Tesseraction posted:

Fair play to Jo Swinson for calling de Pfeffel out on that bullshit answer to TSD.

Yeah.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:58

biglads: Feb 21, 2007; I could've gone to Blatherwycke

Tesseraction posted:

Fair play to Jo Swinson for calling de Pfeffel out on that bullshit answer to TSD.

Libdems prefer their racism to be a little more genteel

# ? Sep 4, 2019 12:58

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Graun Live mostly lamenting Boris being a lying oval office, but high priase for Jam pa:

quote:

Corbyn focused on a no-deal Brexit, and the government�s refusal to publish details of its Operation Yellowhammer assessment. He was dignified and forensic, and grown up in a way that put Johnson to shame. Although Tory MPs were cheering Johnson enthusiastically, they must have know then.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 13:00

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Jedit posted:

I'd rather see Mogg as Marat in his bath, if we're doing that era of art.

Uuuh that's a good one.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 13:00

Small Strange Bird: Sep 22, 2006; Merci, chaton!

Johnson claiming the only way to avoid No Deal is to *not* vote for the bill that would avoid No Deal was, uh, a hell of a thing. Forget HIGNFY; he should be on Strictly with twists like that.

# ? Sep 4, 2019 13:01

Nuclear Spoon: Aug 18, 2010; I want to cry out
but I don’t scream and I don’t shout
And I feel so proud
to be alive

really phenomenal stuff

https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1169216562441666560

# ? Sep 4, 2019 13:02

Chuka Umana: Apr 30, 2019; by sebmojo

Hell yea.

Dumb British Blonde Gets Humiliated and Dominated by Old Marxist and all his friends!!!

# ? Sep 4, 2019 13:03

coffeetable: Feb 5, 2006; TELL ME AGAIN HOW GREAT BRITAIN WOULD BE IF IT WAS RULED BY THE MERCILESS JACKBOOT OF PRINCE CHARLES

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Nuclear Spoon posted:

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1169211360003141633

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1169211558800629764

why do this

the polls say they'd sweep the board in scotland right now, their main opposition at home is labour, and a no-deal exit would be simultaneously very bad for scotland and very good for scottish nationalism

# ? Sep 4, 2019 13:04

RockyB: Mar 8, 2007; Dog Therapy: Shockingly Good

Sajid Javid getting bodied repeatedly for going off topic. Stick to talking about money.

EDIT: He just keeps bloody going. 10 minutes in and he's still going on about 'Labours recession' and not given a single actual detail of a spending plan.

RockyB fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Sep 4, 2019

# ? Sep 4, 2019 13:07