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It's not fascism when BoJo is enacting the Divine Will of the People through His Personal Mandate to crush the traitors within. Oh ... Edit: 2013/142/EU: are recommendations to make sure the European Parliament is a more democratic institution.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Can...can they make the Queen PM? I think trying that had something to do with the civil war.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:14
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OwlFancier posted:I think trying that had something to do with the civil war. If the Queen tried it.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:15
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Jedit posted:If the Queen tried it.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:16
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VideoGames posted:What on earth is going on. UKMT June 2016 to the inevitable heat death of the universe - What on earth is going on
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Sep 9, 2019 13:18
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:Pretty sure the French set the precedent for what to do when someone decides parliament isn't sovereign And the Russians perfected it. Run to the winter palace Liz! It'll do you no good! Eschenique fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Sep 9, 2019 |
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Sep 9, 2019 13:24
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I'm sure there's a brexit or Johnson metaphor here somewhere:quote:Sulfur-breathing creatures that feed on fool’s gold in caves have been found thousands of feet below the earth’s surface - a discovery which scientists say has the potential to unlock the secrets of how life began on earth and how it might survive on other planets. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/deep-cave-microbe-kidd-mine-university-toronto-aliens-evolution-a9097341.html
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Sep 9, 2019 13:29
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Jedit posted:If the Queen tried it.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:29
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Is there a rule that says the prime minister can't just yell through the door?
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Sep 9, 2019 13:31
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bump_fn posted:what’s the way you could challenge bojo ignoring / misconstruing the law? take him to court? Based on assorted Barristers comments on this 1) Court order compelling him to obey the law or be found in contempt of court 2) Being arrested and charged with Misconduct in public office contrary to section 1(1) of the Criminal Law Act 1977 (and everyone encouraging him to do would be open to conspiracy charges for the above) 3) Not that it would stop him, but he'd also be open to a civil tort for misfeasance in a public office, damages for which would have to be assessed inline with the harm every part of the UK experienced because of that misfeasance. So bankruptcy. PST fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Sep 9, 2019 |
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Sep 9, 2019 13:32
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There's a lot of options, essentially, but like all politics what matters is whether people are willing to pursue them, because I'm not sure if you can make a political system that works against the desires of all its constituent components.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:36
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Is the meeting on the 18th the only chance we get to ask for an extension?
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Sep 9, 2019 13:36
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notaspy posted:Is the meeting on the 18th the only chance we get to ask for an extension? He can send an email anytime he wants up until the deadline. But the act passed requires him to do it by the 18th in the event of, etc. And as he's proroguing, he can't have an acceptable deal to parliament passed by then (not that he was trying to) so he has to do it on the 18th (or before). PST fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Sep 9, 2019 |
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Sep 9, 2019 13:38
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OwlFancier posted:Is there a rule that says the prime minister can't just yell through the door?
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Sep 9, 2019 13:40
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Following the age-old template of just deciding to ignore convention and see what happens, hoping that nobody has the balls to stand up to it. Emergency powers no doubt on the horizon. No doubt he thinks he's loving Caesar or something.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:44
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Nice piece of fish posted:Ol' Boris didn't really handle his defeat very graciously did he? Now he's wanting to be in open defiance of parliament? How's that going to pan out? John McDonnell hosting a civil war reenactment day immediately after Parliament closes. https://youtu.be/jvhDQcfN-3c
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Sep 9, 2019 13:45
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Boris Johnson is a loving moron, I think this threat to ignore the law is just some ridiculous gambit to try and get MPs to vote for an election at the cost of dignity, intelligence and reputation.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:45
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Turns out that that 19th century gentlemen's handshake doesn't actually prevent people from going hog wild on the law. Who could have seen it coming?
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Sep 9, 2019 13:46
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https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1171034427528343556
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Sep 9, 2019 13:46
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Haha oh my, sure thing well let you know when that ones coming. Adding to the chorus of people really enjoying the podcast. One thing that struck me when you were reading that idiot's article in the first episode - it seemed like none of you had heard of Eliezer Yudkowsky. You owe it to yourself to read up a bit, particularly if you plan to do a Cummings ep at some point, the story is wild. It involves an atheist cult, a Harry Potter fanfic, and a volcano lair full of catgirls, among other things.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:47
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notaspy posted:Is the meeting on the 18th the only chance we get to ask for an extension? No, but any other would require an emergency session. Here's a fun thought: an emergency vote to amend the Benn Bill to invest plenipotentiary powers in an individual who will then ask for an extension on the PM's behalf. Honestly this should have been done in the first place, but nobody seriously considered that Boris would set himself above the law.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:47
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I think the Sun's cartoonist got a headstart on this 
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Sep 9, 2019 13:50
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Goddamn look at that strong BoJo chin and muscular face.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:52
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Jedit posted:No, but any other would require an emergency session. I mean, it wouldn't have passed originally, but it doesn't seem like a bad idea now
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Sep 9, 2019 13:52
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Wolfsbane posted:It involves an atheist cult An atheist cult that logics their way into being terrified of a wrathful god and reinventing Pascal's wager, no less!
