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you dumb assholes it's almost two cathedrals time nobody has come out and been like hey i know and hate the west wing i wanna two cathedrals Today's ep being published at 11:38pm local definitely has nothing to do with my state of mind nope
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That one particular line about how "I don't get 27 more votes than anyone else" is a particular stand-out because A. it's revealing of how un-democratic the free market actually is, and B. it's revealing of Sam's character that he'd actually want things to work that way I'm going to gripe about it because I have (and I assume y'all have also had) conversations in which "voting with your wallet" has been brought up as an example of how we get to have our say within capitalism, and perhaps more specifically as an argument against regulations (or in favor of "market self-regulation") - if a company is behaving badly, then I can simply choose to patronize a different company, and makes capitalism democratic! No, it doesn't loving work that way, because if soy sauce company X is making lovely soy sauce, your individual decision to buy from company Y instead isn't going to make a lick of difference compared to all the restaurants and cafeterias and corporations that company X acts as a supplier to. They're getting to make hundreds if not thousands of times more "votes" from you in terms of how much product they buy from company X, so it doesn't count. And that's not counting the ability of the oligarchs to simply pour a zillion dollars into keeping the company afloat, giving them a huge marketing budget that they can flood the airwaves with ads about how their soy sauce is NOT lovely, letting them buy scientists who will write entire papers about how good their soy sauce objectively is, hiring security forces (both private and public) to infiltrate attempts by the soy sauce factory workers to organize, and so on and so forth. It's completely ridiculous on its face to desire a system where one guy gets 27 times more votes than someone else on the basis of their wealth and still consider that a functional democracy, and not only does Sam operate under the assumption that that isn't already the society he lives in, he wants to make it explicit! gently caress you Sam, and gently caress you Rob Lowe, when Bernie wins, just tweet that Seth Gillette speech at him over and over.
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Aug 5, 2019 10:22
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In addition to drastically misjudging the imbalance of power between the two sides, "voting with your wallet" also makes the assumption that these markets are actually open and competitive, and not run like a loving cartel
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Aug 5, 2019 11:23
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And that you even buy from them directly in the first place. Want to boycott Koch Industries? Good luck, they make things for the people who make things for the people who make things for you to buy, they don't give two fucks what you think even if you did manage to subpoena the entire supply chain of every company you buy things from.
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Aug 5, 2019 11:39
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Just FYI we have not been missing recordings, we just decided to roll last week's episode and this week's into one glorious soon to be released Season 2 Finale Extravaganza Episode!
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Aug 15, 2019 20:54
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Sam making the argument is also rich because he's just the White House Communications Director, a role that is entirely disconnected from the productive output of the economy. Is income supposed to be a measure of worth to society? Aaron Sorkin is really bad for this, and he obviously believes that people are paid according to their objective value, which is maddeningly terrible as a position.
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Aug 15, 2019 21:28
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The Little Death posted:Sam making the argument is also rich because he's just the White House Communications Director, a role that is entirely disconnected from the productive output of the economy. Is income supposed to be a measure of worth to society? Aaron Sorkin is really bad for this, and he obviously believes that people are paid according to their objective value, which is maddeningly terrible as a position. A reminder that his entire dumb argument is just to prevent ONE LINE from being added to a speech. A line saying billionaires are bad and greedy. And Sam puts the full force of his rhetorical skills and wit to ensure that he doesn't have to include that line because he's offended on the behalf of his fellow elites.
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Aug 15, 2019 21:30
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WampaLord posted:Just FYI we have not been missing recordings, we just decided to roll last week's episode and this week's into one glorious soon to be released Season 2 Finale Extravaganza Episode! I'm conflicted about the format. If I run all this poo poo together it's god drat 90 minutes long, NOBODY wants to listen to that much of us chuckling and slurring words I'll see if I can rejigger it a bit or just put in a "SKIP TO THIS PART IF YOU DON'T FUGGIN CARE"
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Gunshow Poophole posted:I'm conflicted about the format. If I run all this poo poo together it's god drat 90 minutes long, NOBODY wants to listen to that much of us chuckling and slurring words *in wise Solomon voice* SPLIT THE EPISODE IN HALF! Each woman who is claiming to be the mother of the episode can keep one half.
