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Corbyn will undoubtedly cave to the legion of chicken memes pumped out by the Sun. I can feel the desperation from here...
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:32 |
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I've pondered the idea of having the Lords elected but done via the members of specialist bodies (so a lord representing doctors, one representing civil engineers, one for nature orgs, one for social charities, etc). Also make it single ten year terms only and a ban on politicians (nobody who been elected to HoC, or the devolved parliaments).
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:32 |
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Pablo Bluth posted:I've pondered the idea of having the Lords elected but done via the members of specialist bodies (so a lord representing doctors, one representing civil engineers, one for nature orgs, one for social charities, etc). Also make it single ten year terms only and a ban on politicians (nobody who been elected to HoC, or the devolved parliaments). Ban on politicians arguably wouldn't be a great idea as, at least in theory, they should be the most qualified people to review new legislation. That said some mix of lawyers, judges, and civil servants could probably achieve better results.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:40 |
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Friday 5pm does seem suspicious as gently caress. Idk if I'm reading yesterday's lords discussion right but it looks like that Fri 5pm absolute deadline was the original intent when the bill was introduced to the HoL http://bit.ly/2NT3MM3 . But then that means the wrecking lords just gave up(?) which sounds equally suspect.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:40 |
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Sounds worryingly like technocracy to me.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:40 |
There's a reason that the lords only has amending powers I've thought that having Lords duty as a thing you apply for, but picking from applications is random gets the benefits of Jury duty without forcing someone to do the job of a lord for 3 years or whatever the length.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:42 |
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xtothez posted:So I guess the government plan here is to cave on this bill to meet Corybn's requirement, and get another GE vote before progation? Then if he still refuses an election before Oct 31st they can keep filling the papers with their chicken-themed propaganda. I like this because when Labour finally do agree to call a GE what are they going to run on? "CORBYN TOO CHICKEN TO FIGHT THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS!!"
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:46 |
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this is the only lord I need
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:51 |
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Doccykins posted:I like this because when Labour finally do agree to call a GE what are they going to run on? "CORBYN TOO CHICKEN TO FIGHT THIS ELECTION CAMPAIGN CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS!!" My worry is that once he can't get a pre Oct 31st election, Boris will turn around and say "you had your chance" and try to cling on as long as possible. Then we're back into VONC territory and asking a bunch of now-independent MPs to vote themselves out of office.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:54 |
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I loving hate smarmy doctors receptionists- had to call 41 times in a row at opening to even have a chance at an appointment- then had to justify my medical needs in detail over the loving phone to someone who seems to have no medical nous or training whatsoever. That was bad enough till there was then a bored sigh and "you will have to call back Monday morning" before he hung up on me. This comes after finding out they had been sat on multiple test results without letting me know. Guess I need a new gp surgery- they used to be better than this. Now back to my regular political output- heh, tories hosed it
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:55 |
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Seems exactly a thing the Tories would do. Also sounds like the plot to a new series of Dad's Army. DesperateDan posted:I loving hate smarmy doctors receptionists- had to call 41 times in a row at opening to even have a chance at an appointment- then had to justify my medical needs in detail over the loving phone to someone who seems to have no medical nous or training whatsoever. That was bad enough till there was then a bored sigh and "you will have to call back Monday morning" before he hung up on me. Sorry you had to go through that it sounds poo poo.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 08:59 |
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The House of Lords is pretty much Gormenghast. Managed to convince my mum and brother to vote Labour last night. My brother doesn't care about politics and my mum doesn't like Corbyn and wants to vote Greens to save the planet, but after much cajoling and reminding how we used benefits growing up they came round.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:00 |
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Ms Adequate posted:The quote is "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment." I feel like trusting in the powers of faith and hatred to sustain you is dangerously like hope in itself.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:03 |
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Replace the Lords with japanese robots.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:05 |
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justcola posted:The House of Lords is pretty much Gormenghast. Do some research into Labour's land plans because there's an environmental edge to that as well and your mum might like that.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:07 |
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Ah the rare yet prolific House of Lords Derail
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:10 |
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Aphex- posted:this is the only lord I need I regret to inform you that lord buckethead got co-opted by melts
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:10 |
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OwlFancier posted:I dunno that there really is a good solution though there are options for other things you could try to get the chamber representative of. Hereditary Lords are a good way of representing manorial estates, Bishops are a good way of representing dioceses. Fortunately we don't run much on those any more. Life Peers aren't a good way of representing much at all other than buddyism and desperate reform to the prior system that was threatening to fall apart under its own contradictions. So what do you want to represent? Trades Union Councils are a popular socialist one, or delegates of the proletarian councils or whatever. But how do you arrange those? By trade sector? By land area? How do you keep enough churn to stop a labor aristocracy forming at the top? The reason I like the Council of Provinces one is because it's realistic within what we have now (boo reformism boo) and addresses one of the big things that keeps coming up in non-Westminster UK politics, that politics is overcentralized and held entirely by people that don't seem to give a poo poo about anywhere outside Westminster, although I suspect you'd still end up with power cliques as always.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:11 |
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justcola posted:The House of Lords is pretty much Gormenghast. labour are talking about a green new deal like in the US but I can't remember any specifics
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:13 |
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Regional delegates is fairly appealing given my dislike of outright federalism.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:15 |
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Jose posted:labour are talking about a green new deal like in the US but I can't remember any specifics Aye, I was quoting bits from this: https://www.labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/The-Green-Transformation-.pdf (though I'm wishing there were 1 page summaries for various policy areas - I'll have a gander at Momentums stuff to see if there's anything a bit more digestible for a family WhatsApp group) Also - where's the link to the UKMT podcast? edit: first post it looks! https://praxiscast.podbean.com/
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:23 |
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https://twitter.com/DailyMirror/status/1169235343008260096
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:29 |
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Do not go gently into that bald night
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:32 |
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I had to go to sleep at like 1030 last night, did anything Actually Happen overnight? Or was it just standard parliamentary nonsense?
