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TheRat posted:Holy moly McDonnell is on form bump_fn posted:he's so good yeah him outright pointing out that this is political posturing cynically picked out of opinion polling
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ShadowSpectre posted:"Mr Speaker, I believe the right honorable member for uxbridge is shouting at me... the last person he shouted at had to call the police... maybe we might have to do it here too?" - John “Based God” McDonnell 
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Red Oktober posted:https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmagenda/OP190904.pdf Why are prayers at the top of the list? I thought it was the US that had the religious lunatics.
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Goddamn McDonnell is just laying fire. The Shadow Chancellor of my Heart.
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AceOfFlames posted:Why are prayers at the top of the list? I thought it was the US that had the religious lunatics. my dude have you heard of the DUP
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Given labour need to get an extension I'm quite happy to let boris roll around in his own poo poo until we can 
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bump_fn posted:my dude have you heard of the DUP Sure but why is prayer in the OFFICIAL SCHEDULE? The INSTITUTION should not have anything to do with religion.
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AceOfFlames posted:Why are prayers at the top of the list? I thought it was the US that had the religious lunatics. AceOfFlames posted:Sure but why is prayer in the OFFICIAL SCHEDULE? The INSTITUTION should not have anything to do with religion. The UK has a state religion and the queen is the head of it. Also four (I think) of its bishops get seats in government.
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OwlFancier posted:The UK has a state religion and the queen is the head of it. Also four (I think) of its bishops get seats in government. Fair enough. Still dumb. Sorry, religion combined with government is one of my pet peeves. Dunno what it says about me that of everything in House of Cards, what truly made me physically disgusted is that one bit in the first episode where Frank and all those politicians are attending church together.
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AceOfFlames posted:Sure but why is prayer in the OFFICIAL SCHEDULE? The INSTITUTION should not have anything to do with religion. lol don't ever google the lords spiritual
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AceOfFlames posted:Sure but why is prayer in the OFFICIAL SCHEDULE? The INSTITUTION should not have anything to do with religion. We have a state church which our head of state is in charge of. The people here are less wacko religious as a whole, but institutionally far more intertwined.
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The UK is literally a christian nation, it's just not particularly observant.
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AceOfFlames posted:Why are prayers at the top of the list? I thought it was the US that had the religious lunatics. It's prayers, mate, not witch burnings. Lunacy is not required.
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OwlFancier posted:The UK is literally a christian nation, it's just not particularly observant. I dunno, we were still following the Christian tradition of invading the Middle East until relatively recently
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OwlFancier posted:The UK is literally a christian nation, it's just not particularly observant. How antisemitic
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As I understand it 'prayers' in the morning are mainly an opportunity to bag the prime seats for you and your mates because our parliament is structured and mostly populated by public schoolboys
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Tsaedje posted:As I understand it 'prayers' in the morning are mainly an opportunity to bag the prime seats for you and your mates because our parliament is structured and mostly populated by public schoolboys I remember when the SNP first popped en masse in 2015 they got into a small war with Dennis Skinner over the prime hectoring spot for the opposition
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It's another one of those things that despite the US going to great lengths to protest its separation of church and state we're still better at it in practice despite literally giving the church seats in the lords.
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AceOfFlames posted:Sure but why is prayer in the OFFICIAL SCHEDULE? The INSTITUTION should not have anything to do with religion. lol are you forgetting we have bishops setting in the house of lords and Parliament literally controls many aspects of the Church of England
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AceOfFlames posted:Why are prayers at the top of the list? I thought it was the US that had the religious lunatics. Because we live in hope that the front bench may one day consider the actual content of the main prayer: "Lord, the God of righteousness and truth, grant to our Queen and her government, to Members of Parliament and all in positions of responsibility, the guidance of your Spirit. May they never lead the nation wrongly through love of power, desire to please, or unworthy ideals but laying aside all private interests and prejudices keep in mind their responsibility to seek to improve the condition of all mankind; so may your kingdom come and your name be hallowed. Amen."
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Bristol peeps, this is happening on Friday and will probably vibe with UKMT attitudes. I hope to be there myself if my mental health has sorted itself out by then.Bristol Rise For Democracy posted:This will be the second assembly of its type in Bristol.
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Church of England wants to appoint female bishops? Yep Parliament has to give it the okay. You can make the argument for disestablishment and everyone in NI and Wales will quietly wonder why you haven't bothered already
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OwlFancier posted:The UK is literally a christian nation, it's just not particularly observant.
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McDonnell might not be the most powerful speaker but he just seems so genuine and invested in what he's saying. I think it makes a good contrast to the shiny Tories saying whatever the line of the week is.
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minema posted:McDonnell might not be the most powerful speaker but he just seems so genuine and invested in what he's saying. I think it makes a good contrast to the shiny Tories saying whatever the line of the week is. I dunno who writes for him, but that person deserves a big raise. That was great.
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not touching NI, I think they still haven't found the last person who tried to establish a state religion there. The state religion of NI is Fleg
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Guavanaut posted:England is officially, Wales waived that quite recently (1920s), and Scotland struck it ages ago due to the king trying to force bishops on their Kirk or the wrong kind of bishops or something. I'm not touching NI, I think they still haven't found the last person who tried to establish a state religion there. The church of Ireland was disestablished in 1869 after being split off from the Church of England (they merged for a few decades post Union)
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kustomkarkommando posted:lol are you forgetting we have bishops setting in the house of lords and Parliament literally controls many aspects of the Church of England I'm not British.
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Bercow slapping eggman down again.
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AceOfFlames posted:I'm not British. Well we do, the church of England is a state church much like Denmark or Norway
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god I loving hate javid, want to watch this foul oval office burned in acid
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Don't you live in Norway lol?
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A couple of my meltier friends are somewhat down on Corbyn (and like Yvette Cooper  ) but they were both super enthusiastic about McDonnell. No, I don't get it either, but it's probably further proof that he would be a decent successor to Corbyn.
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OwlFancier posted:Don't you live in Norway lol? No. I have family there, though. Also had no idea they had a state Church. VVV Guess not, lol AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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kustomkarkommando posted:Well we do, the church of England is a state church much like Denmark or Norway* *Norway no longer has a state church as of 2012, because what the gently caress even is that poo poo. Unacceptable.
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AceOfFlames posted:Fair enough. Still dumb. Parliament is a mediaeval institution. They've being saying prayers in parliament since the days when the next order of business was to legislate for people to be burned at the stake for liking/not liking the Pope. Our government rather predates that 'separation of church and state' idea, that was one of the things the yanks didn't like about it. See also: separation of powers, which we don't have, as Parliament is currently literally proving. Our supreme court only stopped being a subset of the House of Lords like a decade ago, even.
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AceOfFlames posted:No. I have family* there, though. *nobody has family in Norway we all detest eachother as equals. Familial attachment is done via a 3067-B form with the tax authority.
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How do you do your sectarianism without a state church?
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