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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bug Squash posted:

Gaddafi was a big supporter of anti-apartheid work. Mandela's autobiography details a meeting where he gives them a big load of guns for the cause.

He was a peculiar man, to say the least. Dropped a plane on me dad's home town, so I'm not sorry he's dead.
Didn't that turn out to be the Iranians and the intelligence community made up a whole thing about it being Libya because Ronnie Reagan wanted it to be?

e: 140 Gaddafi loyalists were extrajudicially executed in a single incident in September 2011.

Guavanaut fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Sep 9, 2019

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BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."
Total aside, kind of weird seeing Big Mac looking so boyish.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Sanitary Naptime posted:

Good morning all.

The next episode of Podcasting Is Praxis is going to be a bit of a focus on the DWP and the hell that has been the effects of Tory policy the last few years.

We’re looking for someone with experience of the move from ESA/JSA or similar to Universal Credit who wishes to talk about their experience.

Don’t worry if you’re concerned in any way about your identity, feel free to use a false name.

If you’re interested and available tomorrow night around half seven for an hour or two, let me know either here or in the discord.

Seems optimistic that the runtime won’t be all taken up by whatever madness happens in politics at the moment. I think you should probably wait until things calm down a bit.

That said, I listened to your second episode (excellent, btw), and on there you threatened a couple of times to do a Toby Young episode. Anyway, I’d like to put my hat in the ring for whenever you get around to that - Toby lives nearby me and literally created his Free School (and arguably the entire free school movement) in order to avoid sending his children to my old secondary (comprehensive) school. Also, I just took delivery of a Blue Yeti microphone, so the sound quality should be okay.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Guavanaut posted:

Didn't that turn out to be the Iranians and the intelligence community made up a whole thing about it being Libya because Ronnie Reagan wanted it to be?

Gaddafi also wanted the notoriety that came with accepting blame I think

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Didn't that turn out to be the Iranians and the intelligence community made up a whole thing about it being Libya because Ronnie Reagan wanted it to be?

e: 140 Gaddafi loyalists were extrajudicially executed in a single incident in September 2011.

Not as far as I'm aware, no, I think that must be some other bombing. It came after the US shot down a Libyan passenger plane, and was explicitly a revenge bombing.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Remember when Tony Blair convinced Gadaffi to give up all those WMDs he never had. That was bizarre.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bug Squash posted:

Not as far as I'm aware, no, I think that must be some other bombing. It came after the US shot down a Libyan passenger plane, and was explicitly a revenge bombing.
It was, but years after some Iranian officials claimed it was a revenge bombing for Iran Air Flight 655 being shot down by the USS Vincennes, not the Libyan plane.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






goddamnedtwisto posted:

Hmm, why would illegal taxi drivers in China have a much lower rate of reported offences? :iiam: This might be the most ridiculous bit of Uber-justification I've ever seen.

Meanwhile in London Uber attempted to bypass existing laws on driver vetting and car inspections for PHV operators, failed to report sexual assaults by it's drivers, and used dodgy private detective companies to work out which of their users worked for TfL to ensure only certain of their drivers were ever sent to them.

JFC people and dismissing statistics. Uber’s hilariously evil business practices aside, if you think app-based ride hailing , where every ride is traceable, is more likely to have unreported crime than some dude in a Xiali who picks up a customer from the roadside, you’re hugely wrong. Not every taxi driver on the planet is a London cabbie, and not all regulation has the intention or effect of improving standards.

I’m also not aware of any evidence that people are reluctant to report crime on minicabs or ride hailing cars - which makes sense, because it would be insane to not report someone assaulting or mugging you just because it was an Uber or Ola driver or whatever.

I mean if you want to argue against the gig economy go right ahead, there are plenty of good reasons, but “more safety” isn’t an accurate reason to prefer licensed taxis.

