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Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Private Speech posted:

Am I the only who feels that BBC reporting lately has been even more pro-government than before?

Nah even the melts have started noticing the BBC isn't impartial because of how overt it's gotten.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:46

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Purple Prince: Aug 20, 2011

Eregos posted:

Seems possible his going hard right might be stronger from a strictly Machiavellian maximizing power standpoint. At least over the short term.

Honestly the best way forward would be to do a Cameron, concede on the Irish customs border, and then lie his face off about how this is really a sign of strength and his adept negotiating skills. Then start hunting for Brexiteer Labour voters with the massive cash giveaways and declaring he succeeded in passing Brexit through Parliament.

Sure the ERG and other hard right people would hate this, but the papers will pump out Boris propaganda which will easily win over like a third of hard right people, while the other two thirds (like 15% of the population) could be replaced by Labour voters bought off with massive cash giveaways.

May was getting there towards the end of her tenure but was hamstrung by trying to please too many people at once.

Trying to please the hard right is a trap for centre right leaders because it simultaneously alienates "sensible" right wingers and drags you down a rabbit hole of xenophobia that you'll never be hardcore enough to deal with.

E: I hate to say it but pigfucker probably could have succeeded with this.

Purple Prince fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Sep 6, 2019

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:47

Roblo: Dec 10, 2007; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Private Speech posted:

Am I the only who feels that BBC reporting lately has been even more pro-government than before?

There was a post with a tweet a couple pages back explaining why this is the case.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:48

Puntification: Nov 4, 2009; Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic; Fun Shoe

Failed Imagineer posted:

Cummings literally thought that he could bully Corbyn into a GE with a chicken meme. He probably wrote it in giant letters on the glass walls of the HQ thinking he was Good Will Hunting. The Galaxy brain is expanding at relativistic rates

I imagine it being more like this scene from it's always sunny:

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:51

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Roblo posted:

There was a post with a tweet a couple pages back explaining why this is the case.

That was first posted in like 2016 tho

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:51

Chinese Gordon: Oct 22, 2008

Purple Prince posted:

Honestly the best way forward would be to do a Cameron, concede on the Irish customs border, and then lie his face off about how this is really a sign of strength and his adept negotiating skills. Then start hunting for Brexiteer Labour voters with the massive cash giveaways and declaring he succeeded in passing Brexit through Parliament.

Sure the ERG and other hard right people would hate this, but the papers will pump out Boris propaganda which will easily win over like a third of hard right people, while the other two thirds (like 15% of the population) could be replaced by Labour voters bought off with massive cash giveaways.

May was getting there towards the end of her tenure but was hamstrung by trying to please too many people at once.

Trying to please the hard right is a trap for centre right leaders because it simultaneously alienates "sensible" right wingers and drags you down a rabbit hole of xenophobia that you'll never be hardcore enough to deal with.

E: I hate to say it but pigfucker probably could have succeeded with this.

This might have worked before he booted out Ken Clarke and Churchill's loving Grandson. No way can he afford to lose the headbangers now. He's hosed (hopefully).

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:51

bessantj: Jul 27, 2004

Grey Hunter posted:

It really is schoolyard name calling, isn't it.

I'm surprised Boris wasn't making chicken noises and putting his hands under his armpits and waving his elbow around.

I wonder if it's all they have, anything to distract from how mind shittingly terribly they've handled Brexit and the last ten years.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:52

pitch a fitness: Mar 19, 2010

Purple Prince posted:

Honestly the best way forward would be to do a Cameron, concede on the Irish customs border, and then lie his face off about how this is really a sign of strength and his adept negotiating skills. Then start hunting for Brexiteer Labour voters with the massive cash giveaways and declaring he succeeded in passing Brexit through Parliament.

Sure the ERG and other hard right people would hate this, but the papers will pump out Boris propaganda which will easily win over like a third of hard right people, while the other two thirds (like 15% of the population) could be replaced by Labour voters bought off with massive cash giveaways.

May was getting there towards the end of her tenure but was hamstrung by trying to please too many people at once.