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WampaLord posted:*in wise Solomon voice* *nodding sagely* 37 If you, want to buy me flowers, just go ahead now and If you, want to talk for hours, just go ahead now because I know what a TV show ought not to beeee I know what a TV show ought not to be
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Aug 16, 2019 01:40
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E: Nice, a big update, can't wait to listen. You should do an episode about a hypothetical West Wing continuation or reboot, but reflective of our more enlightened perspective. Bartlett is confronted with his connections to notorious pedophile John Liebsten and answers with a quotation, in the original Greek, of the philosopher Thales on the merits of pederasty. Sam Seaborn's Pod Darn It spends months investigating Russian interference in US elections but frustratingly keeps turning up Israeli ops. Toby struggles to ratfuck the popular Gillette primary campaign. Santos deals with adrenochrome withdrawals.
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Aug 16, 2019 01:43
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yess it's time for two cathedrals younger me held this epsisode up as everything television should be and everything a man should be I'd like to hit younger me in the skull with an aluminum trash can
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Aug 16, 2019 02:08
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What gets me is, FDR hid his polio for most of his Presidency. Or, at least, the extent of his suffering. There is a precedent!
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Aug 16, 2019 02:24
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FDR had an agenda and did things. I don't see how this relates to Bartlett at all.
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MonsieurChoc posted:What gets me is, FDR hid his polio for most of his Presidency. Or, at least, the extent of his suffering. There is a precedent! That had nothing on Woodrow Wilson and his wife
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Aug 17, 2019 13:30
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TheChirurgeon posted:That had nothing on Woodrow Wilson and his wife yeah lol edith galt was functionally president for a long time, and Wilson got hosed up by spanish flu and a UTI as well even after the stroke. dude was drat near dead for the last 18 months of his presidency. my pre-escalator brain would have said "mercifully all this happened after the war concluded" but gently caress, maybe Edith Galt would have made an excellent president who knows.
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Aug 17, 2019 16:08
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I listened to episodes 0-8 on a road trip and am really enjoying this, having never really watched the show. I in particular like it more than the other left critique podcast of the West Wing with a co-host named Dave.
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Aug 18, 2019 03:44
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Zenithe posted:I in particular like it more than the other left critique podcast of the West Wing with a co-host named Dave. It is better, and WAY more listenable. I appreciate that you guys actually seem to know how microphones work and the sound levels remain steady vs that other West Wing podcast where they oscillate between shouting and inaudible as they move towards and away from the mics repeatedly.
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Aug 21, 2019 20:42
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Zenithe posted:I listened to episodes 0-8 on a road trip and am really enjoying this, having never really watched the show. Acinonyx posted:It is better, and WAY more listenable. I appreciate that you guys actually seem to know how microphones work and the sound levels remain steady vs that other West Wing podcast where they oscillate between shouting and inaudible as they move towards and away from the mics repeatedly. Thanks for the awesome nice comments!  Also I got a newer, much more high quality microphone, so the next episode should have my half sounding a lot better!
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Aug 21, 2019 23:02
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Acinonyx posted:It is better, and WAY more listenable. I appreciate that you guys actually seem to know how microphones work and the sound levels remain steady vs that other West Wing podcast where they oscillate between shouting and inaudible as they move towards and away from the mics repeatedly. wow lol this is as surprising as it is kind, thank you I'm super conscious of how my voice flies all over the range and I try to maintain discipline so I'm glad to know it works. I also do some audacity magic to normalize out spikes in volume my challenge for the new season will be not mumbleslurring complex words. I was p bad this last time and although I've become comfortable with listening to my voice on tape, not enunciating is utterly infuriating to listen to
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Aug 22, 2019 00:44
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NEW AND IMPROVED NOW WITH LESS CLIPPING 25% MORE WAMPA It's time to pretend like Isaac & Ishmael didn't happen and I'm out early this week, hurray!
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Aug 23, 2019 03:00
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https://twitter.com/Lawrence/status/1164759966470721536 gently caress off, Larry.
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Aug 23, 2019 14:30
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I only watched the last two seasons of the Worst Wing because of the election storyline. I'm part of the problem.
