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i think Bill really doesn't get enough credit for what a performer he was. there are people that like to pretend any jacked football player could have got over in the Goldberg spot doing 40 second squashes but I don't believe that for a second. you can't teach the intensity and charisma that bill had.
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Low Desert Punk posted:i think Bill really doesn't get enough credit for what a performer he was. there are people that like to pretend any jacked football player could have got over in the Goldberg spot doing 40 second squashes but I don't believe that for a second. you can't teach the intensity and charisma that bill had. WWE flat out tried it with Ryback, but he didn't have it.
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Sep 6, 2019 17:40
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I legit liked the cornfed meathead skip sheffield more than I did ryback But yeah Goldberg was the right guy with the right gimmick at the right time and it all fell into place until they ruined him
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Tweak posted:god those old wcw crowds were something else hard to remember when crowds actually gave a poo poo about the wrestlers
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Low Desert Punk posted:i think Bill really doesn't get enough credit for what a performer he was. there are people that like to pretend any jacked football player could have got over in the Goldberg spot doing 40 second squashes but I don't believe that for a second. you can't teach the intensity and charisma that bill had. People always say that, but then it's never worked with anybody else they try it with
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Sep 6, 2019 17:45
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Ryback couldn't even walk down the ramp without stumbling, I'm not sure what they were going for.
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Ryback was really, really over. He popped a big buyrate for his title match at Hell in a Cell and the guy was charismatic as gently caress, even if he was sloppy. The way he looked, the way he carried himself, he always stood out as different from everyone else. Not anywhere near Goldberg’s level, but he still had it. The Goldberg booking worked until they stopped doing it. Then they gave him a bunch of losses against Punk, the Shield, and a totally pointless loss to Mark Henry, which killed him. Imagine if the Giant had beat Goldberg in the middle of the card.
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Sep 6, 2019 18:15
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yeah he looked like a shaved troll.
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coconono posted:Ryback couldn't even walk down the ramp without stumbling, I'm not sure what they were going for. that entire fiasco proved that Vince just fundamentally couldn't understand what Goldberg was. I think in his head, goldberg exclusively got over through size and strength, which was a big part of it but not the point. goldberg was loving YOKED but he still looked like a legitimate athlete and he had credibility, ryback looked like a loving joke. also because half the WWE audience had seen Ryback farting around in NXT with a cowboy hat saying "yup yup yup what it do"
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coconono posted:yeah he looked like a shaved troll. Would you not pay to see a shaved troll kill a bunch of jobbers
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Pinstripe Hourglass posted:Would you not pay to see a shaved troll kill a bunch of jobbers I do not condone troll abuse. Do not shave trolls. Its like stealing the pope's funny hat. Not allowed.
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Goldberg's charm was his utter explosiveness. He turned murdering jobbers into an art form. Ryback didn't have half of that. And even then he wasn't a total bust. Initially. Of course, that was one of Goldberg's long-term problems. Eventually you have to do things other than murder jobbers. And WCW political bullshit aside you can't go treating other main eventers like they're Lodi. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Sep 6, 2019 |
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Sep 6, 2019 19:55
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When they first debuted him, Goldberg looked like he was gonna be another Glacier, where they'd run out of ideas in a few weeks for him. Then he'd be Just A Guy. But the fans really got into Goldberg's one man LOD act.
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coconono posted:When they first debuted him, Goldberg looked like he was gonna be another Glacier, where they'd run out of ideas in a few weeks for him. Then he'd be Just A Guy. But the fans really got into Goldberg's one man LOD act. No he didn't. Not at all.
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MassRafTer posted:No he didn't. Not at all. 1st two matches of Glacier vs 1st two match of goldberg, letes watch em
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I mean Goldberg's debut had him doing collar elbow tieups and hammerlocks and attempting to grapple with Hugh Morrus so I think it's conceivable that WCW could have hosed him up
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Ryback would be a fine steady midcarder but he got a little over pushed because the roster was looking pretty thin. He also felt a lot goofier than Goldberg though that’s partly the WWE writing style.
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i went to a smackdown taping early in his run and that's when i found out it was just a pyro noise and not pyro and that's when he lost me forever
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL7DCyPQ1g0 Wayne's got the moves. Can see why Missy Hyatt was with him at the time.
