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Crusader posted:so... are we meant to infer that it’s possible Dio was really responsible for the mouse and Johnny is wrongly blaming himself, given the Phantom Blood parallels and Johnny already stating Dio would stoop to base methods to win? That said, it feels like that’s not as impactful if it really was Johnny’s Danny that startled the horse and Dio was an innocent bystander. It's tempting to think, isn't it? Diego ended up working his way into George's good graces, almost taking Nicholas' place as the better racer. Part of some of the tension involving Diego is waiting for the other shoe to drop, or going "What did he do back then, really?" Are those rumors true, or are they just rumors?
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While Steel Ball Run has showcased good horses it's time for a quick reminder that horses are the dumbest animals.
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Sep 5, 2019 18:15
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Electric Phantasm posted:While Steel Ball Run has showcased good horses it's time for a quick reminder that horses are the dumbest animals.
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Sep 5, 2019 18:24
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I tend to think that it wasn't Diego or Danny but just a random mouse from the woods.The odds of it actually being the same mouse are incredibly slim, but that's what Johnny thinks because he feels a need to blame himself. Maybe not what Araki was going for but hey I like it better that way
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Sep 5, 2019 19:03
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Diego definitely didn't do it. Diego is an rear end in a top hat but he's not a malevolent rear end in a top hat like DIO, Araki definitely tries to get that across.
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Sep 5, 2019 19:57
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Electric Phantasm posted:While Steel Ball Run has showcased good horses it's time for a quick reminder that horses are the dumbest animals. I saw my own tail and got so scared I had a heart attack, nbd
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Sep 5, 2019 20:13
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I love the scenes where Johnny and Gyro are desperately trying to spend all their money so much (and I didn’t even notice Gyro getting sick in the corner at first):
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Sep 6, 2019 12:51
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I'm catching up right now, but I had forgotten the President shotgunned a beer for no other reason than "loving felt like it" lmao
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Sep 6, 2019 14:54
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Llab posted:I'm catching up right now, but I had forgotten the President shotgunned a beer for no other reason than "loving felt like it" lmao If it's something he does all the time then I can see why he was elected President, that poo poo's impressive in the nineteenth century.
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Sep 6, 2019 18:30
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The President invented canned beer just so he could shotgun it.
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Sep 6, 2019 19:56
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So I just opened up SBR and got some nice full color racist depictions of Native Americans. Given Araki's history of.. Representing Nazis and women I shouldn't be surprised, but do native americans wind up being central to the storyline? Cuz I'm not interested if this poo poo continues. Edit: Not really interested in the opinion of anyone who thinks it's 'not that bad', because it is lmao AfricanBootyShine fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Sep 9, 2019 |
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Sep 8, 2019 11:43
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The one at the beginning is a focus of a fight later on and that's it. Also it's not particularly bad, I don't think.
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Sep 8, 2019 13:06
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AfricanBootyShine posted:So I just opened up SBR and got some nice full color racist depictions of Native Americans. Given Araki's history of.. Representing Nazis and women I shouldn't be surprised, but do native americans wind up being central to the storyline? Cuz I'm not interested if this poo poo continues. sorry about the racism, AfricanBootyShine
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Sep 8, 2019 13:19
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It really isn't that bad, when you consider that Araki's character designs are always over-the-top flamboyant.
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Sep 8, 2019 13:22
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I forgive the racism of Sandman's initial appearance because immediately afterwards he joins a cross-continental horse race, on foot, and establishes himself as a serious contender for first place using actual native running techniques
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Sep 8, 2019 17:27
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Steel Ball Run is sincerely interested in topics like American Exceptionalism, Manifest Destiny and the idea of nations. I won't say Araki is a secret race relations genius and post colonialism scholar, but it's no accident that the bad guy is the President and the Native Americans are instantly introduced with trying to free themselves of white invaders. In Araki's 1890 America, we aren't just all dealing with our residual Calvinist, puritan culture. The corpse of Jesus Christ is buried right beneath our feet. And what does that mean for the people that live here, have always lived here, or will live here? Expect My Mom fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Sep 8, 2019 |
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Sep 8, 2019 17:48
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dancingbears posted:I forgive the racism of Sandman's initial appearance because immediately afterwards he joins a cross-continental horse race, on foot, and establishes himself as a serious contender for first place using actual native running techniques OK, that sounds much better than what it seemed like it was building up to. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes... I'm not expecting something super nuanced but the depictions are pretty jarring to given how much more care Araki puts into describing western cultures, like in Battle Tendency and Vento Aureo.
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Sep 8, 2019 17:56
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it's always important to keep in mind that beyond anything else araki has always been kind of weird about certain cultures and part of that is probably just due to him being somewhat ignorant at times. it sucks but it generally comes off as him just being clueless and including some weird rumor poo poo he heard once more than being actually malicious, i guess.
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Sep 8, 2019 22:55
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I'm not posting this to excuse anything, and I really don't want to be like "What the gently caress were you expecting" because that's super annoying and unhelpful, but one of Araki's favorite genres is Westerns. Not all that surprising that bit in the beginning with Sandman is like that. It's the same kind of disconnect he (and a lot of Western audiences who watch a lot of cop dramas) had when he was like, "Abbacchio wanting to become a police officer means that he had a righteous heart. But the justice system and everything surrounding it is bad and doesn't work. Except for these specific cops" etc, etc. Like he knows Native Americans having their land taken away is bad and wanted to write a character wanting to change that, but then the tribe is written like how you'd see them in a Western, which...there's a reason why the Western died out and any modern takes on it are more historically accurate takes.
