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(Thread IKs: Nenonen)
What should the presidential powers be in 2020?
This poll is closed.
UNLIMITED!!!! URKKI 2.0!!!!!! 3 23.08%
Sauli should be allowed to telecast to our homes whenever he pleases, but that should be the limit. 2 15.38%
He should be limited to writing mildly worded letters to HBL and other provincial newspapers. 2 15.38%
None. More power to Sanna & Katri & Maria & Li & Anna-Maja & Jenni! 2 15.38%
Unlimited, but every decision must be subject to a plebiscite. 0 0%
None, but the president's life must be video streamed 24 /7 for the duration of their term, with no censorship. 4 30.77%
Total: 13 votes
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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010


Asldkfjasldfk loman.

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3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I'm the gay dog trying to befriend officers.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
Modet muuttakaa mun nimi Homoseksualistien Tukikohdaksi kiitti etukäteen.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
Minkä tessin mukaan homoseksualistien tukikohdan kamaripalvelijalle maksetaan?

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
pistä pari seteliä nahkahousuihin niin se riittää

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Mikä helvetti on kamaripa tai lvelija?

Herman Merman
Jul 6, 2008
What counts as törkeä homoseksualismi these days?

fluffyDeathbringer
Nov 1, 2017

it's not what you've got, it's what you make of it
me

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Helsingin huumepoliisi on (ollut?) Suomen suurin huumeiden maahantuoja, joten voidaan perustellusti olettaa että Helsingin siveyspoliisi (myöhemmin huoltopoliisi) on myös edustanut puhdasta Tom of Finland -kuvastoa.

https://yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2010/10/22/huoltopoliisi-tarkkaili-kansaa

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa
Joskus työhakemukset ovat aivan liian luovia, esim. jos haluat Huuhkajien maalivahdiksi niin on parempi sanoa suoraan että olet aivan paska maalilla.

https://twitter.com/jarmo_ukkonen/status/1167328969172979717

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
Ihan ymmärrettävää toimintaa työkkärin kohdalla

Triple A
Jul 14, 2010

Your sword, sahib.
itse epäilen että se vain haluaa iltasanomien toimittajaksi

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Triple A posted:

itse epäilen että se vain haluaa iltasanomien toimittajaksi

olisi sitten edes osunut työttömiin :sad:

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Nenonen posted:

Mikä helvetti on kamaripa tai lvelija?

Kamaripa helpottaa kaman avaamista. LVElija on lämpö- ja vesi -Elija. TTA.

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



https://demokraatti.fi/kysymys-on-s...ainojen-aikana/

q: what happened to finnish commies living in the ussr during the great purge

a: no vittu mieti

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

HerraS posted:

https://demokraatti.fi/kysymys-on-s...ainojen-aikana/

q: what happened to finnish commies living in the ussr during the great purge

a: :commissar::finland:

Nurge
Feb 4, 2009

by Reene
Fun Shoe

HerraS posted:

https://demokraatti.fi/kysymys-on-s...ainojen-aikana/

q: what happened to finnish commies living in the ussr during the great purge

a: no vittu mieti

kysy ameriikan residentiltä

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

HerraS posted:

https://demokraatti.fi/kysymys-on-s...ainojen-aikana/

q: what happened to finnish commies living in the ussr during the great purge

a: no vittu mieti

OWK oli yksi suhteellisen harvoista alkuaikojen pomoista jotka selvisivät puhdistuksista ja elivät Joe-setää pitempään.

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

Rappaport posted:

OWK oli yksi suhteellisen harvoista alkuaikojen pomoista jotka selvisivät puhdistuksista ja elivät Joe-setää pitempään.

Otto on myös ainoa suomalainen joka on haudattu Kremlin muuriin. Eli jos tie vie Moskovaan niin kotimaisella pankkikortilla pitäisi saada rahaa seinästä.

Ataxerxes
Dec 2, 2011

What is a soldier but a miserable pile of eaten cats and strange language?

Rappaport posted:

OWK oli yksi suhteellisen harvoista alkuaikojen pomoista jotka selvisivät puhdistuksista ja elivät Joe-setää pitempään.

Ja seisoi tumput suorina kun vaimo lähti Siperiaan ja poika kuoli vankileirille. Tyypillä oli tuuria kun sattui olemaan Tukholmassa 20-luvun alun Mauseropposition aikaan.

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

Ataxerxes posted:

Ja seisoi tumput suorina kun vaimo lähti Siperiaan ja poika kuoli vankileirille. Tyypillä oli tuuria kun sattui olemaan Tukholmassa 20-luvun alun Mauseropposition aikaan.