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Maxwell Lord posted:He also felt a lot goofier than Goldberg though that’s partly the WWE writing style. ALL SHOOK UP, ALL SHOOK UP ♫
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I remember Goldberg being pushed as a huge deal from the very start but I have a lot of rose tinted memories about WCW so
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ryback was a caricature of a WWE babyface. Which might have been a fun angle to go with but they played it straight
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Ryback is just more proof that when WWE gets something over, they have to prove that it had nothing to do with the performer by ruining them immediately, so instead of spending the money they found, they light it the gently caress on fire.
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extremely early goldberg was a show don't tell type of big deal. like an actual monster rookie in a real sport immediately dominating and starting to get famous. it escalated within a couple months
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i still remember schiavone or whoever talking about presumably the nWo or just anything but goldberg's debut match, then deadpan and almost as an aside going, "and well there's the (hugh morris... flip? shooting star press?) one, two, th- well now wait just a minute!"
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Tweak posted:i still remember schiavone or whoever talking about presumably the nWo or just anything but goldberg's debut match, then deadpan and almost as an aside going, "and well there's the (hugh morris... flip? shooting star press?) one, two, th- well now wait just a minute!" c'mon there's like, two notable things about Hugh Morrus and one of them is that he did a moonsault
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but what was its dumb name e: no laughing matter? i thought it was more punny than that
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Goldberg was so over that in loving 2000 when everything was terrible, the fans still completely adored Goldberg. You can look at every wrestler WCW pushed after Goldberg lost the title, and literally all of them were moronic choices over Goldberg.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Goldberg was so over that in loving 2000 when everything was terrible, the fans still completely adored Goldberg. with competent booking, Goldberg could have saved the company, probably. Not in 2000, probably, but a bit earlier.
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I know it's similar to the Savage/Steamboat match where it was meticulously plotted out, but just like that match it doesn't matter because it loving owned: The Goldberg vs DDP match was incredible and was the first time I realized Goldberg wasn't just an (incredibly exciting) explosive squash machine but one hell of an athlete as well.
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Jerusalem posted:I know it's similar to the Savage/Steamboat match where it was meticulously plotted out, but just like that match it doesn't matter because it loving owned: The Goldberg vs DDP match was incredible and was the first time I realized Goldberg wasn't just an (incredibly exciting) explosive squash machine but one hell of an athlete as well. The reversal of the Jackhammer into the Cutter is perfection. The execution, the reaction of the crowd, the call by Tony. Everything.
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It also had goldbergs best entrance. Everything about it was just epically done maybe one of the last truely great wcw moments for like actual good content and not good because its so crazy and dumb like ITS THE WALL BROTHER.
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Even then they managed to gently caress it up for a lot of people by one of the cable carriers cutting off the end of the match because they hadn't organized for the overrun  From memory they did replay the entire thing the next night on Nitro at least.
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I remember Goldberg's match with Regal being pretty good, I haven't watched it in a while to see if it holds up. Regal could carry a rotten potato to at least a 4* match so probably.
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Jerusalem posted:From memory they did replay the entire thing the next night on Nitro at least. Yes, which was i think the only time the UK got a wcw ppv match shown. Not sure they were ever carried. Hell at the time the wwe ones were "free" with a sky sports subscription.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:I remember Goldberg's match with Regal being pretty good, I haven't watched it in a while to see if it holds up. Regal could carry a rotten potato to at least a 4* match so probably. The Raven and Saturn singles matches, also
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Jerusalem posted:Even then they managed to gently caress it up for a lot of people by one of the cable carriers cutting off the end of the match because they hadn't organized for the overrun Back then, my parents wouldn't buy the PPV's so that was the first PPV match I ever watched. So I was pretty happy they messed up the PPV. I was also a huge DDP mark, so I was super hyped about seeing a match with my two favorite wrestlers at the time. Admiral Joeslop posted:I remember Goldberg's match with Regal being pretty good, I haven't watched it in a while to see if it holds up. Regal could carry a rotten potato to at least a 4* match so probably. You mean the one where Regal decided to work stiff on Goldberg and got himself run out of the company?
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rujasu posted:Back then, my parents wouldn't buy the PPV's so that was the first PPV match I ever watched. So I was pretty happy they messed up the PPV. I was also a huge DDP mark, so I was super hyped about seeing a match with my two favorite wrestlers at the time. That story isn't true.
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