Media Bloodbath
Mar 1, 2018

PIVOT TO ETERNAL SUFFERING
:hb:

And that's even from the "women, labor voters" panel. :stare:

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

I'm getting confused. This is the Lockerbie bombing yes? I thought it was pretty well established that was Libyan agents. Controversy existed on whether the ones brought to trial were the ones who did/ordered it though.

If there's been a major reversal in this outside conspiracy theories I'd very much appreciate a link about it.

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
"Nelson Mandela, Obama and My Mum" sounds like a porno

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

Bug Squash posted:

I'm getting confused. This is the Lockerbie bombing yes? I thought it was pretty well established that was Libyan agents. Controversy existed on whether the ones brought to trial were the ones who did/ordered it though.

If there's been a major reversal in this outside conspiracy theories I'd very much appreciate a link about it.

About as well established as the chemical weapons in Iraq

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Bug Squash posted:

I'm getting confused. This is the Lockerbie bombing yes? I thought it was pretty well established that was Libyan agents. Controversy existed on whether the ones brought to trial were the ones who did/ordered it though.

If there's been a major reversal in this outside conspiracy theories I'd very much appreciate a link about it.
Al-J did a documentary about it a few years ago and it's something that keeps coming up in the papers with varying degrees of credibility.

The US shot down so many people's passenger planes in the 80s that there's credible motive from multiple actors, it just so happened that Britain didn't want to rock the boat with Iran at that particular point in time, and it was convenient for both Reagan and Gadaffi to claim Libyan direction of the plot.

Ratjaculation
Aug 3, 2007

:parrot::parrot::parrot:



Lockerbie was a false flag operation, I've never met a Scottish person. FAKE NEWS

mediadave
Sep 8, 2011
So in one of John Simpson's books he says it was widely believed in the Gulf, just as a statement of fact, that it was the Iranians who did the Lockerbie bombing (perhaps subcontracting the job to the Syrians, who perhaps set up the Libyans as patsies).

Of course, just because its widely believed in the Gulf doesn't mean its true, conspiracy theories are fairly rampant there.

Reveilled
Apr 19, 2007

Take up your rifles

Ratjaculation posted:

Lockerbie was a false flag operation, I've never met a Scottish person. FAKE NEWS

On the other hand, almost everyone I've met is a scottish person, so statistically, most people, including the lockerbie bombers, are probably scottish.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Libya does good fried pasties. :yum:

chestnut santabag
Jul 3, 2006

Beefeater1980 posted:

JFC people and dismissing statistics. Uber’s hilariously evil business practices aside, if you think app-based ride hailing , where every ride is traceable, is more likely to have unreported crime than some dude in a Xiali who picks up a customer from the roadside, you’re hugely wrong. Not every taxi driver on the planet is a London cabbie, and not all regulation has the intention or effect of improving standards.

I’m also not aware of any evidence that people are reluctant to report crime on minicabs or ride hailing cars - which makes sense, because it would be insane to not report someone assaulting or mugging you just because it was an Uber or Ola driver or whatever.

I mean if you want to argue against the gig economy go right ahead, there are plenty of good reasons, but “more safety” isn’t an accurate reason to prefer licensed taxis.

All that traceable ride data is in the hands of a psychotic company who has absolutely no desire to portray themselves in any negative light whose preferred method of dealing with driver crime is for their riders to rate the drivers a one.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/zinovievletter/status/1170942019713273861

Sanitary Naptime
May 29, 2006

MIWK!


Comrade Fakename posted:

Seems optimistic that the runtime won’t be all taken up by whatever madness happens in politics at the moment. I think you should probably wait until things calm down a bit.

That said, I listened to your second episode (excellent, btw), and on there you threatened a couple of times to do a Toby Young episode. Anyway, I’d like to put my hat in the ring for whenever you get around to that - Toby lives nearby me and literally created his Free School (and arguably the entire free school movement) in order to avoid sending his children to my old secondary (comprehensive) school. Also, I just took delivery of a Blue Yeti microphone, so the sound quality should be okay.