Trying to please the hard right is a trap for centre right leaders because it simultaneously alienates "sensible" right wingers and drags you down a rabbit hole of xenophobia that you'll never be hardcore enough to deal with.

E: I hate to say it but pigfucker probably could have succeeded with this.

You're probably right. Where Johnson wouldn't succeed in this is that Cameron could lie whereas Johnson can only bullshit

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:54

Purple Prince: Aug 20, 2011

Chinese Gordon posted:

This might have worked before he booted out Ken Clarke and Churchill's loving Grandson. No way can he afford to lose the headbangers now. He's hosed (hopefully).

Yeah the problem is with Tory leaders (except Cameron) being delusional enough to think they have any negotiating power against the EU and that their role is to negotiate rather than managing expectations at home.

Really should have gone with the centrist approach from the start, but that wouldn't have been suitably Churchill 2.0 for our lad Boris.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:55

Tindalos: May 1, 2008

Blasmeister posted:

The doctor literally fights and beats capitalism in a recent series (the ep was �Oxygen� for ref.), so I don�t think I can agree with your analogy fully. Ofc the doctor also carried the Olympic torch in a very bad ep. Land of contrasts.

That's a good point. Although given the replacement system seems to be full power to the monarchy, I think it's more of a sideways move. (As seen in "the Beast Below.")

# ? Sep 6, 2019 14:58

bump_fn: Apr 12, 2004; _{two of them}

seriously burying the lede here

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:00

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

bump_fn posted:

seriously burying the lede here

He should talk to the people who run the Loch Ness Monster exhibition at Drumnadrochit because the end of that is just them saying explicitly "there ain't no Loch Ness Monster" which is pretty funny.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:02

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Bardeh posted:

https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1169961053532413953

Posting the whole piece because it's cool and we should all read more:

quote:

John McDonnell: �Change is coming. It�s as simple as that�
The shadow chancellor on socialism, curbing the City � and the naughtiest thing he�s ever done

It�s hard to imagine what Friedrich Engels would make of John McDonnell�s frugal dining habits. Engels, co-founder of Marxism, spent his 70th birthday sharing 16 bottles of champagne and �twelve dozen oysters� � and boasted of his �acknowledged gift for mixing a lobster salad�.

By contrast, McDonnell � perhaps the most famous living Marxist in Britain � is strikingly abstemious. When I ask where he normally eats in Westminster, the shadow chancellor replies: �I don�t really. Not usually.� For lunch today he ate some Rich Tea biscuits.

It is 4pm and we are meeting for a ludicrously early dinner at a caf� in his constituency of Hayes and Harlington, a gritty multicultural suburb of west London. The veteran socialist usually eschews all corporate hospitality; he has made an exception for Lunch with the FT, but it�s not going to be haute cuisine.

McDonnell is one of the most intriguing figures in British politics, a man who will wield huge influence if the opposition Labour party somehow takes power as a result of the Brexit chaos. The current Labour leadership is the most leftwing in its century-long history.

�People want change,� he says. �Change is coming; as simple as that.�

As party leader Jeremy Corbyn�s closest ally, the shadow chancellor has spent decades in the political wilderness. Over the years he has suggested that Tory MP Esther McVey should be lynched, urged workers to spit in their managers� tea, and said IRA terrorists such as Bobby Sands should be �honoured� because their �bombs and bullets and sacrifice� led to peace in Northern Ireland.

Yet in the upside-down world of British politics he has emerged as one of the more consensual �Corbynistas�. He has tried to bridge the divide between Corbyn and his hostile MPs and spends much of his time trying to convince business leaders that they should not be terrified of a Labour government.

And then there is Brexit. Labour has been suffering in the polls from trying to appeal to both Leavers and Remainers just as Britain�s Brexit debate becomes increasingly polarised. McDonnell is one of the most senior figures to have tried to force Corbyn away from his fence-sitting, pushing for a more pro-EU position. In the weeks since our meeting, the party has become engaged in a bitter tussle to prevent Boris Johnson from carrying out a No Deal departure from the EU.

I arrive at his constituency office just off Hayes high street and am shown into his study. McDonnell is writing letters, sleeves rolled up. The �hardman of the left� has a strikingly weak handshake.