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:33 |
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That's one way to do a combover I guess.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:34 |
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I kissed a girl, got convicted. Fourth Reich's now been constricted.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:35 |
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thespaceinvader posted:I had to go to sleep at like 1030 last night, did anything Actually Happen overnight? Or was it just standard parliamentary nonsense? Yeah nobody else wanted it so you're Prime Minister now, you have to explain how you're going to fix Brexit in 10 minutes.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:36 |
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Guavanaut posted:I kissed a girl, got convicted. Fourth Reich's now been constricted. I kissed a girl and I Reiched it? Doesn't really make any sense I suppose
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:36 |
Guavanaut posted:The Lords isn't fine, it's massive compared to any other upper house, and it's full of old fucks who were mates/nonces with some previous cabinet member from the 70s and got made a life peer and now just show up to claim expenses. Also members given representation purely on account of their ordained religious role, which would generally not be okay outside of an actual religious organization or, say, Iran. Also they have gently caress all useful power, which is good given their lack of legitimacy, but not necessarily what you want from a chamber of account and review. I mean, that would be better still, but to my knowledge the only two positions championed by any party are (1) don’t touch it and (2) get rid of it, and of those options I prefer (1).
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:38 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yeah nobody else wanted it so you're Prime Minister now, you have to explain how you're going to fix Brexit in 10 minutes. Revoke article 50 and guillotine all the billionaires. What do I win?
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:39 |
Holy gently caress I have never seen a human being whose picture screams so loudly “German Sex Tourist”.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:40 |
CGI Stardust posted:Putting things in the delicate hands of the TA. Let a hundred Mark Francoises bloom, I'm looking forward to getting beaten with rubber truncheons for putting the recycling in the wrong bin You monster!
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:41 |
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Some good(ish?) news for a change, especially for dirty foreigners living in sacred Albion: quote:UK abandons plans to end free movement October 31 Now why would this be slipped out in the middle of the night when everybody's attention was somewhere else
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:41 |
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No idea how legit this is but I believe it https://twitter.com/CliveWismayer/status/1169510678065029120?s=19
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:42 |
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https://twitter.com/parliawint/status/1169344160702312448
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:43 |
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Replace the Lords with an elected Senate, but make it so that you're elected for a 10 year term, and a Senate election also can't happen within 2 years of a commons one, unless the Lords haven't had one in, say, 16 years. That keeps it long enough that they're less subject to the day by day changes in politics, and de-syncs them from any changes that hit the commons. You still also only leave them with amending power, no proposal power, it stays as purely a review body, meaning anyone looking to actually change public policy needs to go through the commons not the senate.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:44 |
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https://twitter.com/R1100GSBlueNose/status/1169526153457143809?s=19
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:50 |
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The guardian love letting various lib dem MPs write obvious lies about corbyn again https://twitter.com/How_Upsetting/status/1169529027058634753?s=19
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:51 |
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Pablo Bluth posted:I've pondered the idea of having the Lords elected but done via the members of specialist bodies (so a lord representing doctors, one representing civil engineers, one for nature orgs, one for social charities, etc). Also make it single ten year terms only and a ban on politicians (nobody who been elected to HoC, or the devolved parliaments). I approve of this idea if the British Undertaker’s Council get to appoint a Death Lord, The Greenwich Observatory a Time Lord, etc.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:53 |
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radmonger posted:I approve of this idea if the British Undertaker’s Council get to appoint a Death Lord, The Greenwich Observatory a Time Lord, etc.
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# ? Sep 5, 2019 09:56 |