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Mendrian posted:How can the entire Trump family insist on wearing suits but none of them employ a tailor. For real. They look like me at my first job interview wearing my grandpa's hand me down suit. Edit-gently caress 
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My actual thoughts on that are to regulate ammo instead of trying to regulate guns. Only able to be purchased at a firing range, for use on that range. Guns have to be checked for remaining ammo when you leave. If you make it really hard to get bullets, you make it really hard to kill people with guns. If it makes anyone feel better, I know a staunch Republican that told me last week "At this point, I'm ready to give up the guns. Bow hunting is more fun anyways." 
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hidden_msg posted:Interestingly in Dave Chappelle's new special this is a point he makes with one of his jokes. That there is no meaningful way to disarm dangerous white folk. When I thought about this I realized he isn't wrong. I am sure a gun buyback program coupled with making some parts and accessories rarer could move the needle a bit but I just don't see folks who have M4 Carbines or ARs giving them up at all. I mean frankly speaking, they're not the problem and you don't really have to do anything. Like, yeah, the guy with 100+ guns in their basement who keeps talking about revolution might be unsettling, but with a handful of exceptions those people aren't the ones going out and committing mass shootings.
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KillHour posted:My actual thoughts on that are to regulate ammo instead of trying to regulate guns. Only able to be purchased at a firing range, for use on that range. Guns have to be checked for remaining ammo when you leave. If you make it really hard to get bullets, you make it really hard to kill people with guns.: All the same legal problems, even harder to regulate.
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KillHour posted:My actual thoughts on that are to regulate ammo instead of trying to regulate guns. Only able to be purchased at a firing range, for use on that range. Guns have to be checked for remaining ammo when you leave. If you make it really hard to get bullets, you make it really hard to kill people with guns. any extensive regulation of ammo in the way you suggest would just be de facto gun regulation even if not de jure, and would run up against the same (potential) set of second amendment problems.
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Sep 4, 2019 15:32
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Personally I think people underestimate how quickly "common sense" can change because the current version of it has been enforced for 40+ years. Which incase it wasnt obvious is not normal.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean frankly speaking, they're not the problem and you don't really have to do anything. Like, yeah, the guy with 100+ guns in their basement who keeps talking about revolution might be unsettling, but with a handful of exceptions those people aren't the ones going out and committing mass shootings. Uhhh We don't know for sure, but that appears to be exactly what the Vegas shooter was
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Ginette Reno posted:Eric has his Dad's fat rear end and bad posture and Don JR has a weird body where he's got long spindly arms but no shoulders. That’s because you know dad yelled and slapped at them for years about body language and power moves and whatnot.
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Ginette Reno posted:Eric has his Dad's fat rear end and bad posture and Don JR has a weird body where he's got long spindly arms but no shoulders. Don Jr is just fat. Dude probably spends all day eating and drinking poo poo. I have a former coworker who's a turbo chud and also super into lifting. He posts memes on social media making fun of people who lift wrong or complain about the gym. He also seems to really love Don Jr as a masculine aspiration. Chuds are fuckin dumb.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I mean frankly speaking, they're not the problem and you don't really have to do anything. Like, yeah, the guy with 100+ guns in their basement who keeps talking about revolution might be unsettling, but with a handful of exceptions those people aren't the ones going out and committing mass shootings. Well if you let that environment persist. If I am a bad actor the easiest way for me to get a semi auto weapon is to make friends with a person who has a gun and then convince them to let me borrow it or steal it. So I am not sure you can just preserve them in some sort of legal bubble and expect for things to change.
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eke out posted:any extensive regulation of ammo in the way you suggest would just be de facto gun regulation even if not de jure, and would run up against the same (potential) set of second amendment problems. On top of that, reloading shotgun shells is actually pretty easy and can be done at home with equipment that’s found in an antique store, some gunpowder, some sort of shot of choice and a small food scale. Shotguns don’t have the range of rifles but are just as horribly dangerous, so we’d just see rashes of shotgun-based shootings instead.
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Ripoff posted:On top of that, reloading shotgun shells is actually pretty easy and can be done at home with equipment that’s found in an antique store, some gunpowder, some sort of shot of choice and a small food scale. I can't imagine a Vegas, VT, or otherwise large scale mass shooting with a shotgun & home filled shells working quite as planned. Otoh, we'd just see more homemade bombs or IEDs or whatever.