We head out to eat. McDonnell lives in one of the poorest wards in Hayes. We walk past Pound & More, a discount shop, the Ali Halal Meat butchers and fried chicken outlets, before coming to a halt outside Nandini�s, a thali caf�.

It�s a cheerful little place with bright orange sweetmeats and bottles of �Thums Up� soda in the window, and counters full of Indian desserts.

We�ve agreed in advance to have curry and beer, so McDonnell suggests the �thali of the day�. But when he asks for beer, the manager points to a fridge stocked only with cans of soft drink: it�s going to be a sober gathering after all.

Back in 2015, when Corbyn gave him the Treasury role, McDonnell was seen as the thuggish sidekick to his beatific leader. Since then, however, McDonnell has cultivated a more reasonable persona. He credits the makeover to his parish priest, who told him: �soften your image�.

Today he is dressed in the sober dark suit, white shirt and red tie that he wears to business events. Some of the executives he meets are wary or even hostile. But others offer him a respectful hearing. Either they are un�familiar with his anti-capitalist history, like his serious demeanour, or � most likely � are fed up with the current Conservative government and its approach to Brexit. �We�ve got business leaders coming to us looking for stability, which they�re not getting from the Tories,� says McDonnell. �It�s enhanced our relationship in that sense.�

Not with everyone, though. There are many who fear that a Corbyn-led government would represent a whole new level of instability, with nationalisations and a ramping-up of tax and spending. McDonnell makes no pretence otherwise, arguing that his reform programme is more ambitious than that of Labour prime minister Clement Attlee, who set up the welfare state some 70 years ago: �We all admire what Attlee did . . . but I think we will go beyond it.�

I start with a bit of musical small-talk. The Liverpool-born MP is a Beatles fan, and tells me that not seeing the band live is his �biggest regret�. But McDonnell has serious classical tastes too, mentioning Shostakovich�s ninth symphony as a particular favourite. I ask if he enjoyed The Noise of Time, Julian Barnes�s novel about the Russian composer.

�As an insight into Stalinist society, it�s really interesting; he was a remarkable character . . . he survived, which was a miracle,� says McDonnell. �When Stalin criticised his symphony and it never got played again, he did what people thought was a grovelling apology but it wasn�t, the message was, �I�ll see you out, no matter what you throw at me I�m going to keep going.��

I ask how he would explain the difference between �Marxist� and �Stalinist� to a typical FT reader.

�Take a Christian,� he says carefully. �You read the New Testament and you think there are fundamental truths in it. But you wouldn�t blame Jesus Christ for the Spanish Inquisition. I think it�s the same analogy. If Marx was alive during the Stalinist period, he�d be first to be in the gulag.�

I point out that there are countless examples of functioning Christian countries: it�s harder to make a list of successful communist states.

McDonnell appears to concede the point, but argues that Marx�s ideas have fed into successful socialist governments. �Attlee�s socialist practice came from that understanding of capitalist analysis by Marx himself.�

The manager sets down matching tin trays, each with rice and half a dozen dishes � including chickpea curry, yoghurt and cauliflower and potato � with a spicy poppadom and chapattis. We tuck in.

For decades, Labour�s small clutch of hard-left MPs, known as the �Campaign Group�, were pariahs within the party. Among them, McDonnell was the serious one, responsible for finance at the Greater London Council during the �loony left� 1980s.

Peter Mandelson, co-architect of New Labour, promised to banish McDonnell and his comrades to a �sealed tomb�. The tomb broke asunder with the arrival of Corbyn as Labour leader in 2015, smashing decades of centrist consensus. �I�ve always said the left needs to be ready for government,� says McDonnell. ��Be ready tomorrow, because things can happen.� That time has come.�

McDonnell wants to shift power and money from landlords and bosses to tenants and workers, and he makes no apologies for this. �[The plan] is trying to rebalance the power between capital and labour.� His vision is of an intervent�ionist government seeking to eradicate homelessness and low pay and tackling the housing crisis. For executives, the picture is not so rosy: they face public pay transparency, higher taxes on salaries and an end to share options and golden handshakes.