:hmmyes:

SnowblindFatal
Jan 7, 2011
Uskoikohan se oikeasti Neukkulan hyvyyteen vai ajautuko se vain liian syvälle kuvioihin ja sit ku tajusi mistä on kyse, oli jo myöhäistä perääntyä? On jotenki tosi vaikea päästä tommoisen ukkelin pään sisälle. Enpä kyllä tunne tarkkaan kaverin tarinaakaan, että ehkä se siitä selviäisi.

uncop
Oct 23, 2010

SnowblindFatal posted:

Uskoikohan se oikeasti Neukkulan hyvyyteen vai ajautuko se vain liian syvälle kuvioihin ja sit ku tajusi mistä on kyse, oli jo myöhäistä perääntyä? On jotenki tosi vaikea päästä tommoisen ukkelin pään sisälle. Enpä kyllä tunne tarkkaan kaverin tarinaakaan, että ehkä se siitä selviäisi.

I had an intuition that he would have become a figure analogous to Molotov but a quick fact check later, nope, while Molotov stayed a hardcore Stalin supporter to the point where Khrushchev moved to erase him from party history, OWK made big contributions to his anti-Stalin campaign.

The Finns that escaped into Soviet Russia, incuding OWK, were generally not very Bolshevik-inclined and instead fairly centrist, if we were to define leftism as supporters of a Bolshevik-style revolutionary offensive, rightism as a pure reformist approach and centrism as supporters of a reformist offense with capacity for violent self-defense. They had been pulled into the civil war rather than instigating it, but were conscientious about completely supporting the reds once it was made clear that their attempts to avert it had failed.

History seems to imply that much like Khrushchev and the rest of his kind who Stalin would absolutely have purged if they had aired their real thoughts in the open earlier, he was good at keeping his head down and doing what was expected of him regardless of his personal opinion. He wasn't allowed to return to Finland like less politically controversial purge-survivors so that was what he had. The level of political career he had within the USSR only makes sense to me if he was either a big believer in at least its potential or a rotten opportunist who chased personal privileges.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
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Qtamo
Oct 7, 2012
I'm just a lurker, but I think the thread will like Jartsa's newest piece: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10953997.

uncop
Oct 23, 2010
Absolutely love huge regressive taxes when they are paid to a private insurance company. Wouldn't that awesome system be a >10% tax hike for most people? And it wouldn't eliminate more than a slice of the tax funding of healthcare, since the whole system is 2-3 times as expensive per person per year as a whole.

Havana Affair
Apr 6, 2009
What's his title considering he's part of the nobility? I think Yle should start using that on the headline of his columns. Vapaaherra Ehrnooth: Köyhät leireille. (Vapaaherra is not the correct title, I checked.)

Nurge
Feb 4, 2009

by Reene
Fun Shoe

Havana Affair posted:

What's his title considering he's part of the nobility? I think Yle should start using that on the headline of his columns. Vapaaherra Ehrnooth: Köyhät leireille. (Vapaaherra is not the correct title, I checked.)

A quick look at that garbage would indicate that the Ehrnrooth family doesn't have a Kreivi or Vapaaherra, which makes them titleless nobility iirc.

bloom
Feb 25, 2017

by sebmojo
Even the comment section, generally filled with the dumbest people in the universe(after finpol posters obv), is mostly making GBS threads on Jartsa.

Sharpest Crayon
Jul 16, 2009

Always Wag. Always Friend. Very Safety.
Clapping Larry
I tried hate-reading that article and got up to the point where he thinks it's a great idea having to get a private, case-by-case negotiated insurance that only costs "about 1500€" a year with the poors getting "some help" paying it before I had to click away. He can't wait for poo poo like "pre-existing cause" to enter the Finnish health care system.

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

quote:

Kaiken kattavan yhteisvastuun hengessä Suomen valtiolla on perustuslakimme mukaan vakaa aikomus turvata jokaiselle maassa asuvalle koulutus, työ, toimeentulo, asunto, terveys, ja jopa ”yhtäläinen mahdollisuus - - kehittää itseään varattomuuden sitä estämättä”. Siten mistä maailmankolkasta tahansa Suomeen ajautunut ideologisesti työtön torvimusiikin ystävä voisi perustuslakiin vedoten elää muiden kustannuksella ja vaatia itselleen tuuban soitonopettajaa.

Hate this real thing that totally happens all the time, in reality

Qtamo
Oct 7, 2012

Forktoss posted:

Hate this real thing that totally happens all the time, in reality

That last sentence is great, since it manages to be hostile towards 1. foreigners 2. "ideologically unemployed" people (as in anybody not prioritizing lovely jobs at lovely wages over everything else) and 3. musicians/artists. That it's these qualities that get picked in his example of a parasite completely abusing the system is so, so telling, although not unexpected. It's also pretty great how he draws the line of an acceptable constitution at the self-development of poors.