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Sep 9, 2019 02:07
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SBR establishes: 1) That Sandman's tribe has been driven off their ancestral land through US colonialism. This is told sympathetically through a native viewpoint (ie: the manga is in no way disguising that colonialism is a bad thing or that what's happened to Sandman's people isn't awful). 2) That Sandman's exceptional running skill comes from knowledge of "white man's" techniques. He's not a "magical indian" but a normal person with an uncommon skill, comparable to other skills (such as Gyro's). 3) That Sandman plans to use his knowledge of the colonialist's culture to purchase legal ownership of his tribe's ancestral land. This is a controversial issue within the tribe, and is the cause of the initial conflict. (Compare with modern controversies over running casinos.) This isn't hidden eight volumes in, it's all their by page 22. This is not to say that Sandman's tribe is depicted with especial sensitivity or anything, and they are presented as a very "generic plains indian tribe", but that alone doesn't make them caricatures. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Sep 9, 2019 |
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Sep 9, 2019 03:55
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In the first chapter, it's specifically Sandman's sprinting that he developed from foreign sources. During the actual Steel Ball Run, his ability to run faster than any other living sprinter, and maintain his speed over long distances without getting tired, is something the (white) audience didn't know was possible. It sounds kind of like a reference to the Rarámuri, who AFAIK do have a reputation for exceptional long-distance running.
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Sep 9, 2019 17:30
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I think my favorite aspect of Steel Ball Run so far is Araki introducing a character that has near superhuman abilities, and you're like "Oh, so that's his Stand?" And Araki's like, "What? No." In addition to Sandman, this happened with Gyro, Pocoloco, Mrs. Robinson, Diego to an extent.
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Sep 9, 2019 19:28
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It's monday. Anyone afraid of metal balloon dogs yet.
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Sep 10, 2019 00:38
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Scarlet and the President definitely gently caress.
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Sep 10, 2019 05:10
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JoJo's has some grotesque deaths but Mike O popping is pretty up there, yow
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Sep 10, 2019 11:08
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Funky Valentine posted:Scarlet and the President definitely gently caress. I laughed really hard when she called his silent footsteps sexy
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Sep 10, 2019 12:28
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Being Lucy is Suffering.
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Sep 10, 2019 14:58
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Scarlet Valentine is pretty much just the standard Predatory Lesbian trope and it's kinda gross. It's probably the worst that particular running theme gets.
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Also now that Magent Magent is here, I can post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHUChTS0tNY
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Wekapipo and Magent Magent are the very first characters in the Jojo franchise to be named after a Japanese music reference, specifically two songs by the hip hop group SOUL'd OUT, who at around the same time had provided the theme song for the ill-fated Phantom Blood movie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McBpez-trCM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYeNh4_4ciE
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Sep 10, 2019 16:59
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Also like a lot of problems would be solved if these boys just kept like a piece of paper in a rectangle
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Waffleman_ posted:Also like a lot of problems would be solved if these boys just kept like Found in the soundman fight that using a reference like that belt buckle does not cut it. So the boys peril in the wekapipo fight is there's nothing really natural around, but right after that we have the civil war fight where Johnny is doing golden rectangles everywhere when he's in a garbage dump full of abandoned memories. Regardless, wekapipo and civil war are very strong arcs but they are right after that. Arc. Not only do we have a predatory lesbian but I cannot take the killer balloon dogs seriously, that's just are really stupid power
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Sep 10, 2019 19:56
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for the record like everything involving scarlet is some of my least-favorite poo poo in the part. if i had my way i'd find a means to excise it from the story, tbh
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Sep 10, 2019 20:01
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Scarlet is a terrible character, but Hot Pants is a badass in that arc, so it's impossible to say whether it's good or bad. e: I never liked Civil War as a fight. I know it's a jojo thing where the thematic implications are more important than the actual mechanics, but I think it goes too far here
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Sep 10, 2019 20:10
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Tubular Bells is silly as hell and I love it.
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On my first reading I didn't even notice Gyro doing his 4 2 0 gag here. Johnny Joestar posted:for the record like everything involving scarlet is some of my least-favorite poo poo in the part. if i had my way i'd find a means to excise it from the story, tbh Lucy hatching a plan to infiltrate the president's home to harvest his organs, and actually succeeding at it, despite not having any of the magic powers that he and everyone around him does is pretty badass though. I'd say it's on par with Hayato blowing himself up to defuse Okuyasu.
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Sep 10, 2019 20:37
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i mean nothing about what i said implies that lucy infiltrating and stealing something important would need to be removed, i would just rather do without the 'araki hamfistedly tries to engage the notion of an lgbt lady by cracking my nose in with a frozen ham' bit
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Sep 10, 2019 20:41
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Scarlet as an ally who is unfairly killed by tubular bells would've been better.
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This happened awhile ago, but does anyone else feel kind of weird about Gyro being like, "No, 14-year-old girl, you have to do this to save your husband!"? If it gets resolved in the way I think it does, then it's whatever, but I'm not sure I can say all of what I want to say about it without spoilers or without reading through everything again.
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