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Scott is way too anal to not know if X is Xavier or not. Come on.
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Saoshyant posted:If that's true, then Hickman is not doing a good job of distinguishing between X and the Maker. Everywhere I go online where people are discussing this run there's always some claiming X is the Maker. If it's setting up a fake out, then it's a very weird thing to set a fake out on. I don't know that the tendency of certain people to go "But they both have shiny metal helmets that cover half their faces they're clearly the same dude" is really on Hickman
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Aug 31, 2019 17:42
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:I don't know that the tendency of certain people to go "But they both have shiny metal helmets that cover half their faces they're clearly the same dude" is really on Hickman He's doing it on purpose and I think it's hilarious, personally.
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Aug 31, 2019 18:02
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I guess you could handwave it around with "well you know, he can change shape! And height and weight and voice, probably!" or whatever, but the Maker and Professor X in HoX are both just white dudes who have the top half of their heads covered. In comics, half of the characters are drawn by 90% of artists as interchangable Big Handsome White Dudes, it's easy to go "that could be anyone under that mask!" but within the 'real' world of comics, all of these people have known Xavier for years, decades, their entire adult lives.  The idea that Cyclops or Wolverine or Magneto or Jean Grey couldn't tell these nine dudes apart because part of their face is covered is absurd narratively. And these are just generic still photos, not someone walking around and talking and making different facial expressions and etc.
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Aug 31, 2019 18:08
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Plus Jean Grey is an Omega level telepath.
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Aug 31, 2019 18:15
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Edge & Christian posted:
Lol thanks for making this.
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Sep 1, 2019 03:18
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Edge & Christian posted:The idea that Cyclops or Wolverine or Magneto or Jean Grey couldn't tell these nine dudes apart because part of their face is covered is absurd narratively. The issue with saying this is that you're discussing superhero comics where all it takes a domino mask to render people unrecognizable to people who know them, let alone a full-face mask.
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Sep 1, 2019 03:40
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There’s no way he’s the Maker, but I’m sure he’d be able to mimic Xavier’s facial structure. Regardless, the helmeted mastermind look is pretty great.
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Sep 1, 2019 04:05
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ImpAtom posted:The issue with saying this is that you're discussing superhero comics where all it takes a domino mask to render people unrecognizable to people who know them, let alone a full-face mask. So far in HoX/PoX the only people we've seen interact personally with Xavier/"Professor X" (if you prefer) are Wolverine, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Magneto, and some mutant kids who don't know anything presumably. There's a big difference between "random Gotham citizen isn't entirely clear how many Robins there are" (something that is part of Comic Book Reality} and like... Alfred being shocked that Dick and Tim are two different people. And the Xavier Isn't Xavier hypothesis tends towards the latter, putting aside superhuman perception.  WHAT IS BLACK WIDOW DOING TURNING INTO IRON MAN, WHO ALSO HAS THOR'S HAMMER NOW? Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Sep 1, 2019 |
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Sep 1, 2019 05:58
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Edge & Christian posted:Is this really true, outside of bad comics? I get that the general public might go "oh it's someone in the Captain America costume, it must be Captain America!" but pretty much every single storyline with 'replacement character' involves someone being able to use normal human senses to determine that their friend [Batman/Daredevil/Captain America/etc.] has been replaced. I mean yes, absolutely. "Every Batman comic ever" relies on the idea that the international billionaire handsome playboy can't be recognized by comparing him to Batman despite the fact that literally every LA Batman shows us that of course you can. Even if you allow for the things comics love to use of "Of course I knew all along" (Lois/Aunt May and MJ/whatever) there are still plenty of examples of people just plain not figuring out the obvious. Like Jonah never figured out Peter was Spider-Man despite A) hearing the dude's voice all the time and B) The multiple scenes we see of Spider-Man with his mask half pulled up so he can eat or whatever, including scenes with Jonah. I mean this is true even of modern comics and modern characters. Ms. Marvel is an insanely identifiable young woman and her mask consists of less than a pair of sunglasses but only some of the people who should know managed to piece it together despite her face being prominently displayed and also existing in an era of social media where in reality it would take .3 seconds for some lovely blog to post her real identity for clicks, let alone the people who literally know her.