Of course, his whole "healthcare privatization in Netherlands made it the best system" argument is based on an index made by a private think tank that uses a good-medium-bad -scoring with arbitrary cutoffs (read part 7.8. of the report for a laugh) and partially years-old data. And the indicators are poo poo. For example, the indicator of long term care for the elderly is just the amount of nursing home and elderly care beds per 100 000 aged 65+. That's it, as long as you have the beds it doesn't matter if the quality of care is poo poo enough to kill everybody before they get to 70, since none of the other indicators will punish you for this. Hell, it actually might improve other indicators as well. Otoh, that'd probably be fine for Jartsa as long as he's not the one getting hosed in a few years.

So, yeah. :eng99:

Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

Qtamo posted:

That last sentence is great, since it manages to be hostile towards 1. foreigners 2. "ideologically unemployed" people (as in anybody not prioritizing lovely jobs at lovely wages over everything else) and 3. musicians/artists. That it's these qualities that get picked in his example of a parasite completely abusing the system is so, so telling, although not unexpected. It's also pretty great how he draws the line of an acceptable constitution at the self-development of poors.

It's also weird how the all-powerful bureaucratic apparatus of the socialist state smothers the heroic private-sector job creator with its labyrinthine rules and small-minded regulations, but at the same time it's also super easily exploited by these stupid and lazy tuba enthusiasts

uncop
Oct 23, 2010
It's because the constitution might as well have been written by Stalin personally.

No. 1 Callie Fan
Feb 17, 2011

This inkling is your FRIEND
She fights for LOVE
In other news, CP have been on a free-fall in the polls, but things might change when the party convenes this weekend to vote for the new chair(wo)man. It's a race between Katri Kulmuni and Antti Kaikkonen, but the differences are more in geography, age and gender rather than ideology. Kulmuni at least released a political pamphlet where she's planning to bring CP back to its Maalaisliitto roots.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


kepulainen sieltä tulee kuitenkin

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Kaikkonen is a) an inveterate criminal and b) a bad criminal who gets caught so he will be elected.

Qtamo
Oct 7, 2012

Jerry Cotton posted:

Kaikkonen is a) an inveterate criminal and b) a bad criminal who gets caught so he will be elected.

Well, in Kulmuni's case it's her dad doing the (admittedly small-time) criminal stuff, so it might be a harder choice for Kepu than one would think at first glance. Especially considering the rumours that upcoming changes to waste regulation would force a complete privatization of wastewater sludge transportation, which would - completely accidentally, I'm sure - benefit her father. Massive grain of salt on that one though, since the proposal hasn't even been made public yet. And even if it's true, I'd still prefer her to the shambling mound of corruption that is Kaikkonen.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Qtamo posted:

I'm just a lurker, but I think the thread will like Jartsa's newest piece: https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10953997.
Do these people ever think about how the market works? Generally, the market can give you a decent result if:
- There is a good variety of providers the consumer can choose from.
- The consumer can choose to not buy at all.

A market-based solution for potato chips is fine: There's plenty of competition since it's not too difficult of a market to enter, and should all the potato chip makers start up a cartel and hike up prices tenfold, I can reasonably choose to not buy potato chips. And because of both of these factors, they can't do that or they lose their sales.

A market-based solution for healthcare is awful, because they can hike up the prices however much they like because I can't reasonably choose to not procure healthcare that I need. The whole basic mechanism for why markets should ostensibly give favorable results does not apply. The same also goes for things like infrastructure, where you also can't choose to not use it, and where you won't have a good variety of providers because we can't reasonably have five parallel roads.

Forktoss posted:

Hate this real thing that totally happens all the time, in reality
The problem is these drat lazy...
[x] immigrants
[x] unemployed
[ ] students
[x] artists

Elukka fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Sep 6, 2019

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Forktoss
Feb 13, 2012

I'm OK, you're so-so

No. 1 Callie Fan posted:

In other news, CP have been on a free-fall in the polls, but things might change when the party convenes this weekend to vote for the new chair(wo)man. It's a race between Katri Kulmuni and Antti Kaikkonen, but the differences are more in geography, age and gender rather than ideology. Kulmuni at least released a political pamphlet where she's planning to bring CP back to its Maalaisliitto roots.

Santeri Alkion perintö is all well and good, but Kulmuni is a Väyrynen acolyte kowtowing hard to the most conservative kepu base. Kanki is little better, but at least he seems to have been shamed into keeping his hands away from the valtiovarainministerinsalkku. Though of course there's no telling how long that shred of decency will last if he's actually chosen. So all in all,

Andrast posted:

kepulainen sieltä tulee kuitenkin

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