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Yeah but have you considered the visceral experience of Rosetta Stoned being about eating Krispy Kreme and Taco Bell while high af on LSD? If you read up on the supposed patient (Albert Hoffman) and the doctor (R Gordon Wasson) it's even better....although there's no reason the doctor would have an English accent.
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Chalk me up as another one who never really got into 10,000 days despite Tool being my favourite band during my teens/early twenties. I think by then I'd moved onto a wider range of music and didn't really have the patience for an album like that. Having to work full time, instead of being able to laze around as a student, stoned, with flatmates who were also fans, probably didn't help either. My favourite Tool moment was seeing the Lateralus tour here in New Zealand (we love them here, per capita we're their biggest market) and crowd surfing in the pit during The Grudge. Floating on top of the massive crowd right in front of the band was something else. First and only time I ever crowd surfed, but drat was it good. And yeah the body painted contortionist dancers were the poo poo. As far as FI goes, ehhh it's alright, definitely has it's moments but like many have said, I think some tighter song structures wouldn't be a bad thing. Need to listen more though and revisit 10k. Also, what really drew me to tool was their whole aesthetic, with the videos and visuals complimenting the music so well and to create a cohesive atmosphere. I haven't really had that feeling since Lateralus. Speaking of, any idea if there will be any Adam Jones created videos for this album?
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Sep 7, 2019 23:10
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il_cornuto posted:The title track is easily the best thing about 10,000 days. They might be known for playing with time signatures and being an "intellectual" band but Tool have always been at their best when some emotion comes through IMO, which is probably why I like Aenima the best. 10,000 days actually being about something personal instead of philisophical musings on the failings of mankind makes it hit a lot harder. Very true
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Sep 7, 2019 23:34
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Nail Rat posted:Yeah but have you considered the visceral experience of Rosetta Stoned being about eating Krispy Kreme and Taco Bell while high af on LSD? Australian surely
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il_cornuto posted:The title track is easily the best thing about 10,000 days. They might be known for playing with time signatures and being an "intellectual" band but Tool have always been at their best when some emotion comes through IMO, which is probably why I like Aenima the best. 10,000 days actually being about something personal instead of philisophical musings on the failings of mankind makes it hit a lot harder. See I kind of think the same thing but have a different conclusion about the quality of the song. My problem with the song is that the emotion of the music doesn’t match the emotion of the lyrical and thematic content. It’s bland, repetitive, and just doesn’t deliver the visceral impact that so many of their other songs have. It should be a killer song, one of their most soaring epics, yet it’s kind of a dud musically. This might have something to do with their songwriting process, Maynard just comes along at the end and lays down lyrics on songs that were already written without any particular theme in mind. A more collaborative approach might have resulted in a more fitting song. I like every other song on the album but those two tracks were such a disappointment that it drags the whole album down. It’s below FI in my ranking.
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At least 10,000 Days has some memorable hooks. So I finished my dork rear end fan edit of Fear Inoculum. My main beef with the album is when the progression of the songs grinds to a halt so Adam could do monotonous open D chugging for 16 measures, followed by another 16 measures of drum and bass grooves while he sustains 3 notes over and over, and this happens in a lot of the tracks. Or those moments of repeating, uninteresting plodding power chords that sound like my first garage band. I tried to tighten all that poo poo up. I barely edited the title track, otoh l just straight up excised the last third of Culling Voices and turned it into an interlude, and chopped the hell out of Tempest. Pretty much every song has something rearranged here or there. I ran them all through a de-crackle to curb a good portion of the clipping static too. I know it's ocd as hell, but eh, it was a fun exercise, and I do think the overall song structure/progression is improved with some liberal editing.
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Sep 8, 2019 00:10
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Upload please
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When 10,000 Days was released there was a good contingent of the online Tool fan community who were convinced that it was a "decoy" album and the real one would surely be different! Specifically the major theory hinged around The Pot being an outtake from the Undertow days that was recorded in the 90s. Tool fans are weird.
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my bony fealty posted:Tool fans are weird.* *see also: fan edits of albums that are already really good
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my bony fealty posted:Tool fans are weird. As a Tool fan, I totally agree.
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Sep 8, 2019 02:44
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Same.
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Yeah, guys, but we're def not those Tool fans, right? Right?? poo poo.
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I was there for the fake 10k days theory, I bought it entirely and was in deep. Good times.
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No you see you take both 10,000 Days track, reverse one of them, and patch in another song, and play them at the same time! That's the real track!
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ICHIBAHN posted:I was there for the fake 10k days theory, I bought it entirely and was in deep. Good times. I took the edgy position that I could definitely tell Justin was using a fretless bass on some of the songs so they had to have been newly recorded. Being 15 was cool. To be fair to everyone Tool did pull the "fake tracklist" thing before Lateralus so of course the logical next step was FAKE ALBUM
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Absolutely, it a lot of people being hopeful because I guess 10k Days appeared to be a little short on songs. Same thing happened with King of Limbs.
