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Blitz7x posted:So after my ST brutally chopped my Brujah's head off for a masquerade breach I decided to reroll as a setite/Ministry member who is a tattoo artist who has a cult following/herd to feed on. My understanding is that setites basically "get off" on metaphorically walking someone through self realization and coming to terms with a truth, be it for better or worse? The theme of all the stories you've given us- at least, the singular reports you give of them- doesn't make me see anything specific to V5 per se or even your group & ST, and everything to do with you trying to roleplay or give any time and effort to feeding from humans as a vampire. Treat gathering blood the same way the larger culture has for going on three decades and make it a brutal one sentence handwave and all your problems go away.
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Hey everyone. So I’m a bit upset over a role play session I’ve had recently. I’ve had a history of dealing with problematic things in video games and especially tabletop, but you get used to it. As a woman you...kind of have to power through it? It’s difficult to understand but I feel like I need to set a good example for everyone else regardless of how they identify. My character in particular is the one female in the group. Now that’s usually not an issue. In fact it’s something I am used to in a hobby as male dominated as tabletop, but in my latest vampire game the DM created an NPC who seems designed to specifically hit on mine? They said it was because of the beautiful trait I picked up but I am unconvinced given the eyeing he is giving me. Every time this happens I have to excuse myself to the bathroom and try to not get upset, the first time it happened I was pale, (and no it’s not because I don’t leave the house often.) Any help would be appreciated. I want to let him know that I am in fact uncomfortable, but that I still want to continue playing with them all while not ruining our relationship. I don’t think he means badly, I think he’s just an awkward nerd. Still uncomfortable though.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:36
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moths posted:No poo poo I do, I said as much in the clarification edit that you yourself quoted. Clearly not, so calm down m8 It's pretty obvious the group isnt garbage and the st has lots of checks in place. Seems like a good group and that blitz is the central trouble maker. Maybe he should consider stop violating the Masquerade and breaking basic agreed upon etiquette systems E: I think the traffic light system is very good and should probably be a standard part of most tabletops Oberst fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Sep 5, 2019 |
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Sep 5, 2019 20:37
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I hope blitz takes all this to heart and apologizes to the st and players
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Sep 5, 2019 20:39
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Gerund posted:The theme of all the stories you've given us- at least, the singular reports you give of them- doesn't make me see anything specific to V5 per se or even your group & ST, and everything to do with you trying to roleplay or give any time and effort to feeding from humans as a vampire. Treat gathering blood the same way the larger culture has for going on three decades and make it a brutal one sentence handwave and all your problems go away. This isn't how v5 works largely. It specifically codified predator types in order to move away from this and make the horror of feeding and being a blood parasite a visceral part of every session
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Sep 5, 2019 20:42
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Inzombiac posted:I would say that if you've agreed to this traffic light system (which I like) but neglected to use it, you should apologize to everyone and maybe send a PM to the person who had the issue with the scene. No doubt, I was just trying to put together my dice modifiers for an upcoming roll and just missed the red lights. Again, I'm super embarrassed about it and reached out to the ST and the player in question to apologize
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Sep 5, 2019 20:48
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Naoto Shirogane posted:Hey everyone. So I’m a bit upset over a role play session I’ve had recently. Don't try to address this in-game or in character. And importantly don't let this get dismissed as an game issue. You, the player, have an issue with their real-life behavior. Often creepy poo poo gets a pass in games, because oh it's not real, but your reaction and feelings are real. If you need an anchor, there you go. And the sooner you address this, the better. Frequently, not speaking up is perceived as a tacit endorsement. And if you seemingly didn't have a problem with it before, this will absolutely continue.
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Sep 5, 2019 20:51
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Sep 5, 2019 21:42
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Thank you all very much, I will take your advice to heart and confront him before we go to the pre session Olive Garden run. As much as I like our sessions as a whole, this cannot continue.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:04
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moths posted:Don't try to address this in-game or in character. And importantly don't let this get dismissed as an game issue. You, the player, have an issue with their real-life behavior. I can't agree with this harder. I've had real creepy people try to slip in their disgusting beliefs in games and it needs to be dealt with firmly and immediately. If they don't change, or worse, double down, get the gently caress out. No game is better than a bad game.
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Sep 5, 2019 22:49
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Blitz7x posted:So during a tattoo session/feed a member of his herd basically admitted that she was an exotic dancer to get through school and I decided that my character was going to push to see if this was merely a way to pay for school or if she actually desired that lifestyle and even further preparing to go into the field of being a sex worker full time. i'm gonna give you some roleplaying hints, from a narrative perspective: Put A Veil On It. Make it less direct, allude to things rather than state them outright. There's something you really have to keep in mind with vampire, and that is: Sex Is Assumed. It's baked into the system. Instead of going straight to hooking, you could have explored themes of agency and self actualization. "Desired that lifestyle," that should have been where you ended the quesiton. Leave it to them to interperate what you mean by "desire" and "lifestyle." The secret to playing a setite is to encourage people to stop limiting themselves based on outmoded and conservative social ideologies. Encourage others to seek out sources of strength, in this case it could have been the financial independance of dancing and maybe, maybe the allure of power it provides over the people you dance for. Just, don't make it crass.