Haha oh my, sure thing well let you know when that ones coming.

We reckon it’ll be fairly quiet and we’re recording tomorrow night tbh, can’t see many more big resignations or massive developments in case everything goes tits up and we get a badly timed election through magic.

Worst case scenario we end up recording two episodes this week :v:

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

chestnut santabag posted:

All that traceable ride data is in the hands of a psychotic company who has absolutely no desire to portray themselves in any negative light whose preferred method of dealing with driver crime is for their riders to rate the drivers a one.
So what you're saying is that we should nationalize Uber and make the anonymized data public and the code open source?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I think there was something in the Hollywood rumour mill about Gaddafi being connected to Dan Schneider and the other Nickelodeon paedophiles, who were piggybacking off the CIA torture network in Libya. Saw it somewhere in our Hollywood sexual abuse megathread.

Bug Squash
Mar 18, 2009

Guavanaut posted:

Al-J did a documentary about it a few years ago and it's something that keeps coming up in the papers with varying degrees of credibility.

The US shot down so many people's passenger planes in the 80s that there's credible motive from multiple actors, it just so happened that Britain didn't want to rock the boat with Iran at that particular point in time, and it was convenient for both Reagan and Gadaffi to claim Libyan direction of the plot.

Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

The Libyans still seem the most likely culprits. But, the Iranian theory isn't manifestly wrong like the usual conspiracy theory stuff. Discussion of this is pretty tangled with the usual 'lol US bad' chat, so it's probably not worth diving any deeper here.

chestnut santabag
Jul 3, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

So what you're saying is that we should nationalize Uber and make the anonymized data public and the code open source?

Well of course. (They already operate at a loss subsidising their rides so they're basically a public utility already :v:)

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
How anyone could consider this utterly moronic, blithering idiot, to be suitable material to run a tap let alone a government, I fail completely to understand.


quote:

Boris Johnson is reportedly ready to send a second letter to the EU - alongside the formal request for a three-month Brexit delay required of him by the Benn bill - explaining that he does not actually want any delay after 31 October.

Labour figures branded the scheme, first revealed in The Daily Telegraph, both “ridiculous” and illegal.

Charlie Falconer, the former Lord Chancellor, said any attempt to destroy the “statutory purpose” of the letter to Brussels requested of the PM would be to “break law”.

Labour’s shadow solicitor general Nick Thomas-Symonds said the idea of sending two conflicting letters was “monumentally ridiculous”.

https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1170829010487730176?s=20

AceOfFlames
Oct 9, 2012


Surprised there wasn't at least one response of "NO GODS, NO MASTERS"

PST
Jul 5, 2012

If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Worth it just for the Chernobyl reference

quote:

We begin this editorial with an apology to you, our faithful readers. In March, we described the Brexit situation, then careening through its third year and nowhere close to resolution, as an “omnishambles.”

An omnishambles is a state of utter chaos, total disorder and perfect mismanagement – which brings us to our apology. If you’ve been paying any attention to British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, you know that, in declaring United Kingdom politics to have reached peak shambolic six months ago, we spoke too soon. Oh, did we ever.

Because if the Conservative government was making an omnishambles of Brexit back in the spring – a happy era now remembered as a halcyon age of a merely half-hearted appetite for national self-destruction – then what words can adequately describe the scale of Mr. Johnson’s achievements?

Megashambles? Summa cum laude shambles? Tyrannosaurus shambles? The-Chernobyl-reactor-just-exploded-and-the-dosimeter-reads-15,000-roentgen shambles?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/editorials/article-how-bad-is-boris-johnson-we-cant-even-find-the-words/

notaspy
Mar 22, 2009

Private eye did a massive report on the lockerbie bombing and it was 100% not the Libya, and almost certainly the Iranians.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Guavanaut posted:

So what you're saying is that we should nationalize Uber and make the anonymized data public and the code open source?

You joke (I think) but I actually suspect that’s the logical endpoint of ride-hailing. It’s network effects all the way down.

