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Fashionable Jorts posted:True, but I think a lot of what makes SA so special these days is the history. Losing rap sheets and ancient threads would really suck. The old site would still be there as archives. You could get to the end of someone's rap sheet and see "click here to see their old offences" or maybe it would populate automatically by hitting the archives server.
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I remember the xenforo people giving a quote of "20k probably" to fully port the forums. With the patreon pulling in 10k+ a month isn't this achievable? Like say it ends up actually costing 40k. If you earmark $1500 every month for the port and use the rest for debt repayments, medical bills cost of living etc then in about 2 years you have enough to get it done with an actual professional team
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Zidrooner posted:I remember the xenforo people giving a quote of "20k probably" to fully port the forums. With the patreon pulling in 10k+ a month isn't this achievable? Like say it ends up actually costing 40k. If you earmark $1500 every month for the port and use the rest for debt repayments, medical bills cost of living etc then in about 2 years you have enough to get it done with an actual professional team This is a fruitless road. Those suggesting the forums should just be started fresh on a modern system are right. We should do that. It'll never happen.
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Hadn't noticed any difference.
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:realistically you'd "just" need to migrate over usernames and passwords. new forums means no post history, and new user preferences that need to be configured anyway. that is a very load-bearing "just" though I don't see this being a huge hurdle, even if you have a completely new forum with an unaffiliated database. In the new forum with the registration page, have it check if the username is in use on the old forum. Either whip up a quick API that exposes usernames to this new forum or have it execute a search in the existing forum UI for that user (probably slow and terrible). If the username exists prompt the user to update their old SA profile and include some unique key. Salted MD5 of the username? Whatever. Some string that lets the new forum know that this person trying to register an account has access to the old account. New forum re-checks the profile for the key. If found, process the registration as normal. Otherwise prompt them to try again. Bam. New forum has zero dependencies on the legacy code while still reserving usernames for existing posters. Sounds like something that can be cranked out in like a day with half a bottle of whiskey. My team gives me poo poo for using PHP so much, but for these kinds of solutions it's super easy to implement quickly. foghorn fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Sep 7, 2019 |
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Sep 7, 2019 22:52
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Just turn the forums into a private facebook group, make zuckerberg front the bill.
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Sep 7, 2019 22:57
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Fashionable Jorts posted:Just turn the forums into a private facebook group, make zuckerberg front the bill. Good luck finding the one  thread in a sea full of shitposts in a FB group.
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If something happens to these forums I don't know what we'll all do, it'll be like going back on the dating scene after having been married for a couple decades...
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Alucard posted:If something happens to these forums I don't know what we'll all do, it'll be like going back on the dating scene after having been married for a couple decades... Both scenarios involve sitting alone in a room, crying and masturbating a lot.
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HugeGrossBurrito posted:I need to forums to be as fast as possible I’m sorry lowtax I hope you understand this means you can’t turn it off
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Have you thought about getting a job op
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Dial-a-Dog posted:Have you thought about getting a job op Hasn’t posted in a year, comes back when his lovely offsite is shut down to own the webmaster in an incredibly salty way.
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either that's an enormous overreaction or there's a lot of missing context here
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Sep 8, 2019 11:30
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WRT archives maybe Lowtax should just get in contact with https://www.archive.org give them an archive account and then let them archive the pages. Like archives are “nice” but basically I never use it. Let someone else worry about hosting it.
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Just use the old forum auth system with new forums Burn down the colo op and then use insurance money to rebuild the forums
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Cloudflare IPO is this week, just buy some and then YOU can tell THEM what to do which is exactly how stock ownership works
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Thought the forums had gone to crap again this morning but it turns out it was just my dying router. So basically, just save the $3000 and send me $50 for a new router please, Mr. Tax.
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Slow this train down, chop and screw the forums
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I'm curious, what is the actual basis for "new forum software will be cheaper to run" beyond just "lol VB2 suxx"? Because Xenforo keeps getting brought up and I remembered that the turbonerds at spacebattles.com use that software (and, as I recall, basically get a shitload of help by dint of one of their long-time users being an actual Xenforo developer) so I wandered over to take a look... https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/state-of-sb-message.764191/ quote:SB is quickly outgrowing our hosting arrangement. We currently host SB on 7 variously spec'd VM instances with Linode that have a combined total of 19 CPU cores and 37GB of RAM. Unfortunately due the nature of how SB works we are extremely sensitive to CPU steal causing performance issues on the back end and VM instances are notorious for CPU steal. As a result of this we are increasingly having trouble keeping things running smoothly. They go on to say they're looking at abandoning Linode entirely and running their own dedicated hardware. As of this post they're showing about 2700 registered users logged in, versus SA's 4100. Does anyone remember (or does Lowtax want to chime in with) how much hardware (virtual or otherwise) is propping this place up? I would hate to see "the new software will fix everything!!" followed by "the new software has all these problems", which happens in real life quite a bit.
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Dox ZDR and lets get 'im
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It is based on what Lowtax mentioned himself IIRC. He said the current setup scales very poorly and he has to throw extra VMs just to keep it afloat. And it is not just about that, but the fact the forum runs on a mystery hodge-podge setup so it's hard to make any type of improvement. Yeah, if you replace with another hodge-podge but with new shiny technology then gently caress all will be solved, but we are assuming it will be done by someone competent and not the third incarnation of radium. And it's not about the amount of registered users but the activity. How many of those 4100 users are still around and are not just ghost accounts? Also SB loads fast as hell. They could probably run on half the setup if they were willing to let the site load slower.