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Sep 6, 2019 01:55
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moths posted:Don't try to address this in-game or in character. And importantly don't let this get dismissed as an game issue. You, the player, have an issue with their real-life behavior. This a thousands times. Powering through it is for it when it comes to books and things that don't, you know, have actual people there that should be able to notice this stuff. lovely behavior needs to be called out and explained as some times those awkward nerds don't even consciously realize what they're doing.
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Sep 6, 2019 03:27
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During our next downtime, one of my players is going to be purchasing Professional Training. He's already written up the justification post, which includes, for the contacts the merit gives, an invite to a special facebook cover group called <3WHOLESOME<3WOLFPOSTING<3 I love my players.
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Sep 6, 2019 06:38
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Just chiming in with more support for confrontation. There are lots of ways to keep this light, if you're worried about the effect it will have on the long term relationship. But you absolutely have the right to put the breaks on it. I've run games where players have specifically made orphan characters, that is to say, they have no idea who their parents were, and they tell me, outright, "I don't want to make my parents a part of this character" and you just okay, got it, no problem. And I think most people would agree that is a rational amount of agency for a character to have - so obviously, "I don't want another character leering at me, it makes me uncomfortable" should be met with, "oh okay." Because this is your ST, you can approach the issue from the angle of: this is not the story I want to tell, these are themes I'm uncomfortable with, what is it you are trying to accomplish with this NPC? It may be as simple as, "I need to give your Merit a downside!" and he's just not thinking very hard about the impact that is having or how it makes you feel, so just let him know you don't like it and take it from there. The correct reaction from a friend and good ST is, "oh poo poo, I'm sorry! I didn't know I was doing that to you. I get that makes you uncomfortable. Help me write a story you will enjoy", so hopefully that's where it goes.
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Sep 6, 2019 07:01
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Blitz7x posted:Weird question here and I'd like to stay as above board as we can if possible. I don’t know your full story but just from this post alone, you wouldn’t be allowed at my table. Maybe your Brujah was killed out of pettiness because your st sucks, but I’m definitely not going to trust anyone who has to ask if it’s cool to codify transphobia into their game mechanics.
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Sep 6, 2019 07:25
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Xinder posted:I don’t know your full story but just from this post alone, you wouldn’t be allowed at my table. Maybe your Brujah was killed out of pettiness because your st sucks, but I’m definitely not going to trust anyone who has to ask if it’s cool to codify transphobia into their game mechanics. Pretty sure the transphobia thing was one of the other players at the table, right? From what I remember that really isn't on him since he was asking for opinions on the situation and what to do. Now, the fact that he didn't listen when we said to and find a better group is pretty much on him, yeah. All this crap could have been avoided if he had just ditched them at the first opportunity and found better people to play with.On the other hand, this whole saga just keeps getting more and more  as time goes on. So kudos on that in a morbid "What the gently caress is wrong with you?" sort of way I guess.
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Sep 6, 2019 09:38
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Archonex posted:Pretty sure the transphobia thing was one of the other players at the table, right? From what I remember that really isn't on him since he was asking for opinions on the situation and what to do. Asking at all still absolutely feels like it’s seeking validation on thinking “trans women aren’t real women, right?” which is absolutely transphobic
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Xinder posted:Asking at all still absolutely feels like it’s seeking validation on thinking “trans women aren’t real women, right?” which is absolutely transphobic I get what you mean. Even regardless of that though the fact that he didn't just find a new group after the entire thread poo poo all over his group for their poor behavior really does kind of make this his own fault. That incident and the whole "The ST is a raging douchebag that murders characters for shits and giggles while the other players bark at the guy who made a gangrel." thing makes me think that he should have seen the warning signs and left to find someone to play the game with that isn't a piece of poo poo. Archonex fucked around with this message at 12:23 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 12:21
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oh hey, hadn't realized that was the same guy as that question gently caress off, that guy
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Sep 6, 2019 13:02
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V5 was pitched directly at a terrible demographic and now terrible people are playing it. Quelle suprise!
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Sep 6, 2019 14:06
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Props for simplifying all the overlapping bloodlines in the dumbest way possible, especially when so much ink was spilled in the initial introduction clarifying that the Samedi were not a Giovanni offshoot.
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Sep 6, 2019 14:08
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drat if only there were posters who figured this out earlier and were trying to point it out but were attacked for dare suggesting blitz7x was part of the problem.