McDonnell says he will ban bonuses in the City of London unless the financial services industry takes action to curb excessive payments. �If it hasn�t learnt its lesson, we will take action, I�ll give them that warning now,� he says, spearing a square of paneer with a fork. �People are so offended by it. It�s a reflection of the grotesque levels of inequality that people now find so offensive. Action will be taken, full stop.�

I point out that the Square Mile is part of an international industry and that � like his beloved Liverpool FC � employers need to offer high wages to attract talent. What would he say to Rich Ricci, former chief executive of Barclays Capital, who was paid �44m in one year alone? �I�d point him towards Julian Richer,� McDonnell replies, without missing a beat, referring to the hi-fi entrepreneur who has recently given his staff a big chunk of his company.

Many of McDonnell�s ideas would have been considered political suicide only five years ago. But Labour�s gains in the snap 2017 general election have forced many critics to rethink that view. Labour was ahead in opinion polls in the early summer, although Boris Johnson has since opened up a 10-point lead: for now.

The shadow chancellor says he is inspired by the writings of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian communist of the interwar years. �What Gramsci is all about is hegemony: you win the battle of ideas and it dominates,� he says, emphasising his point with a raised fist that he moves from side to side.

While many Labour MPs still resent Corbyn�s leadership and are angry about his failure to close down a long-running row about anti-Semitism in the party, most have accepted the need for radical economic change. �I think ideologically the Labour party has moved on dramatically . . . no MP kicked off about the last manifesto, we had no complaints,� he says. �There might be criticism of Jeremy and myself . . . but we�ve hegemonised the debate in the party around policy.�

The shadow chancellor�s worldview has become more mainstream in recent years, but so too has the nativist populism of the right. McDonnell says he does �fear� Donald Trump, and is anxious about the potential for trade disputes and misplaced foreign interventions. Yet he believes that his own movement can surf the anti-Trump backlash.

�The reaction to Trump has been remarkable: we�ve now got a debate for the first time in maybe a generation or two generations in America about the nature of socialism,� he says. �The reaction to Trump is a blossoming of the labour and trade union movement over there.� He will visit the US in the autumn and hopes to see Democrat left-wingers such as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Bernie Sanders.

The Tories have tried to portray the McDonnell manifesto as a template for a �return to the 1970s� or � worse � the transmutation of Britain into a latter-day East Germany. The IFS think-tank said the 2017 manifesto would take taxes to their highest-ever peacetime level.

Yet some left-wingers, even a few who sit alongside him in the shadow cabinet, think he is too cautious and pragmatic. While Labour�s tax changes may sound radical, the centrepiece tax rise � a corporation tax hike � leaves the levy at a lower rate than it was in 2010.

Unlike the previous Labour leadership, Corbyn and McDonnell have resisted the idea of a �mansion tax�, worried that it will hit many public-sector urban voters. He admits: �It�s what�s achievable in terms of keeping people with us and bringing people with us . . . what we don�t want to be in is a situation where we undermine the support we need to get into government.�

We talk in detail about McDonnell�s more blue-sky ideas, as bhangra music blares in the background. He is mulling a much tougher �zero-carbon� target � under pressure from activists � and wants to explore a �right-to-buy� for private tenants as well as a blanket ban on City bonuses. �I want a government that intervenes and that is going to intervene on a large scale,� he says.

This is the tub-thumping radical familiar to anyone who has paid attention to the Corbyn movement. Before getting the train west, I went through some of McDonnell�s �early-day motions� � a kind of parliamentary petition � from when he was an obscure backbench MP. A decade ago he wanted higher aviation taxes. Now he says �it�s not on the agenda�. Back then he wanted to nationalise BP as punishment for its high profits, according to one motion I found. Now he says something vague about being �committed to a just transition�: �We�re not nationalising them.�

Corbyn once talked about a pay cap on all executives: now there is a more symbolic plan for a 20:1 ratio threshold between bosses and staff � but only for companies with government contracts. In the spring McDonnell threatened to delist companies that did not meet strict environmental criteria. Now he plays that down: �I think rather than delist there�s other mechanisms we can look out for how to tackle it.�

