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I really hope the next election is fought on defending landlords.
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chestnut santabag posted:I've been wondering, how do the constitencies that have been represented by a speaker feel about that representation? It seems like they get shafted a bit by not having an MP who can fully support them in parliament and also historically having less choice on who to vote for due to the convention of the major parties not fielding candidates there (that the tories are about to start ignoring). The Speaker probably has more (potential) influence than any conventional MP. If he brings up a constituent matter to, say, the Minister for Health said Minister is slightly less likely to just ignore him than a random MP because if he pisses the Speaker off he's going to be in for a rough time at some point. Weirdly enough though bringing things up in Parliament is way, way down the list of things that MPs do as part of their constituency workload (see also Sinn Fein, who manage to do constituency work despite never sitting). Their actual role when it comes to individual constituents is more like being a directory to the functioning of Government, and the majority of their work is just referring people to the local authority and/or getting their staff to help the constituent in their dealings with said local authority. Individual MPs will have individual causes they're expert on and likely to deal with (for example I've had considerably more official contact with Peter Bottomley than Jim Fitzpatrick, my alleged representative in Parliament because Bottomley is a bit of a champion for people in dispute with housing associations, and he was massively helpful in getting my estate organised against a ridiculous money grab by my HA while Fitzpatrick didn't even bother answering a letter from our Labour councillors and just forwarded the letter our residents association sent him to the HA), but that's not a requirement.
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Bad news folks, the Boris fightback is on. His majority will be back in no time! MP Andrew Griffiths cleared of sex texts to two women
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Boris and AfD on one page, v cursed.
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Renting is fine, it's the fact that people profit because they had enough money for a deposit at the expense of those who can't afford a deposit that's the problem. If you can afford one, then even a mortgage is cheaper than renting, which is super hosed up. It's not just that they're paying the landlord's mortgage, the landlord also has the loving audacity to make profit because they had a lump sum of money that the renters do not. e and I can't believe this still needs explaining to people jfc. You're benefiting because you had money and they do not. That's not a fair way to determine who should be paying more for things they'll never own - it's the loving opposite.
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OwlFancier posted:Boris and AfD on one page, v cursed. the racism was bad but these bürger liching plans of theirs just sound unhygenic
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Angepain posted:the racism was bad but these bürger liching plans of theirs just sound unhygenic The only way to kill the Burger Lich is to destroy its Frylactory
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Angepain posted:the racism was bad but these bürger liching plans of theirs just sound unhygenic
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Miftan posted:Renting is fine, it's the fact that people profit because they had enough money for a deposit at the expense of those who can't afford a deposit that's the problem. If you can afford one, then even a mortgage is cheaper than renting, which is super hosed up. It's not just that they're paying the landlord's mortgage, the landlord also has the loving audacity to make profit because they had a lump sum of money that the renters do not. (this isn't an insane argument, but arguing from the inegalitarianism of credit rather than affordability of housing per se leads to the actually-existing policy of Help to Buy as the cure-all)
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Miftan posted:Renting is fine, it's the fact that people profit because they had enough money for a deposit at the expense of those who can't afford a deposit that's the problem. If you can afford one, then even a mortgage is cheaper than renting, which is super hosed up. It's not just that they're paying the landlord's mortgage, the landlord also has the loving audacity to make profit because they had a lump sum of money that the renters do not. Actually no, renting is not fine, having enough money to buy a house in cash and then renting it is also pretty bad. It's not just BtL landlords that are the problem, it's the very existence of landlords.
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Pochoclo posted:Actually no, renting is not fine, having enough money to buy a house in cash and then renting it is also pretty bad. It's not just BtL landlords that are the problem, it's the very existence of landlords. You're right, I was referring to something like state owned housing being rented extremely cheaply, not private landlords. I wasn't being clear about that at all. ronya posted:(this isn't an insane argument, but arguing from the inegalitarianism of credit rather than affordability of housing per se leads to the actually-existing policy of Help to Buy as the cure-all) They're not mutually exclusive.
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You know those youtube videos of movies dubbed over with Half-Life sound effects that are hilarious? I want to make a Parliament with Half-Life sounds, it's probably actually an improvement
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Pochoclo posted:You know those youtube videos of movies dubbed over with Half-Life sound effects that are hilarious? I want to make a Parliament with Half-Life sounds, it's probably actually an improvement egon gun noise every time bercow opens his mouth
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Pochoclo posted:You know those youtube videos of movies dubbed over with Half-Life sound effects that are hilarious? I want to make a Parliament with Half-Life sounds, it's probably actually an improvement Why do we all have to wear these ridiculous ties? e: actually what's better, Parliament dubbed with Half-Life sounds of Half-Life dubbed with Parliament sounds? all the monsters braying at you like mps
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DIVISIIIIIIOOOOONNN! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8-67-zGZUE The_Doctor fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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Angepain posted:Why do we all have to wear these ridiculous ties? New HoundEye SFX: HEAR HEAR YEAAAAAAAH
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namesake posted:Well considering who he spends all his time with I'm not surprised he's gotten that impression. Twitter has seemed entirely compromised just like all the other comment box companies and it was inevitable @jack account would get a break-in from a simple phone spoof.
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The_Doctor posted:Meanwhile, from here in Berlin. What, me Brexit?
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Lmao at the fact that there is more than one member of the press who has been cucked by Boris Johnson and still gives him full support https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1170680111877754886?s=21
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Pochoclo posted:You know those youtube videos of movies dubbed over with Half-Life sound effects that are hilarious? I want to make a Parliament with Half-Life sounds, it's probably actually an improvement Boris is obviously the baby boss dying sound.