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If only there were a way for you to express yourself without being an insufferable rear end in a top hat  If anything at this point between all 3 of you I'm even less inclined to play V5. Kurieg fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 14:47
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Naoto Shirogane posted:Hey everyone. So I’m a bit upset over a role play session I’ve had recently. Have you considered not being so sexy? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 6, 2019 15:02
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Kurieg posted:If only there were a way for you to express yourself without being an insufferable rear end in a top hat That's your loss baby Oberst posted:Have you considered not being so sexy? Wtf is wrong with you
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Sep 6, 2019 15:15
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Metapod posted:Wtf is wrong with you
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Sep 6, 2019 15:43
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Metapod posted:Wtf is wrong with you
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Sep 6, 2019 15:45
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Metapod posted:Wtf is wrong with you
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Sep 6, 2019 16:01
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Metapod posted:Wtf is wrong with you
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Sep 6, 2019 16:13
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Will this finally be the drama that breaks up the Metapod/Oberst boy band? Also: Metapod posted:Wtf is wrong with you
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Sep 6, 2019 16:23
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Kurieg posted:Will this finally be the drama that breaks up the Metapod/Oberst boy band? It's more likely they realized their schtick was getting old and staged a fake fight to trick people into think they aren't the same guy.
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Sep 6, 2019 16:30
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PHIZ KALIFA posted:Props for simplifying all the overlapping bloodlines in the dumbest way possible, especially when so much ink was spilled in the initial introduction clarifying that the Samedi were not a Giovanni offshoot. Also for creating actual --- and i'm not making GBS threads you --- libertarian frat vampires based in Harvard that are at least partially convinced that Ayn Rand was a vampire herself since she was such a lovely parasitic human being. Mind you, the in character writer speaks of her in awe, like she's some visionary philospher instead of the hypocrite and all around rear end in a top hat she actually was. And apparently all this (and so much more! The entire section is just filled with level "No, no, stop writing! You're only digging yourself deeper!" moments.) is said while they scheme to John Galt the poors and minorities of the world.Also they may or may not be gay in what was probably intended to be a dig at libertarians in an attempt to make them less of a stereotypical caricature but just comes off as bigoted and lovely. I'd have to either check with the one person I know that actually bought the Anarchs book or straight up just pirate the thing to post the relevant quotes here since there's no way in hell i'm giving Nu WW money for such a lovely and offensive game rewrite. If V5 ever gets a Hunter splat spin off under the new management then it's going to be game #1 to play for monster slaying and pissing off CHUD and alt-right/neo-nazi types. Assuming it doesn't get CHUDified as well, that is. Archonex fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Now I'm looking forward to chuds and worthless centerists unironically declaring that hunters are just as bad as the literal monsters they kill.
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Sep 6, 2019 16:51
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moths posted:Now I'm looking forward to chuds and worthless centerists unironically declaring that hunters are just as bad as the literal monsters they kill. A weeping, gaping maw opens in the earth as the shambling corpse of beast claws it's way out, screaming "Not all heroes."
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Soonmot posted:During our next downtime, one of my players is going to be purchasing Professional Training. He's already written up the justification post, which includes, for the contacts the merit gives, an invite to a special facebook cover group called <3WHOLESOME<3WOLFPOSTING<3 I love it. I took Professional Training for my Nos because he's heavily in the art scene and fits with his "Plucked From Obscurity" background. He also has True Friend, which I'm curious about. It seems like I get an invincible ally/contact/retainer that is also my BFF. Pretty nuts for only ***. He's going to be the Ned to my Peter Parker, not a combat friend. Maybe he'll be the charming one while I skulk around. And I'll make him a ghoul, obviously. Does anyone have thoughts on Small Framed? The HP hit is rough but the text says you get +2 when attempting to hide or avoid detection. Wouldn't that just act like a permanent +2 to Stealth?
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Metapod posted:That's your loss baby Wait do you actually believe a bad faith poster whose last post was about a lasombra youtuber who drinks coke zero? Lmao
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Sep 6, 2019 17:11
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You know, even if blitz is part of the problem, 'Don't break the Masquerade!' was never actually good advice. If blitz is part of the problem, the problem is still not in the game fiction but in the behavior of players at the table, and should be solved OOC.
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Sep 6, 2019 17:20
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Using IC actions to punish OOC Actions are just going to encourage people to act out more, both IC and OOC. And even if people are being disingenuous in their posting, responding to their posts as serious and providing solutions is still the way to go because it's still useful to others who might encounter those situations in the future. In either case telling a woman "have you considered not being so sexy" is just more sexist gatekeeping that contributes to the problems they're experiencing.
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Honestly, the only rule I tell people who play in my game is "Don't be an rear end in a top hat to each other." That seems to pretty much cover it. Also, everyone is generally a well adjusted adult. Seems to help. It often seems very strange for a WoD/CoD game of any variety, but it's mage, so who who knows...
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