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Totally Huge posted:
For whatever reason, that seemed so completely unreasonable to me at the time. Now I'm 37 and would gladly pay double that if I knew where to find them and my wife and kids were gone for the weekend.
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dick wizard posted:I was at this show and don't remember glitter or beach balls but I do remember being disgusted at the guy who wanted 15 dollars a gram for mushrooms. I am probably wrong about which tour it was. But the glitter thing definitely happened during Parabola one of the 2 times I saw them. It was pretty cool.
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Sep 9, 2019 03:44
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Yes I remember a rain of red glitter. I remember some rumor that sounds especially weird in retrospect that Danny Carey had somehow destroyed his drum set and turned it into confetti which they dropped on the crowd. Who knows. Reminiscing about that Lateralus tour does make me miss those last years of monoculture where it felt like not every music or film event was transient and quickly forgotten or ignored by 99% of the population.
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I haven't bought concert tickets in a long while, and it's nuts how much worse it is now. For the Lateralus tour, I got up early, logged on, refreshed a couple of times, and bam, I had GA tickets where I was on the front rail. Now, my friend had to wait in a virtual randomized line for nothing and spend over a grand on a resale site for 3 decent tickets. No way in hell I'm going to that.
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The glitter thing was, I believe, on the second leg of the Lateralus tour. I'm pretty sure they used it when they came back around to AZ (this time Tucson) in...I wanna say 2002? And I know for sure they used it at Radio City in 2003, because I leaned over to my friend and said something like, "All that glitter's made out of the drummer's old kit." Yeah, I didn't buy the decoy thing with the 10,000 Days leak, but I've certainly bought into my fair share of silly Tool poo poo in my time. Also, did you know Danny records his drum parts in rooms pumped full of helium because it's thinner than oxygen and really captures the dynamics he's looking for? And yeah, ticket buying sucks rear end now. The fact that Ticketmaster allows "verified resellers" to gobble up tickets and then come back in and fleece their customers for two, three, four times the original price is disgusting.
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I remember the "10,000 Days is a decoy" theory too. Never bought into it but remember being a bit underwhelmed by the album regardless, probably because I'd heard half of it via leaked tracks. (I wasn't into file sharing at the time so I remember hopping around to different MySpace pages that had 1 or 2 new tracks in the pages' music player - they'd stay up for a day at most before getting taken down. Christ I'm old.) It's not my favorite album but it's got some drat good stuff on there, Wings and Rosetta in particular. Anyway, love the new album. Do not at all love the fact that my bank thought my attempted Ticketmaster purchase was a fraudulent charge. Gonna hit up StubHub in a month or two and see if the prices die down.
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The best way for them to combat scalpers would be to play multiple nights in every city. The tickets for Chicago are a little under twice face value on stubhub right now. If they were playing two shows, the incentive to scalp would be minimal at best and you'd end up with only legit resales (I don't think I've ever made money on tickets I've resold, but sometimes poo poo comes up and you just can't go).
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Fear Inoculum debuted at #1 on the Billboard 200, beating Taylor Swift and confusing a bunch of teens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56Cqbk9CJz8
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Nail Rat posted:The best way for them to combat scalpers would be to play multiple nights in every city. The tickets for Chicago are a little under twice face value on stubhub right now. If they were playing two shows, the incentive to scalp would be minimal at best and you'd end up with only legit resales (I don't think I've ever made money on tickets I've resold, but sometimes poo poo comes up and you just can't go). They're playing two shows in LA and when I logged on late, the resale prices were minimum $300 per ticket for the nosebleed, worst seats in the arena. I have no idea what they started at but I thought that seemed high. Certainly higher than I would pay for anything but maybe a farewell tour, and definitely higher than I would be willing to pay for a tour supporting this record. I would have liked to see them with Killing Joke opening. I read an article a while back that profiled a pioneer of the commercial ticket-scalping industry, and a major point that the guy made was that if these companies were successful reselling tickets for such high prices, then they weren't priced correctly in the first place. Which sucks, because that means the average fan gets priced out of the opportunity to see their favorite bands, and the only solution seems to be for bands to do multiple runs per city, which I don't think is very feasible- a lot of groups will do the 2 shows a night thing, but I don't know if goes far enough to fix the issue; I've known a lot of people willing to pay for both shows, especially when bands like Metallica have a habit of playing different setlists on those two nights. I guess personalized, fanclub sales might help but I'm also not paying a band 50 bucks for the privilege of just getting in line. My major concert-going years were pre-internet ticket sales. I can't imagine what it's like for kids growing up today, I never would have been able to afford a show the way it is today.