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Sep 9, 2019 13:55
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Flayer posted:Boris Johnson is a loving moron, I think this threat to ignore the law is just some ridiculous gambit to try and get MPs to vote for an election at the cost of dignity, intelligence and reputation. Ask any American how placing your hopes in norms and institutions against the whims of a moron works out. It doesn't.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:57
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Mahoning posted:Ask any American how placing your hopes in norms and institutions against the whims of a moron works out. No see, British institutions are stronger!
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Sep 9, 2019 13:59
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:No see, British institutions are stronger! I mean, having a written constitution isn't working so well for them when one branch of government is just ignoring it after all.
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Sep 9, 2019 14:00
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lol BoJo is just trying to borrow a page from Trump's book and look alpha. I doubt it will A) work and B) that he has the balls
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Sep 9, 2019 14:00
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Wolfsbane posted:Adding to the chorus of people really enjoying the podcast. Don't forget the Metal Snake Future AI
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Sep 9, 2019 14:03
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Bug Squash posted:I'm getting confused. This is the Lockerbie bombing yes? I thought it was pretty well established that was Libyan agents. Controversy existed on whether the ones brought to trial were the ones who did/ordered it though. According to the investigation report they found a piece of circuit board that was identified as part of an electronic timer. The popular conspiracy theories circle around some apparent sloppiness in evidence handling of this part and weird discrepancies like this, from the wikipedia article: quote:Mebo's owner, Edwin Bollier, testified at the trial that the Scottish police had originally shown him a fragment of a brown 8-ply circuit board from a prototype timer which had never been supplied to Libya. Yet the sample he was asked to identify at the trial was a green 9-ply circuit board that Mebo had indeed supplied to Libya. Bollier wanted to pursue this discrepancy, but was told by trial judge Lord Sutherland that he could not do so.[[57]] and quote:On 18 July 2007, Ulrich Lumpert admitted he had lied at the trial.[[59]]In an affidavit before a Zurich notary public, Lumpert stated that he had stolen a prototype MST-13 printed circuit board from Mebo and gave it without permission on 22 June 1989, to "an official person investigating the Lockerbie case".[60] Dr Hans Köchler, a UN observer at the Lockerbie trial who received a copy of Lumpert's affidavit, said: "The Scottish authorities are now obliged to investigate this situation. Not only has Mr Lumpert admitted to stealing a sample of the timer, but to the fact he gave it to an official and then lied in court." The most interesting Lockerbie conspiracy theory is a minority opinion arguing there wasn't a bomb explosion at all. According to this theory the cargo door failed mid flight, causing an instant depressurization event collapsing the adjacent passenger deck floor and forward bulkhead, leading to center fuel tank explosion and decapitation of the front of the plane, including the bit with the upper deck and the cockpit. The door failure mode according to this theory would be identical to the one of UA 811, the one that landed in Hawaii with a big chunk of skin missing, the difference being that the UA811 was a matter of luck and less powerful depressurization event owing to a lower flight altitude. The Lockerbie and 811 incidents occurred within months of each other, and the Lockerbie flight would not have had the cargo door fixes applied that became standard after 811.
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Junior G-man posted:Turns out that that 19th century gentlemen's handshake doesn't actually prevent people from going hog wild on the law. to be fair after cameron going hog wild is basically a british pm tradition
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Sep 9, 2019 14:06
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Boris Johnson could never look alpha because the man is a shambling mess. It was an embarrassment seeing him creeping around with Trump. He looks like an actual clown.
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Sep 9, 2019 14:07
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Do you guys think Cameron calls himself a sex pig
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Sep 9, 2019 14:08
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It's not that the institutions are stronger, again, it's a matter of political will. I would suggest that if boris openly defies parliament then his former MPs really have no reason not to fuckbarrel him over it. Again they already threw in their prospects under this administration so they have really no reason at all to not double down on taking a big steamy dump on boris's ambitions to be cromwell 2 (cancel christmas, gently caress ireland, definitely not the king in a different hat)
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Sep 9, 2019 14:09
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UnlimitedSpessmans posted:Do you guys think Cameron calls himself a sex pig Incredible Porker
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We're back at Is a greater breach of decorum for the PM to ignore parliament or is a greater breach of decorum to jail the PM Probably the latter, parliament will shut up and take it before they impose real consequences on a fellow etonian
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Sep 9, 2019 14:13
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Flayer posted:Boris Johnson could never look alpha because the man is a shambling mess. It was an embarrassment seeing him creeping around with Trump. It's amazing that this guy manages to make Donald Trump look like an elder statesman.
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Wolfsbane posted:Adding to the chorus of people really enjoying the podcast. Thanks pal!  drat, that sounds fuckin lmao, perhaps a bonus episode down the line with a deep dive on Cummings is in order. We’ve got so much we want to do and so little fuckin time, but I’ll file that away on the back burner because lmao
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So after today are we just going out be in limbo for a month, waiting to see what last minute nonsense Johnson pulls to get out of this?
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