McDonnell takes a handful of chapatti and starts scooping up some lentils, mopping up the juice. Would he be a pragmatist if Labour gets into power? The shadow chancellor has commissioned a swath of reviews that sound radical but will not necessarily translate into hard action. One of those is into a four-day week, but his vision is more one of flexible hours than a three-day weekend. �For some people a four-day week is ridiculous because they�re desperate to get the hours just to survive at the moment,� he says. �But there�s another group of people working all the hours God sends and it impacts on their family lives.�

Corbyn�s views on foreign policy have been another source of controversy for the Labour leader: anti-Nato, anti-Israel and � in the past � sympathetic to hard-left regimes such as Venezuela and communist Cuba. McDonnell is rarely asked about those issues. But he says there isn�t a cigarette paper between the two men on foreign policy. While Labour policy is to support Nato, he is critical of �sometimes its aggressive nature�.

By now we are eating the pudding, a small, sickly sweet brown ball. I throw him the question that has made other politicians stumble: �What�s the naughtiest thing you�ve ever done?�

My mind flickers back to McDonnell�s study, where there is still a tribute to IRA terrorists. He looks me in the eye: �I�m not going to admit to it because I could still be arrested.�

There�s a pause. �I presume you�re joking?� I reply uncertainly.

He leans forward and produces a stony death stare, before relaxing his face: �Of course I am.�

As we leave, McDonnell puts a couple of coins into the tip box. Out on the drizzly pavement, I ask about the longevity of Corbyn and McDonnell.

He predicts his old friend would still be leader after a hypothetical five-year Labour term, despite persistent rumours of Corbyn�s health problems. �That�s for him to decide but I can�t see any reason why not, he�s perfectly fit, stamina of a young man,� he says approvingly of his 70-year-old friend.

The shadow chancellor is three years younger but had a heart attack six years ago. �You realise that you�re not immortal,� he says. �You seize the moment, carpe diem.�

The egg is good in that one.

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Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

bump_fn posted:

seriously burying the lede here

The Nessie part or the bull-grappling part? Because both sound better than talking about loving Brexit anymore

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:03

xtothez: Jan 4, 2004; College Slice

At this point is Boris' best bet not just to resign from government (but not as party leader), allow the opposition to squabble over who forms a temporary government to get 'their' extension, then demand an election on the basis that no one has a majority?

That way he avoids the Brexit trap, and can play the underdog trying to defeat the rebels. Labour couldn't actually do anything as they'd lack a majority for anything other than an extension, and the Tory papers spend weeks pointing out how Corbyn is in No 10 but not making anything better for people.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:11

Pencils R Cool: Feb 16, 2011

Private Speech posted:

Am I the only who feels that BBC reporting lately has been even more pro-government than before?

Nevermind Channel 4, the difference between the BBC and ITV's framing of the past week's events has been startling. ITV news reports actually try and explain WHY the opposition are doing what they're doing, BBC try their best to not to so they can paint the Poor Old Tories as the victims. It's genuinely appalling, then of course there's the fact that the first 20 minutes of last night's Question Time were spent bashing Labour (after 5 minutes of tiptoeing around Jo Johnson).

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:12

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

https://twitter.com/KFC_UKI/status/1169970678658998277

what the gently caress is politics right now

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:13

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

mfcrocker posted:

what the gently caress is politics right now

Something something the new Joker movie something.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:14

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

mfcrocker posted:

what the gently caress is politics right now

We live in a society

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:15

blunt: Jul 7, 2005

IrvingWashington posted:

Oh poo poo they've got him on the ropes now

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1169928730652733440

https://twitter.com/KFC_UKI/status/1169971331229786112

ahah

e;fb

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:15

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Absolute state of tha

https://twitter.com/jelly_pack/status/1169976528551235584?s=19

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:17

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

Want some of those Colonel Corbyn stickers tho

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:18

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

This is really poo poo cyberbullying.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:20

Chinese Gordon: Oct 22, 2008

xtothez posted:

At this point is Boris' best bet not just to resign from government (but not as party leader), allow the opposition to squabble over who forms a temporary government to get 'their' extension, then demand an election on the basis that no one has a majority?

