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Wheezle posted:Have you considered leaving it? e: 1966 - Great Britain wins two world wars and one world cup and lands on the moon.
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Private Speech posted:IIRC the actual person is a liberal who used to be Junckers spokesman. Yeah Schinas was the Greek spox for years for Juncker for years and then got the nod from the new gov't, nice to see them give the job of drowning refugees to a Greek party that's ok with that.
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Sep 10, 2019 13:22
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so if they're not using the house of commons for a bit are we allowed to have meetings in there and play five a side
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Sep 10, 2019 13:22
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Ugggh stop it, EU. We've got to defend remaining for a while yet! This is the vaguest thing ever, but I'm sure I read something about EU people (either from the EU itself, or member countries) explicitly discouraging free movement within the African continent, to stop the flow of scary migrants heading North to Europe. So it's not even like "we'll have our little club, and you have yours, and maybe one day we'll join forces", it's "we have our club, but don't you think of doing your own, that's only for Europeans" 
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Sep 10, 2019 13:23
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ThomasPaine posted:Do you have any examples? This is being stated a lot as if it's self evident but I've not really seen any direct quotations. He's certainly very explicitly protectionist and critical of the language around liberal progressive spaces but that doesn't in itself make him a reactionary. I remember reading a BNP manifesto over a decade ago when they were still a thing. There was a lot to agree with until you got to anything relating to foreign policy or immigration or foreigners at all. The Strasserites is a really overused point of reference these days but I am always going to be deeply sceptical of non-internationalist socialists. Nationalism is not ever the answer unless the question is "what's the worst idea to come out of the enlightenment?"
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Sep 10, 2019 13:24
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forkboy84 posted:I remember reading a BNP manifesto over a decade ago when they were still a thing. There was a lot to agree with until you got to anything relating to foreign policy or immigration or foreigners at all. Non-international socialists, you say? 
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Sep 10, 2019 13:27
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Bobstar posted:Ugggh stop it, EU. We've got to defend remaining for a while yet! The EU's been actively working with the worst people in (Northern) Africa for a good while now to 'help resettle migrants locally'
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Sep 10, 2019 13:28
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Just a reminder that an NI specific backstop that erects customs barriers between GB and NI, while being better than barriers on the island of Ireland, remains not very good - I feel like I have to remind people that we are in the UK and completely integrated into UK supply chains, the majority of port traffic at Belfast port is goods being shipped from GB into NI after all, and customs barriers are likely to introduce delays and costs which ultimately will be passed through to NI consumers. It won't necessarily effect small traders but p much all of our chain supermarkets are supplied in bulk from GB and I don't particularly fancy price increases passed onto the shopping baskets of normal NI consumers so the Tories can chase their fantastic trade deals.
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Sep 10, 2019 13:31
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Full report on Kings Cross fire. Chapter 9 is events on the night. http://www.berrison.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Kings-Cross-Fire.pdf NHS colleagues who were on duty that night at UCH had to lay bodies out in the Goods In yard because there were so many. One said they were all holding it together until someone brought out the body of a child.
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Sep 10, 2019 13:32
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Gasmask posted:so if they're not using the house of commons for a bit are we allowed to have meetings in there and play five a side There's not enough space in the chamber for a good kickabout, you'd have to go to the lobby for that kind of thing.
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forkboy84 posted:I remember reading a BNP manifesto over a decade ago when they were still a thing. There was a lot to agree with until you got to anything relating to foreign policy or immigration or foreigners at all.  Ironically, I think they cribbed quite a bit from Steve Biko's letters around that time while trying to reinvent themselves as the reasonable racists. "I am against the fact that a settler minority should impose an entire system of values on an indigenous people." and all that, because they'd talked themselves into believing that being white in Britain was like living under magic Black Jewish apartheid or some poo poo. Miftan posted:Non-international socialists, you say?
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Junior G-man posted:With Commissioners like that, why would even the Tories want to leave? Because they're Johnny continental foreigners, innit?
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Bobstar posted:Ugggh stop it, EU. We've got to defend remaining for a while yet! europe? racist?????