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I found it crazy that Ticketmaster owns the next largest ticket resale business behind stubhub. They actually profit off of ticket resales, so it's their largest area of income growth now. They're probably buying the drat tickets themselves and reselling them on their own site.
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Sep 9, 2019 20:46
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I remember the good old days of lining up at Ticketmaster outlets before they opened to make sure to get tickets. Sigh As for seeing Tool live, I have seen them twice, once pre-10,000 Days and once to support the album. The first time I saw them I was blown away by the live show but the second time I was kind of bored. The visuals were always great but the band just...stood there. There was no energy from the band, and it was strange saying Maynard who is usually a beast on stage just refusing to move from his spot while singing the songs. As much as I like visuals at live shows, I also enjoy watching a band create energy and feed off the crowd. I guess I got into Tool around about Lateralus but my fave album is Aenima. I don't hate 10,000 Days like others do, and a lot of songs have grown on me over the years (except the Pot which I can't really stand now), At least 10,000 Days have songs that sound rocking (Jambi) and have hooks. I haven't listened to the new album in a few days and I can say that I hardly remember what any of the new songs even sound like.
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I just looked at one of my tickets from the Aenima era and it was $17.50, which the internet tells me would be about $28 now. That was my favorite era in terms of live show.
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There are plenty of real good bands who tour for 30-40 nowadays, but you gotta really drive a money truck up to Maynard to make him put down his wine glass. The less you need money, the more you can ask for...that's capitalism.
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Listerine posted:I just looked at one of my tickets from the Aenima era and it was $17.50, which the internet tells me would be about $28 now. That was my favorite era in terms of live show. I payed something like 30 bucks to see Tool in 1998, then just under LifeSunDeath fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Sep 9, 2019 |
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Well I would only expect a band's ticket price to go up as they get more successful, and I just looked up the original sale prices for this tour, which appear to range between about $60-140, that seems more or less ok. It's the secondary market that seems outrageous and Tool isn't making that money. What do Maynard's side gigs go for nowadays? I think the last time I saw him was with Puscifer ten years ago, and they didn't even sell out the venue.
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Listerine posted:Well I would only expect a band's ticket price to go up as they get more successful, and I just looked up the original sale prices for this tour, which appear to range between about $60-140, that seems more or less ok. It's the secondary market that seems outrageous and Tool isn't making that money. Puscifer makes its money on expensive merch, which he has a LOT of...but as for ticket prices it's never occurred to me to go to a Puscifer show.
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Puscifer's got a lotta overhead on this brick and mortar  I would much rather see Volto than Puscifer.
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Listerine posted:Well I would only expect a band's ticket price to go up as they get more successful, and I just looked up the original sale prices for this tour, which appear to range between about $60-140, that seems more or less ok. It's the secondary market that seems outrageous and Tool isn't making that money. I remember hearing that the last APC tour was terribly underperforming that tickets would eventually end up on discount through sites like Groupon.
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Madkal posted:I remember hearing that the last APC tour was terribly underperforming that tickets would eventually end up on discount through sites like Groupon. Having saw them on the reunion tour in 2010, good. I saw both the Mer de Noms and Thirteenth Step shows in Vegas and they were pretty bad.
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LifeSunDeath posted:Puscifer's got a lotta overhead on this brick and mortar I enjoyed Puscifer live more than the last Perfect Circle show I went to. I think I've seen APC three times? During the last one, which was in a gym at UNH, Maynard berated the audience for not dancing, and proceeded to lie down and sing one song on his back. I always wondered how his shops actually do- Jerome is a tourist stop, I don't know how much traffic it gets during the year, but I imagine a good number of people passing through stop in for the wine without knowing anything about Maynard. It's not like there's a ton of other places to hang out or eat and drink, I think maybe two other places? The Puscifer store has the barber shop, the records, and other poo poo that tourists who don't know what Puscifer is might pick up. They also package mail orders there. Real estate isn't particularly pricey in Jerome, I wonder if he just owns the buildings outright.
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Listerine posted:I enjoyed Puscifer live more than the last Perfect Circle show I went to. I think I've seen APC three times? During the last one, which was in a gym at UNH, Maynard berated the audience for not dancing, and proceeded to lie down and sing one song on his back. It seems like a beautiful place, but very low key, I have a feeling he pays more money than he makes out of it but that's his choice. view from the street: 
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Jerome is a weird loving town and it rules.
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Lots of little weird places like that in Arizona, I hope to move back in retirement. Not sure if I'd want to commit to Jerome 24/7 though.
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Listerine posted:Lots of little weird places like that in Arizona, I hope to move back in retirement. Not sure if I'd want to commit to Jerome 24/7 though. You certainly wouldn't have to. You could go full snowbird and just chase good weather around Arizona year-round and see enough cool poo poo and neat history to last you a long, long time. People largely aside, it really is a pretty spectacular state. As you obviously know.
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