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Noxville posted:Lmao at the fact that there is more than one member of the press who has been cucked by Boris Johnson and still gives him full support It rules that it's an open secret that our Prime Minister has scores of bastards across the country but our press only mention it in passing or through codes hidden if stories about our schools falling test scores.
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Or by referring to him as the leader of the Conservative Party.
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Pochoclo posted:Actually no, renting is not fine, having enough money to buy a house in cash and then renting it is also pretty bad. It's not just BtL landlords that are the problem, it's the very existence of landlords. Yes, everyone should live in a rabidly neoliberal society as if they live in a socialist utopia, even when by doing so they actively damage their prospects. For this reason nobody should buy stocks (most companies are structured to hurt workers) and should not work in any industry which causes harm or supports capital in any way. Preferably you should be unemployed or only work for NGOs and communes regardless of whether you can actually survive by doing that. Even as you starve to death in an ice cold flat, your sense of moral superiority will surely keep you warm. We're all implicated in capitalist domination already and dunking on individual landlords achieves nothing. I don't understand the tendency of other socialists to single out individuals for problems which are the product of the current structure of productive forces. People will be landlords as long as there is a profit motive to do so, and moral shaming is a useless strategy if you want to see private landlords abolished.
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An army of little Boris Johnsons running about, waiting to reach maturity before they group together and Take Back Control luckily they're going to be as good at it as he is so it'll mostly just be entertaining. I hope they do the thing where one of them has a ladder and bashes the other one on the head when he turns around
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i don't think anyone's said all landlords are bastards yet so i would like to point out that all landlords are bastardsAngepain posted:An army of little Boris Johnsons running about, waiting to reach maturity before they group together and Take Back Control what if we get an alucard situation going
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What makes a man write a newspaper article praising the father of his wife's bastard child? How do you get to that place in life?
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actually market rents are good because people can always choose not living
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Any of y'all know anything about this? https://twitter.com/c4dispatches/status/1170678480025149440?s=21
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Pochoclo posted:Actually no, renting is not fine, having enough money to buy a house in cash and then renting it is also pretty bad. It's not just BtL landlords that are the problem, it's the very existence of landlords. yes publicly owned property is wrong, people should just choose to own whatever they choose to live in
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:actually market rents are good because people can always choose not living Or they'll get sectioned and stuck under constant surveillance and manhandling until their mental state improves. Seems like the only effective way to end your life without the state trying to stop you is to have inside info on powerful nonces.
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Um, like I get socialism and socialists - even have a tendency to lean in that direction myself - but this blanket landlord hate is kinda mental. You own something. Someone else wants to use it a time. You charge them. Where's the problem?
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Exioce posted:Um, like I get socialism and socialists - even have a tendency to lean in that direction myself - but this blanket landlord hate is kinda mental. You own something. Someone else wants to use it a time. You charge them. Where's the problem? It's rent-seeking off dead capital, OP.
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Exioce posted:Um, like I get socialism and socialists - even have a tendency to lean in that direction myself - but this blanket landlord hate is kinda mental. You own something. Someone else wants to use it a time. You charge them. Where's the problem? The problem is that the only reason you can do that is because you own something and they don't. That is a fundamental inequality, and one that is the root of most of the problems in the world. Most wealth is inherited, or the product of inherited privileges. That means you almost certainly did not earn it, and even if you did earn it, why should it enable you to take money from other people? Also "want" is doing some extremely heavy lifting in that sentence. People don't "want" to live somewhere, they need to live somewhere. And wouldn't you know, all the wheres they need to live require them to pay rent. Still further, what exactly is your rent paying for? Houses do not, typically, require even a fraction of the normal rental price putting into them in order for them to continue existing, so what is the justification for that cost, in your mind? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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OwlFancier posted:The problem is that the only reason you can do that is because you own something and they don't. That is a fundamental inequality, and one that is the root of most of the problems in the world. Seems weird to be so angry about landlords specifically though since like you said, that fundamental inequality affects pretty much everything in our society
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Andrast posted:Seems weird to be so angry about landlords specifically though since like you said, that fundamental inequality affects pretty much everything in our society Mate you haven't lurked this thread enough if you don't understand how much we hate literally everything like that. But landlording is the most transparent, immediate manifestation of that, and one we all have to deal with. It's literally being forced to give some worthless piece of poo poo money because all the worthless pieces of poo poo got together and decided they would rig it so that you have to do that, and if you don't the pigs come along and gently caress you up. It is pure, distilled capitalism and hatred is the appropriate response. Landlords do nothing, produce nothing, are worth nothing, less than nothing, the world would be infinitely improved if every single one of them were dead and rotting in the street. They are bigger parasites than the most outrageous welfare chiseller. They are fat, lazy, disgusting drains on the collective wellbeing of humanity and if the thought of their extirpation doesn't get you to at least a half chub then there's something wrong with you. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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Exioce posted:Um, like I get socialism and socialists - even have a tendency to lean in that direction myself - but this blanket landlord hate is kinda mental. You own something. Someone else wants to use it a time. You charge them. Where's the problem? Consider the problems with privatised healthcare. The problems with landlordism are pretty much identical. Basically, housing, like medicine, is an essential need that places way too much power in the hands of the seller, and shouldn't be left up to a system as inherently predatory as the free market.
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