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hidden_msg posted:I grew up in and around the swamps of Louisiana and I can tell you folks down the bayou are different. It is a whole other world and the cops don't patrol there. Some are probably afraid because most cajun folks don't particularly like cops or trust the government. These are people with acres of land 30+ rifles and will bury them in places then surround it with booby traps. Who know how to modify the m4 carbine to make it fully automatic. And those aren't even the crazy ones. This is just the environment you grow up in. This is honestly fine, though. Like, if we got to the point where people were either handing their guns in or literally burying them in their yards then I'd call that a victory. You won't get every gun, but we're at least making positive steps if we can limit access and make it more difficult and risky for shooters to transport an arsenal to their preferred locations.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1169255063476457472 https://mobile.twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1169258314087194625 Edit: stupid comment and apologize for saying it Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Ripoff posted:On top of that, reloading shotgun shells is actually pretty easy and can be done at home with equipment that’s found in an antique store, some gunpowder, some sort of shot of choice and a small food scale. Nobody is going to be nearly as lethal with a shotgun as they are an AR15. It's still horrific, but shotguns don't have 100 round magazines and aren't semi auto most of the time. Reloading shotgun shells is actually not hard, and is cheaper than buying new. If people had to load their own shells there would be a barrier to entry at least. Also shotguns have a legitimate defense and hunting purpose that an AR simply doesn't. What I'm saying is that if we only allowed shotguns it would be a drastic improvement over the status quo.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Something people do not think of when it comes to the barbaric kidnaping going on by ICE. "this is doing permanent damage to children" is something folks have been shouting since day one of the family separation policy
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Nobody is going to be nearly as lethal with a shotgun as they are an AR15. It's still horrific, but shotguns don't have 100 round magazines and aren't semi auto most of the time. 
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Also shotguns have a legitimate defense and hunting purpose that an AR simply doesn't. 5.56 is also generally much safer for use indoors due to its tendency to fragment and tumble rather than plow through walls like buck or slugs.
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theflyingorc posted:Uhhh That is the biggest exception, but it is an exception. hidden_msg posted:Well if you let that environment persist. If I am a bad actor the easiest way for me to get a semi auto weapon is to make friends with a person who has a gun and then convince them to let me borrow it or steal it. So I am not sure you can just preserve them in some sort of legal bubble and expect for things to change. The way I look at it is that machine guns are still technically legal, but they're so restricted and such a pain in the rear end to get ahold of that nobody who has one is just going to lend one out. Give most semi-autos the same treatment, and the same thing will happen-supply drops over time while costs rise, making them harder and harder to get, and no one is going to be willing to lend them out because the criminal penalties are so severe, and because they're legitimate investments. Frankly speaking we don't even need to ban anything, just throw semi-autos under NFA Title II (same restrictions as MGs), make hi-cap mags NFA items, and restrict the production of new weapons, and that takes care of 90% of the problem.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1169258314087194625 As a parent of young children, this is practically the ONLY thing I think about when it comes to the family separations. These kids are getting absolutely shattered by a system they cannot comprehend. On my younger daughter's third birthday, a NYT front page story was about a two year old representing herself in immigration court and it loving broke me completely.
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1169249774526185478 Dan Crenshaw really loves getting dunked on on Twitter....
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ummel posted:Otoh, we'd just see more homemade bombs or IEDs or whatever. This is what I'm talking about. Brothers and Sisters, what have they done to you that you don't even know it?
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Nth Doctor posted:As a parent of young children, this is practically the ONLY thing I think about when it comes to the family separations. These kids are getting absolutely shattered by a system they cannot comprehend. same i mean this without any malice at all, but a take like "folks don't consider the impact that separating a young child from their parents has on the child's emotional health" is a take that can only come from someone who doesn't have kids. for parents it is screamingly obvious
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1169249774526185478 What else is he going to do with them after kidnapping them via balloon?
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Nth Doctor posted:As a parent of young children, this is practically the ONLY thing I think about when it comes to the family separations. These kids are getting absolutely shattered by a system they cannot comprehend. loving same man. If you have any ability to do so please look into foster care. there are so many children that need a good family and home.
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I apologize for comment, I did not mean it in that way but I see how it came like that. 