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Aug 24, 2019 08:16
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Imagine being Lawrence and thinking that plot made sense pre-trump. Oh no, you have offended these loving lunatics; the decorum of it all! Meanwhile no one has ever given a poo poo if a conservative says some wild poo poo that offends Democrats. You have to be Steve King level crazy to get even mild consequences as a Republican (because he finally started offending Republicans).
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I finally caught up to the Two Cathedrals extravaganza and I wanted to throw out there that Bartlett smoking the cig and stubbing it out in church was a deliberate shot at his dad, who falsely accused him of smoking in church in one of the flashbacks.
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Aug 25, 2019 09:48
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The whole MS thing remains funny to me, considering Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Reagan and now Trump.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I finally caught up to the Two Cathedrals extravaganza and I wanted to throw out there that Bartlett smoking the cig and stubbing it out in church was a deliberate shot at his dad, who falsely accused him of smoking in church in one of the flashbacks. Ah, good catch. To put it in the words of Fight Club: Tyler Durden: Shut up! Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about God? Narrator: No, no, I... don't... Tyler Durden: Listen to me! You have to consider the possibility that God does not like you. He never wanted you. In all probability, he hates you. This is not the worst thing that can happen. MonsieurChoc posted:The whole MS thing remains funny to me, considering Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Reagan and now Trump. Well considering Bartlet (spoilers) ultimately wins re-election easily, it makes all their panicking look totally foolish.
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Aug 25, 2019 16:45
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The Bartlet Dad God Religion rabbit hole is a fun diversion, as I mentioned I hope the writers are good enough that it was deliberate to basically frame up a bunch of borderline blasphemy after his speech
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happy fake labor day all who work for their bread Bucolic Campaign Launch Stereotype! How is it that Americans identify with this garbage? in 2019 my takeaway from the extreme cynicism and personal identity challenges that festoon this particular episode is that electoralism is utter folly of course that's been my takeaway from the last... 9 years so hey imagine that
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Ron Silver was the bad guy in Time Cop, as immortalized in Heat Vision and Jack. Edit: For those who don't know what I'm taling about : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-4mBbTUDq0 Later on, someone recognizes Ron Silver as "You were the bad guy in Time Cop!" MonsieurChoc has issued a correction as of 19:34 on Aug 29, 2019 |
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Aug 29, 2019 19:25
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as mentioned, rip in peace, but Ron Silver's politics followed the arc of Bruno's from decent liberalish to proto-chud zionist bloodgargler. 9/11 broke him like many others
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I don't remember whichever of you recommended Can You Ever Forgive Me, but I watched it tonight and was completely riveted. I bawled like a baby at Jersey passing and Jack's AIDS, but it was a cathartic movie. Thank you.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I don't remember whichever of you recommended Can You Ever Forgive Me, but I watched it tonight and was completely riveted. I bawled like a baby at Jersey passing and Jack's AIDS, but it was a cathartic movie. i hyped up richard e grant a lot for a few months after seeing it because that last scene is crushing but the movie itself is very good.
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 I was pleasantly surprised as well. I feel like Melissa McCarthy's resume mitigates way too much against her moving out of comedic roles even though she's CLEARLY talented enough to do so
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I think I hate the west wing and also Aaron Sorkin
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Sep 4, 2019 22:25
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Now that we're into the arc where our big strong dad is running for re-election, we'll finally learn something about his agenda! Oh wait, nope, he's still the most centrist, useless, decorum infested poo poo and has no actual motivation beyond ego.
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Uncle Wemus posted:I think I hate the west wing and also Aaron Sorkin https://twitter.com/StevePasquale/status/1169369602847121410 https://twitter.com/AlyssaFafel/status/1169416360738340864 https://twitter.com/AniCorne/status/1169424432093388800 just go down that thread to die instantly
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Thanks, I hate it!
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Acinonyx posted:Now that we're into the arc where our big strong dad is running for re-election, we'll finally learn something about his agenda! lol remember when he bitched about leo always holding him back and leading him to the middle blah blah blah and then they decided to "let bartlet be bartlet" and ... NOTHING radical centrism at its best
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Reminder: the people who think Bartlett is the ideal president also uncritically repeat the meme that Bernie has never accomplished anything.
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