That way he avoids the Brexit trap, and can play the underdog trying to defeat the rebels. Labour couldn't actually do anything as they'd lack a majority for anything other than an extension, and the Tory papers spend weeks pointing out how Corbyn is in No 10 but not making anything better for people.

This is probably what will end up happening. It's risky as gently caress but is probably the only way out. If the BXP don't play electoral ball (and Farage will demand the loving moon on a stick to stand down) then it's still pretty unlikely BoJo would be able to scrape a majority in an election where he's failed to take us out by Oct 31.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:21

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

But ... WHY is this being delivered to the House of Commons? A place where nobody will change their mind and probably won't even find this poo poo funny. What a waste of time and effort.

It's a dumb stunt anyway, but at least do this poo poo in a marginal constituency with a couple of Tory volunteers handing it out to randos.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:22

Vlex: Aug 4, 2006; I'd rather be a climbing ape than a big titty angel.

I smell Galaxy Brain Cummings afoot again.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:24

CoolCab: Apr 17, 2005; glem

Junior G-man posted:

But ... WHY is this being delivered to the House of Commons? A place where nobody will change their mind and probably won't even find this poo poo funny. What a waste of time and effort.

It's a dumb stunt anyway, but at least do this poo poo in a marginal constituency with a couple of Tory volunteers handing it out to randos.

"some journalist will take a picture and put it on twitter and then it will go viral! social media manager is so a real job,"

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:24

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Junior G-man posted:

But ... WHY is this being delivered to the House of Commons? A place where nobody will change their mind and probably won't even find this poo poo funny. What a waste of time and effort.

It's a dumb stunt anyway, but at least do this poo poo in a marginal constituency with a couple of Tory volunteers handing it out to randos.

Because they know they don't need to persuade the voters, they just need to persuade the press.

Or at least, they think that, anyway.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:25

Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

CoolCab posted:

"some journalist will take a picture and put it on twitter and then it will go viral! social media manager is so a real job,"

Yeah but you could manage that by doing it somewhere in a London borough. You'd even get some 'ordinary people' comments on it and pick the ones who say "yes ~~I hate brown people too~~ I think Jeremy should call the election, he's a coward"

Of course, journos being lazy means they don't even need to leave the gallery for their hot take for the day.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:26

Gasmask: Apr 27, 2003; And if thou gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will also gaze into thee

jfc it isn't even fried

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:26

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Gasmask posted:

jfc it isn't even fried

It's probably just a dish of whatever chicken they could get subsidised from the Parliament staff canteen.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:27

Feinne: Oct 9, 2007; When you fall, get right back up again.

Gasmask posted:

jfc it isn't even fried

I appreciate their effort at finding chicken that's definitely less palatable than KFC.

Like that looks even more like random dead birds industrially pressed together into chicken shapes.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:30

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

I did the what kind of lefty are you quiz and it turns out just like the other good posters in this thread I'm a council communist :toot:

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:31

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Big respect to them!

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:32

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

I'm Larry btw

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:33

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

suck my woke dick posted:

Big respect to them!

Hahahahahahaha they really loving think they're this, don't they.

I wonder if they remember what happened to literally loving every Rebel on that poster.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:34

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Momentum have already turned it round to Jeremy Fuckin' Corbyn

this legitimately might be the worst political stunt I've ever seen

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:37

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Rarity posted:

I did the what kind of lefty are you quiz and it turns out just like the other good posters in this thread I'm a council communist

We're currently scheduling a meeting to discuss revising our rallying cry of "up the councils"

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:37

happyhippy: Feb 21, 2005; Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup; Pillbug

Failed Imagineer posted:

Absolute state of tha

https://twitter.com/jelly_pack/status/1169976528551235584?s=19

Corbyn should wear one of these stickers into parliament.

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:39

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# ? May 24, 2024 16:51

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Guavanaut posted:

We're currently scheduling a meeting to discuss revising our rallying cry of "up the councils"

I am very pretentious so I prefer to use the Russian word for councils. "Up the soviets"

(Actually "all power to the Soviets" is a good slogan but I mean it, Lenin clearly didn't)

# ? Sep 6, 2019 15:40

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