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Sep 10, 2019 13:35
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njsykora posted:There's not enough space in the chamber for a good kickabout, you'd have to go to the lobby for that kind of thing. we can take the benches out and keep them in the garage
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Sep 10, 2019 13:35
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The thing is far more should be done to help refugees, but the more is done the more every fucker citizen hates it. I really don't know what can be done that doesn't include fighting hard against popular will and misconception, which ultimately is just, well, not democratic. Now I'm on the side of the those who'd say "gently caress the people then" but it's not easy to survive election without appearing "tough on immigration" in some way. Even Labour under Corbyn does not commit to a large-scale increase in immigration because it would be electoral suicide. At which point you're left with "how do we brutalise desperate people to stop them coming here while looking like our hands are clean" (but not too clean because people wouldn't like it). e: Basically any policy except reasonably open borders will gently caress over people hard at some point, be it locking them up in camps, making it difficult to cross over or denying them employment and rights. The sum of misery must be high enough to deter people, often people who are willing to go quite far - many woman refugees knowingly go through what will very likely be repeated rape to get through (there's some dreadful articles about this in the Graun sponsored by the BM Gates foundation). Private Speech fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Sep 10, 2019 |
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Sep 10, 2019 13:36
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Guavanaut posted:That's what you get when no other socialism is allowed space in the discourse. fwiw I don't think nationalist socialism should be allowed space in the discourse because it's wank - just like all nationalism. I'm willing to listen to both anarchists and whatever the other side of of that debate is. Internationalist central planning socialists?
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Sep 10, 2019 13:39
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Guavanaut posted:or believe themselves to live in non-ideological bubbles where they can't tell the difference and these things are the same and Diane Abbott saying 'white people' is very racist. From meeting policy people and civil servants, it's this. They're (mostly) white middle-class liberals who can't parse the idea that not everyone endorses technocracy. And any suggestion that they might be upholding racist values will get you labelled as impolite at best, or extremist at worst. bell hooks writes some really good stuff about these people and why their blindness to questions of cultural difference and identity makes them worse to deal with than outright racists.
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Private Speech posted:At which point you're left with "how do we brutalise desperate people to stop them coming here while looking like our hands are clean". Slavic Zizzi posted:It is thus becoming clear that the solution is not ‘tear down the walls and let them all in’, the easy empty demand of soft-hearted liberal ‘radicals’. The only true solution is to tear down the true wall, not the Immigration Department one, but the socio-economic one: to change society so that people will no longer desperately try to escape their own world. Now this is often used as a cop-out by people who just don't want to look at immigrants and proceed to do nothing other than "step 1 - don't let them in", but it's a real point. African social commentators have been talking for a while about towns and villages where all the working age people are gone and the only ones left are those who are unwilling or unable to move, the very old, the very young, the disabled and sick, criminals, village elders, and troops. It's bad. So in addition to being less lovely to migrants we also need a process of mass investment in the developing world. Miftan posted:fwiw I don't think nationalist socialism should be allowed space in the discourse because it's wank - just like all nationalism. I'm willing to listen to both anarchists and whatever the other side of of that debate is. Internationalist central planning socialists?
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Purple Prince posted:From meeting policy people and civil servants, it's this. They're (mostly) white middle-class liberals who can't parse the idea that not everyone endorses technocracy. And any suggestion that they might be upholding racist values will get you labelled as impolite at best, or extremist at worst. Yeah, I've the same exact experience. Also, by questioning the outcomes of technocracy that uphold racist values, they feel as though you're saying they're racist themselves.
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Sep 10, 2019 13:46
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Necrothatcher posted:What's your source on this? Bumping because I also wanted to know where this was from. I did try Googling.
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Sep 10, 2019 13:48
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Necrothatcher posted:What's your source on this? The report of the inquest into the fire - AFAICT it's not (freely) available online, but it's used a lot in emergency evacuation planning, which is where I got it from. I am overstating it a *little* - up until the point of the flashover the fire itself wasn't visible, but there was a lot of visible smoke on the Piccadilly Line escalators and coming up out of the ticket hall entrances, as well as firefighters putting on breathing apparatus outside the main entrance.
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https://twitter.com/Otto_English/status/1171403214169825280?s=20
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The report of the inquest into the fire - AFAICT it's not (freely) available online, but it's used a lot in emergency evacuation planning, which is where I got it from. Full (Fennell) report on Kings Cross fire. Chapter 9 is events on the night. http://www.berrison.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Kings-Cross-Fire.pdf
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Sep 10, 2019 14:03
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Miftan posted:fwiw I don't think nationalist socialism should be allowed space in the discourse because it's wank - just like all nationalism. I'm willing to listen to both anarchists and whatever the other side of of that debate is. Internationalist central planning socialists? Early Bolshevism was this basically, until Stalin's 'socialism in one country' thing. (Though I do wonder if the USSR would have survived so long had it continued on this path)
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Sep 10, 2019 14:04
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third Wakefield I've seen so far this week. First that dodgy doctor, then where pfeffel did his meltdown to the police, now this guy
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Sep 10, 2019 14:08
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Wow that's an ugly castle.