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Sep 1, 2019 06:11
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Ms Marvel is a children’s comic, so it’s not the great example you think it is. Further more, Xavier has been rocking the cerebro helmet for decades. It’s more likely the Maker stole his look from Xavier, and not the other way around. The hoxpox helmet looks like Xavier just wanted to add cyclop’s dumb X-face design to it. 
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Sep 1, 2019 12:38
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THIS THREAD: I don't find it realistic that a mask could hide anyone's identity! ALSO THIS THREAD: So Magneto uses his powers to rip all of the Adamantium out of Wolverine's body but it turns out his claws weren't given to him in the Weapon X procedure but were there all along and now he just has BONE CLAWS.
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Sep 1, 2019 12:54
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Well gently caress you guys for mentioning grand design, I've been binging on it all weekend. It's awesome.
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Sep 1, 2019 13:13
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New theory: the x-men got extremely good at identifying people by their chins after putting up with Cyclops’ terrible costume decisions for years.
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Sep 1, 2019 13:20
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It's a Hickman story, so it's way more likely that it's Doom under that helmet than Reed.
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Sep 1, 2019 14:52
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I think the whole Xavier's identity thing is a red herring really. Revealing Xavier to be secretly someone else just overcomplicates an already complex narrative. My wild theory on what a big reveal might be, which makes more and more sense now that I think about it, is that "Alia Gregor" = Moira MacTaggert... Like think about it, in Moira's lives, the one thing she didn't attempt is to try to infiltrate the Sentinel project herself. And she has a head full of data on Nimrod to do it. Fangz fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Sep 1, 2019 |
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Sep 1, 2019 15:46
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You are right that's too Scottish to be a coincidence
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Sep 1, 2019 16:56
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Apparently Rosenberg has said the X plotline has been dropped, so it's likely the masked Xavier isn't even meant to be Fantomex's body anymore either.
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Sep 1, 2019 23:05
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Aphrodite posted:Apparently Rosenberg has said the X plotline has been dropped, so it's likely the masked Xavier isn't even meant to be Fantomex's body anymore either. But it wasn't his story and this isn't his story (and I don't like him) so why would he know?
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Sep 2, 2019 00:11
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rantmo posted:But it wasn't his story and this isn't his story (and I don't like him) so why would he know? I guess yeah, Hickman could pick up up a bad story that was dropped 2 years ago if he wanted to but that’s kind of against everything he’s said he’s doing here.
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Sep 2, 2019 00:36
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Aphrodite posted:Yeah but has Jean ever been able to use the focused totality of her telekinetic powers to make a knife? Psylocke tought young jean grey how to make psychic/telekinetic weapons and all of young Jean's memories transferred to her so she should be able to make them if she wanted to. I think she made an axe or a mace or something like that. (sorry I am very late on this I was away for almost a month without internet at my in-laws when I wanted to reply and just remember this post to reply to.) 
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ImpAtom posted:I mean yes, absolutely. "Every Batman comic ever" relies on the idea that the international billionaire handsome playboy can't be recognized by comparing him to Batman despite the fact that literally every LA Batman shows us that of course you can. Even if you allow for the things comics love to use of "Of course I knew all along" (Lois/Aunt May and MJ/whatever) there are still plenty of examples of people just plain not figuring out the obvious. Like Jonah never figured out Peter was Spider-Man despite A) hearing the dude's voice all the time and B) The multiple scenes we see of Spider-Man with his mask half pulled up so he can eat or whatever, including scenes with Jonah. The flimsy comic book logic is generally that "by putting on a mask random people can't tell who that person is unmasked", not "well Namor just put on Hawkeye's costume and despite being taller and older and having a different build and body language and voice and everything else, all of the Avengers walk around going "weird how Hawkeye has gotten really lovely at shooting arrows and has pointy ears and can lift up cars and keeps screaming IMPERIUS REX, oh well, whatever." danbanana posted:THIS THREAD: I don't find it realistic that a mask could hide anyone's identity! "Identity Crisis is a good mystery because anything that doesn't make sense can be addressed by the fact that AQUAMAN CAN BREATHE WATER, of course bitches are crazy for no reason, you stupid rear end in a top hat. God."