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Has anyone considered closing the forums and just having us mail physical letters to each other? Lowtax could be a kind of sorting person and make copies so we all get our 'posts'. We're already paying for the postal service this whole website thing seems like a waste tbqh
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Vegetable posted:Dox ZDR and lets get 'im let's gently caress him up. let's get his rear end
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anyone who thinks it is a good idea to throw out a fully functional product that users have 10+ years of comfort with should be shot into the sun. there are thousands of bug fixes and SA specific improvements to this code. this article is actually as old as this stupid forum and remains correct today. it might as well have been written about this place: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/
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charity rereg posted:anyone who thinks it is a good idea to throw out a fully functional product that users have 10+ years of comfort with should be shot into the sun. there are thousands of bug fixes and SA specific improvements to this code. This seems like a completely ridiculous take on the situation. No one is saying the forums software should be completely rewritten from the ground up, they're saying there isn't much about this place that couldn't be run on a much more efficient *existing* platform that would save thousands of dollars in overhead. The article above assumes that the project was written well in the first place. When it comes to Something Awful, we know for a fact that half the forum functions were completely Frankensteined together by Radium and never done properly in the first place. The argument is that it would be cheaper to start SA over somewhere else rather than paying people to dig through all the code spaghetti to make it work better. There Bias Two fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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Broken Bio Qlock posted:And it's not about the amount of registered users but the activity. How many of those 4100 users are still around and are not just ghost accounts? Farmer Crack-rear end posted:As of this post they're showing about 2700 registered users logged in, versus SA's 4100.
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I'm really not dumping on Lowtax but dude recently had a what would you guys like to see changed thread and he's probably not looking for a completely new forum. Seems like whenever he posts now, the thread turns into this discussion. Let it go nerds.
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It's a byproduct of a successful crowdfunding run. Once the masses think he's on his way to digging out of the medical debt grave, they start wondering about actually moving over to Titan, Xenforo, VBulletin X+alpha or whatever because it shouldn't be that financially insurmountable anymore.
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Lowtax is going to come back and see all these replies that nobody's written 1000x before, read them, realize how to fix the forum and implement it.
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Charles posted:Lowtax is going to come back and see all these replies that nobody's written 1000x before, read them, realize how to fix the forum and implement it. I'm my mind I just thumbs upped your post.
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It'd be really great if we could have some kind of accounting of where all the donations are going. Knowing that the $11k from patreon is going to paying off Lowtax's medical debt first and any changes to the forums won't happen for another decade would at least reduce the number of posts asking about xenforo, and it'd probably help increase the donations if we knew that every extra dollar gets SA 1 day closer to being a less-antiquated forum.
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Broken Bio Qlock posted:It is based on what Lowtax mentioned himself IIRC. He said the current setup scales very poorly and he has to throw extra VMs just to keep it afloat. And it is not just about that, but the fact the forum runs on a mystery hodge-podge setup so it's hard to make any type of improvement. Yeah, if you replace with another hodge-podge but with new shiny technology then gently caress all will be solved, but we are assuming it will be done by someone competent and not the third incarnation of radium. Sure, but again, how does SA's resource consumption compare with other forums? Just because SA "scales very poorly" doesn't necessarily mean other forums scale better. Has anyone actually looked into the codebase of other forums software? Do we know that it's actually competently written and not just a somewhat-better set of hodgepodge fixes? And Anne Whateley beat me to it, but 4100 was the forums index page's count for "currently logged in". Same page shows over 200,000 total user accounts, many of which probably are inactive (or banned, lol).
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Wizzanthos posted:It'd be really great if we could have some kind of accounting of where all the donations are going. Knowing that the $11k from patreon is going to paying off Lowtax's medical debt first and any changes to the forums won't happen for another decade would at least reduce the number of posts asking about xenforo, and it'd probably help increase the donations if we knew that every extra dollar gets SA 1 day closer to being a less-antiquated forum. I don't really give a poo poo about this. The forums aren't around without Lowtax anyway.
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Wizzanthos posted:It'd be really great if we could have some kind of accounting of where all the donations are going. Knowing that the $11k from patreon is going to paying off Lowtax's medical debt first and any changes to the forums won't happen for another decade would at least reduce the number of posts asking about xenforo, and it'd probably help increase the donations if we knew that every extra dollar gets SA 1 day closer to being a less-antiquated forum. Lol this is so stupid.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not inherently opposed to migrating to different forum software, I would just like to know that the assertion that another system will be cheaper to operate is based on more than just because it's newer and not tainted by Radium.
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Wizzanthos posted:It'd be really great if we could have some kind of accounting of where all the donations are going. In the old donations thread, I formally requested that my few bucks a month get blown on something stupid. But have I seen a single Archie McPhee receipt? No! This will not stand. Why, for all I know, he could be using that money for food, shelter or medical care!
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Powered Descent posted:In the old donations thread, I formally requested that my few bucks a month get blown on something stupid. He bought a bunch of bad porn games on steam for gaming garbage hopefully that counts haha
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