E: you can see this from China and other countries where private car ownership isn’t well established; the ready availability of ride hailing had caused China’s car market, which was what all the auto manufacturers have been counting on, to implode. All the OEMs are worried, and they’re right to be.

Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Sep 9, 2019

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009


this clip makes more sense if you imagine he's just poo poo himself and is desperately trying to think of how to get out of this press conference without anyone noticing

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
I was intrigued by Adam Curtis' putting Syria in the frame

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Beefeater1980 posted:

You joke (I think) but I actually suspect that’s the logical endpoint of ride-hailing. It’s network effects all the way down.
It's what I'd like to happen. Or more likely, they should be run by the municipalities rather than nation-states. Not only because of my like of municipalism and the right to the city, but because logically most people are going to be taking Ubers within a particular county or municipality, the average Uber journey is 5-7 miles. Also traditionally it was the municipality that ran the trams or buses and gave out the taxi medallions, so it'd make more sense than National Uber or Uber England or whatever.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Beefeater1980 posted:

JFC people and dismissing statistics. Uber’s hilariously evil business practices aside, if you think app-based ride hailing , where every ride is traceable, is more likely to have unreported crime than some dude in a Xiali who picks up a customer from the roadside, you’re hugely wrong. Not every taxi driver on the planet is a London cabbie, and not all regulation has the intention or effect of improving standards.

I’m also not aware of any evidence that people are reluctant to report crime on minicabs or ride hailing cars - which makes sense, because it would be insane to not report someone assaulting or mugging you just because it was an Uber or Ola driver or whatever.

I mean if you want to argue against the gig economy go right ahead, there are plenty of good reasons, but “more safety” isn’t an accurate reason to prefer licensed taxis.

All rides are traced by a company that has a proven track record of actively obstructing investigations into criminal activity by it's drivers and entire business model in most of the world is based on breaking the law? Oh that's fine then.

The gig economy is evil but Uber are evil in ways that Victorian robber barons can only dream of.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






Guavanaut posted:

It's what I'd like to happen. Or more likely, they should be run by the municipalities rather than nation-states. Not only because of my like of municipalism and the right to the city, but because logically most people are going to be taking Ubers within a particular county or municipality, the average Uber journey is 5-7 miles. Also traditionally it was the municipality that ran the trams or buses and gave out the taxi medallions, so it'd make more sense than National Uber or Uber England or whatever.

The scale effects are relevant to this though. As of today, what Uber competitors like DiDi in China and Grab in SEA do is to sign partnerships with the big oil companies to get cheap petrol for drivers. That cuts operating costs massively.

Uber doesn’t make that an automatic right and preserves it for a favoured few drivers of course because, as mentioned, hilariously evil. But it is at least in theory a viable model for a state-run company - so long as it can leverage that scale.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1171010813240512512

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
:siren: ELECTION IS ON :siren:







Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Thanks for replies on lockpicking, genuinely interesting stuff. :)

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Beefeater1980 posted:

You joke (I think) but I actually suspect that’s the logical endpoint of ride-hailing. It’s network effects all the way down.

is there much of a network effect, really? there's nothing stopping drivers or customers from having ten apps on their phone. the value-add to drivers of being able to suggest customers who will bring them closer to a particular point is an end-of-shift thing

ride-sharing customers like the network effect too but they are, by definition, always going to be a penny-pinching demographic

a weak network effect is still consistent with some monopolization -- but it would imply very narrow margins

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

quote:

Boris Johnson 'not going to seek an extension', Downing Street says
Downing Street has also insisted, again, that Boris Johnson will refused to request an article 50 extension - even though legislation passed last week, and due to receive royal assent later today, would require him to do this if MPs do not pass a deal or vote to approve a no-deal Brexit. The prime minister’s spokesman told journalists at the morning lobby briefing:

quote:

The prime minister is not going to seek an extension.

If MPs want to resolve this there is an easy way - vote for an election today and let the public decide.

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