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Today’s issue was so good. I loved the dialogue and brutality of the mission. And now we know when the opening of House of X actually happens
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Sep 4, 2019 13:32
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I just finished the Brood Saga in my Claremont readthrough, and between that and HoX 4 I'm now all about Wolverine and Kurt being bestest buds.
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Sep 4, 2019 15:09
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gently caress, that was an issue. It also Doesn't make me feel great that we're just growing x-men in pods now. Hoping to get some info on that soon.
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Sep 4, 2019 15:29
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Even though we all know the events won't stick, stuff like seeing Nightcrawler just instantly burn to a husk after teleporting is pretty loving brutal.
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enigmahfc posted:Even though we all know the events won't stick, stuff like seeing Nightcrawler just instantly burn to a husk after teleporting is pretty loving brutal. Most of them had a brutal death. Mystique for airlocked. Cyclops got headshot. Jean’s death was probably as bad if not worse than Kurts. Spaced and torn apart by Sentinels? Hell of a way to go. And given the fact that Scott/Jeans last conversation was them still trying to make their way out I don’t think they know (or are aware) that Xavier can potentially bring them back. I’m curious to see how X plays this out and how ok they are with being reborn
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Sep 4, 2019 17:35
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This was the first issue that really landed for me. The little exchange between Logan and Kurt was really great.
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Sep 4, 2019 17:36
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Still convinced the opening HoX 1 scene is a red-herring and that what this issue shows is not what we think. The Mother Mold's little soliloquy as it drops into the implies to me that this didn't stop anything. The machine rise is still happening, just not with this particular Mold. And yes, it might mitigate the problem but that's not exactly what someone saying "NO MORE" would find acceptable right? That's a lot of A-list deaths just to delay, or have a "lesser" man-machine supremacy come about. If this is the culmination of Moira's nine previous lives then she loving sucks at it, yo. So I'm still of the mind that this is Life VI, or that Moira's "final" plan hatches in Life XI after this boondoggle.
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danbanana posted:Still convinced the opening HoX 1 scene is a red-herring and that what this issue shows is not what we think. I think this was pretty explicitly stated in one of the previous books, though I forget if it was a Powers or a House. The only questions are when, and what their disposition is.
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Sep 4, 2019 18:27
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I often wonder why no one in these universes full of killer sentient robots doesn't just... build a race of nice sentient robots. Granted, it probably wouldn't serve much of a purpose seeing as if they were truly pacifist, they'd probably gently caress off to live in real of pure data, fueled by a dyson sphere rather than defend humanity/mutants from their killer cousins, but it seems like "fight killer robots with good guy robots" is only Vision's schtick, and in his case it was a happy accident
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OnimaruXLR posted:I often wonder why no one in these universes full of killer sentient robots doesn't just... build a race of nice sentient robots. I think it might be because in the Marvel universe one of the first attempts was Ultron, which kind of...poisoned the well a bit.
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Sep 4, 2019 19:47
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Great issue. Very on the nose with the x-men and the human scientist saying almost the exact same thing, but in a good way. If Xavier already has the rebirthing pods ready to go, why was he crying and screaming so much at the end? OnimaruXLR posted:, they'd probably gently caress off to live in real of pure data, fueled by a Dyson sphere Sounds kind of like the phalanx.
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Billzasilver posted:If Xavier already has the rebirthing pods ready to go, why was he crying and screaming so much at the end? Right? Seems like an overreaction for someone who can Dr. Venture some more Logans whenever he needs to...
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Stanfield posted:I just finished the Brood Saga in my Claremont readthrough, and between that and HoX 4 I'm now all about Wolverine and Kurt being bestest buds. Read the first arc of Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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Sep 4, 2019 21:43
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It feels like The trick will be the pod squad won't remember dying or something like that. Sacrificing soldiers and loving with people's memories seems like peak Xavier.
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Sep 4, 2019 21:50
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Skwirl posted:Read the first arc of Astonishing X-Men (2013).
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Sep 4, 2019 22:11
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I meant Amazing X-Men. Jason Aaron writing and Ed Mcguiness art.