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I think a lot of you really don't quite grasp how much the COME AND TAKE IT MOLON LABE DONT TREAD ON ME BROTHERRRRRRR poo poo is entrenched in the gun community. It's not just "the crazies", it is the culture. As much as I loath the screeching progeny of John McCain, she is correct in that any kind of confiscation operation would likely spark some kind of conflict within the US. To be clear, I have no idea what the solution is, and there are nearly 400 million guns owned by civilians within the US - but the Dems routinely don't have the loving spine to fight back against the GOP on matters that are far less likely to spark a goddamn second civil war, so 🤷♂️
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1169255063476457472 I think about it a lot. The way PTSD works, whether it be children or soldiers... Step 1: Traumatic event Step 2: post-traumatic, pre-sleep period Step 3: sleep Step 4: post-traumatic, post-sleep period If in step 2, after the traumatic experience and BEFORE FALLING ASLEEP (EARLY INTERVENTION IS KEY), the human being that suffered the traumatic event has a conversation with a caring sympathetic person, and the victim feels /heard/, and THEN moves on to step 3... you get a significant reduction in later PTSD symptoms. Like, an order of magnitude less. If you skip step 2, and send a traumatized person right to sleep, the sleep cycle just bakes it all in and it becomes a defining feature for that humans' experience /forever/. That early intervention, the soothing, the empathy, the sympathy, the listening and hearing, the feeling heard... that's how you stop PTSD. Instead there are children in cages drinking out of toilets infested with scabbies while the flu goes around and they're crying themselves to sleep unsoothed every night. This is /horrifying/. No act of legislature is required to immediate put an end to this machine. It's breaking humans.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:What I'm saying is that if we only allowed shotguns it would be a drastic improvement over the status quo. I agree with you 100% on shotguns being a huge improvement over what we have now, just trying to make the argument that regulating ammunition isn’t going to be sufficient enough to stop shootings in general. ummel posted:I can't imagine a Vegas, VT, or otherwise large scale mass shooting with a shotgun & home filled shells working quite as planned. We won’t see a Vegas or VT, sure, but there’s no questioning that a kid could walk into a tightly packed school cafeteria and commit an atrocity with a shotgun, which is unacceptable. As for the homemade bomb thing yeah, this is true. We’d suddenly see incels and former 8-channers getting a sudden interest in fertilizer and aluminum oxide. Thankfully though, bomb-making is hard and would be less successful, as evidenced by the Columbine shooters.
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Solving spree killings shouldn't be the primary goal of gun legislation in any case.
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my bony fealty posted:Don Jr is just fat. Dude probably spends all day eating and drinking poo poo. It's just really weird to see an adult male with no shoulders. Even if you don't work out you'd usually have some naturally but Don JR just....doesn't.
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Objurium posted:I think a lot of you really don't quite grasp how much the COME AND TAKE IT MOLON LABE DONT TREAD ON ME BROTHERRRRRRR poo poo is entrenched in the gun community. It's not just "the crazies", it is the culture. You start by reversing the otherization of their local government so when the local sheriff deputy says they need you to stand down you dont think its Jade Helm.
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Objurium posted:I think a lot of you really don't quite grasp how much the COME AND TAKE IT MOLON LABE DONT TREAD ON ME BROTHERRRRRRR poo poo is entrenched in the gun community. It's not just "the crazies", it is the culture. I'm totally fine with them having to figure out if their cop worship takes precedent over their gun worship.
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The gun people are already doing violence. Take their loving guns away.
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The Super-Id posted:The gun people are already doing violence. Take their loving guns away. I don't even like the just take away assault weapons poo poo. take it all away. if people want to shoot guns they can go do it at the range where it's supervised but gently caress anyone personally owning one.
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James Garfield posted:I don't remember where I saw it, but apparently when some of the white supremacist reddits were closed the posters there mostly didn't move to other white supremacist reddits or whatever the reddit version of gab is called, they just quit posting. This doesn’t surprise me, there’s an inherent parasocial aspect to this. If we closed Something Awful tomorrow, there would be offshoots and some people might gather and stick together, but most people probably wouldn’t because it’s hard to just replicate a community like that. There’s both a lack of legitimacy and the reality that not everyone likes everyone else enough to want to do that.
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