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ThomasPaine posted:Early Bolshevism was this basically, until Stalin's 'socialism in one country' thing. Well the anarchists aren't doing too hot either fwiw. Rojava maybe? Haven't kept up with how they're doing tbh.
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Is it really a castle if you just shove some crenellations on top of your stately home?
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Comrade Fakename posted:Is it really a castle if you just shove some crenellations on top of your stately home? you should only be allowed to call it a castle if you're willing to let peasants fire a trebuchet at it
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Comrade Fakename posted:Is it really a castle if you just shove some crenellations on top of your stately home? An Englishman's home is his castle, so... yes? If you're rich enough.
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Sep 10, 2019 14:20
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Full report on Kings Cross fire. Chapter 9 is events on the night. Thanks! I also tried to look it up online and failed. Wasn't doubting this was the case, but that fire has always interested me. It's sad that the plaque commemorating it in the station is now usually behind a notice board. Necrothatcher fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Sep 10, 2019 |
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Most castles look like that and depending on the location can be pretty cheap. The pictures on the sales page rarely if ever show the kitchen or bathroom because the silents who died there only showered once a year and were too cheap to pay for anything than some drunk to repaint the hallways for the pictures. So they will have stuff like wallpaper in the shower and the whole place needs to be torn out before any modern family can live there.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Full (Fennell) report on Kings Cross fire. Chapter 9 is events on the night. That's the LUL report (which is also extremely important of course), the inquest report is considerably longer because it dealt with each individual death. One important thing to note from the LUL report - they mentioned that BTP and LFB radios didn't work underground, seriously hampering operations. Almost 20 years - and several multi-million pound upgrades later - the inquest into the 7/7 bombings noted that... BTP and LFB radios didn't work underground. In fact they worked even less than they did at King's Cross because at least the old analogue radios worked for person-to-person comms if they were close enough and the topography was kind, Airwave just straight up didn't work.
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Just catching up.The Deleter posted:We're gonna see the Vatican but we wanted to see the ruins of the Romans and stuff. We're staying in an apartment above a bar so it's Peronis in the street every night before bed lol But also get a train to Firenze, it's loving awesome. Jaeluni Asjil posted:Very long article (I have only quoted first few paragraphs) and not finished reading yet. * or doesn't want † or remain ‡ or is unwilling to commit to it Gasmask posted:so if they're not using the house of commons for a bit are we allowed to have meetings in there and play five a side Also Jim Sterling's new video is fairly good praxis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMKBzwSBeS8
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ThanosWasRight posted:Wow that's an ugly castle. Well as we're all studying woodwork to build our guillotines, might as well start sketching up some plans for a People's Trebuchet too. Actually, new plan - forget the guillotines, just use the rich as ammo in the trebuchets. Now obviously as they're quite squishy it may take quite a lot of them to make even a dent, but I'm sure they'll agree the shared sacrifice is worth it.
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I read chapter 9 of that report and it doesn't say anything about passengers pushing past firemen to go into a burning building. It says passengers were directed up the Victoria line escalators by firemen.
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kustomkarkommando posted:Just a reminder that an NI specific backstop that erects customs barriers between GB and NI, while being better than barriers on the island of Ireland, remains not very good - I feel like I have to remind people that we are in the UK and completely integrated into UK supply chains, the majority of port traffic at Belfast port is goods being shipped from GB into NI after all, and customs barriers are likely to introduce delays and costs which ultimately will be passed through to NI consumers. i dont know what you're talking about, additional costs dumped onto NI sounds like exactly what it needs for an economic boost!
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ThomasPaine posted:Do you have any examples? This is being stated a lot as if it's self evident but I've not really seen any direct quotations. He's certainly very explicitly protectionist and critical of the language around liberal progressive spaces but that doesn't in itself make him a reactionary. I've spent a fair amount of time arguing with tankie daily star worshiping racist labour fucks, including about that specific Dempsey statement, to know this kind of poo poo has an impact and should not be tolerated.
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