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Sep 4, 2019 22:15
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I kinda like the dramatic repurposing of "No More" by Xaiver. He may not have the pods ready yet, but even if he does, Hickman is pretty blunt about Xavier's extensive trauma about having his children be killed over and over again and being unable to stop it. There's even that awesome No More splash page of his crying face mixed between a listing of past horrors and the current horrific deaths of each crew member. Ideally he wouldn't have to send core Xmen on a suicide mission to prevent the extinction of his species. He's also clearly connected telepathically to each one of them as they die horribly. It's possible he may already have his solution cooking but that doesn't necessarily take away from any pain he might be feeling about having to actually make use of it. Even if he can actually resurrect the sun gang, it doesn't mean that he feels any less guilty about them having to experience death. I think people are so expecting of a villainous twist from Xaiver it's hard to see him as a grieving father in this moment. I also think Hickman has been making Xaiver up to this point come off like an unfeeling tyrant/dictator as a bit of misdirection too. "While you slept, the world changed" is possibly Xaiver announcing to the entire planet that mutants can no longer die and I wouldn't be surprised if Krakoa cannot physically be destroyed without some kind of incredible damage to the planet's ecosystem or to potential millions of humans who took the Krakoa pills. Basically there has to be some motivation to keep the island from being annihilated like every other mutant compound in this lifetime as well as any of the past 9. This becomes an even more necessary precaution to take if Krakoa is some kind of unlimited mutant rebirth organism.
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This was quite a strong issue that unfortunately had three sticking points with me. Four if we're being mega nitpicky. 1) The Mother Mold's whole soliloquy was...interesting? and certainly got the point across...except it got like every single fact about mythology wrong. The gods were the titans' successors, not the other way around. In fact, a titan made mankind, not the gods. And then that same titan also stole fire, not man themselves. Did they teach this Mother Mold by feeding it Disney movies or what? 2) Referring to Wanda as "the pretender" seems just...annoyingly cruel. You, the writers at Marvel, hosed up this character and had her do a bunch of lovely things because she's apparently so crazy or something. Thanks Bendis. Then again you, the writers at Marvel, hosed with her origins because of motion picture licensing issues, which now turned out to be a pointless exercise because the movies get to use mutants now anyway and movie-Wanda's probably going to be a mutant at some point again, and then I guess the comics Wanda will follow along again so hey great job tossing in this dig about her being a pretender which is probably gonna get retconned in a bit. What was that you were saying, Hickman, about how comics should pave the way for the films and not the other way around? Look. I know that, narratively-speaking, it makes sense for mutants to harbor a great deal of resentment towards Wanda which is going to be exacerbated by her turning out (currently) not to be a mutant in the first place. But I can't divorce the metatext of this from the real life associations of the entirety of Marvel Comics just loving with this character over and over for no good reason and then trying to shift blame to the fictional character itself. There's also the gross implication of a character who's legitimately, mentally ill (again, Marvel, you canonically told us this, this is an aspect of the character you implemented) who "pretended" to be something that she wasn't. It smacks of villainizing someone for her illness -- something she had no control over -- and is just...I can't think of any other word but gross. 3) Speaking of metatext, it makes utterly no sense that there's no mention of the Inhumans or the M-Pox at all. I guess that it doesn't fit neatly into the whole "Look how much they hate us" angle Hickman is trying to play out with these mutant genocide events, but the idea of this run just flat-out ignoring the Terrigen plague is insane considering how big a deal it was (it killed Cyclops for pete's sake!). What's more, wasn't it Hickman himself who originally had Black Bolt unleash the mists onto the planet? It feels, honestly, a little cowardly for him to not have to deal with its implications at this time, in this run where he's diving deep into almost everything else that ever even happened to the X-Men. 4) We're gonna have to talk about Hickman's weird infantilization of Jean at some point. It's subtle. It's not something overt and impactful and barely affects what the characters do. But it's there. She's literally wearing her high school uniform. She's calling Xavier "sir" and he's calling her "child" even though the last time they were around they were on far more equal terms. Monet, of all people, a third or fourth generation X-Man, is talking down to her like she barely knows how to use her own powers. It's...me nitpicking, but it's still there. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Sep 4, 2019 |
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