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Solkanar512
Dec 28, 2006

by the sex ghost

Ranter posted:

They rescued the 4 trapped inside.

Is it fair to point to this incident and say, "everyone was saved, why did people die on that dive boat in California", or is it too premature/the situations too different?

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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Solkanar512 posted:

Is it fair to point to this incident and say, "everyone was saved, why did people die on that dive boat in California", or is it too premature/the situations too different?

too different.

Delthalaz
Mar 5, 2003






Slippery Tilde

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Solkanar512 posted:

Is it fair to point to this incident and say, "everyone was saved, why did people die on that dive boat in California", or is it too premature/the situations too different?

That car carrier is huge in size compared to the dive boat. Another way to say it might be this, one is a ship the other is a boat.

The car carrier also likely only had between 25 and 35 crew and all would be mariners with credentials and licenses. It was also really close to the terminal and in sheltered waters and nearby to multiple USCG stations.

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
It also didn't have fire consuming all the oxygen.

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

The only similarity between the two events is that they happened in the ocean.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Yeah the first one was everyone dies from a fire for normal trapped by the flames and choked to death on soot reasons.

In this one 4 guys were trapped in a tiny, airtight space submerged in water praying rescue came before they ran out and suffocated.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




They are regulated under the same systems. I've written about those systems extensively years ago in grad school. I'll post that here later tonight if I can find it and I'm on a computer and not on a phone

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Okay here more than you would ever, ever want to know about the regulatory framework Safety of Life at Sea works under:

code:
The Safety of Life at Sea Convention (SOLAS) plays a major role in keeping mariners, passengers, and cargo safe at sea. Its origin is a response to many major historical maritime disasters.
  As a non-self-executing treaty, individual signatory countries must adopt laws and regulations in line with the recommendations of SOLAS. There are three sets of bodies that are vital to 
SOLAS: classification societies, flag states, and port states. All three of these parts work together to prevent maritime disasters. Classification societies use their technical expertise to issue 
certificates that state vessels are properly constructed, that their critical equipment functions properly, and that they are suitable to carry the intended cargoes. Flag states rely on the 
expertise of classification societies. They develop laws and regulations in line with SOLAS, and they ensure that their mariners are properly credentialed and trained. Flag states also inspect 
vessels to ensure compliance with SOLAS. Port states are the back stop, they work with class and flag to make sure vessels operate safely. They ensure that all vessels regardless of flag are 
inspected and held to the common standards of SOLAS. All three of these parts work together to prevent the types of events that lead to the creation of SOLAS. To prevent marine disasters 
like the historical ones that lead to the initial convention, SOLAS works through a combination of classification societies, the laws of flag states, and the laws of port states.

In large part each iteration of the SOLAS treaty is in response to historical maritime disasters.  After the Titanic sank on 14 April 1912, the government of the United Kingdom tried to bring 
together a convention to establish international rules to prevent similar disasters.  Fourteen nations participated in the conference.  However, because of the outbreak of World War I only five 
nations signed the treaty and it was not adopted. It did however shape the maritime safety regulations of many of the participating nations.  

Eventually the government of the United Kingdom hosted a second conference in 1929.  In the intervening years many maritime disasters occurred. For example in the US, the Eastland
 capsized with significant loss of life in July 24, 1915.  Eighteen nations participated in the convention in 1929.  SOLAS 1929 entered into force in 1933. However, the United States did not
 immediately ratify the treaty. It took the horrifying disasters of the Morro Castle (a devastating vessel fire) and the Mohawk (which listed severely and then sank quickly after a collision) to 
motivate the senate to ratification of the treaty.  Vessel fire and ships stability remain important aspects of SOLAS.

Leading up to the 1948 convention there was a string of grain ship sinkings and the Texas City Disaster (where approximately 2100 MT of Ammonium nitrate in bulk loaded on the SS 
Grandcamp exploded). These events would lead to the inclusion of chapter VI CARRIAGE OF GRAIN AND DANGEROUS GOODS.   In addition to marine disasters, the convention dealt with 
evolving marine technology. Large changes had occurred in radiotelegraphy.  Additionally in 1948 the Inter-Governmental Maritime Consultative Organization (IMCO), later shortened to the 
International Maritime Organization (IMO), was created by the United Nations.  The 1948 convention “recognized that the creation of this new organization would, for the first time, mean that 
there was a permanent international body capable of adopting legislation on all matters related to maritime safety”.   Unfortunately it would be nearly eleven years before the IMCO 
convention was ratified.
In 1959 IMCO was finally ratified and its first action was to pass a new SOLAS treaty. The treaty was structured to more easily allow for new amendments to help it to keep up with the rapid 
changes in maritime technology.  However, in practice amendments proved slow to ratify and a new treaty was again needed in 1974.  It was ratified in 1980 and this is the current (with 
amendments) version of the treaty.

SOLAS is not a self-executing treaty.  Countries need to pass laws to enforce its recommendations. It is enforced through a combination of IMO recommendations, nongovernmental 
organizations (especially the classification societies), the laws of flag states, and the laws of port states. All of these parts work together to ensure that vessels are constructed and operated
 in a manner that prevents the types of disasters that led to the need for the SOLAS convention.

An important part of SOLAS enforcement is the documents SOLAS requires to be onboard vessels; these are normally issued by classification societies. A comprehensive list of these 
documents can be found at the IMO website.  Each of the documents required is a certificate showing that the vessel is in accordance with the requirements of SOLAS prescribed for that 
document. For example, one specific document is called the “The Document of Authorization to Load Grain” (DOA). In order to load bulk grain under SOLAS 1974 a vessel has to have this 
document. This document is usually issued on behalf of flag states by classification societies, competent authorities, or organizations designated by competent authorities. Generally to 
issue this certificate a classification society would examine a vessels hydrostatic tables and grain loading manual. A classification society would examine the vessel, its design, and its
 condition. Then it would issue the “Document of Authorization” if everything was in order.  The guidelines for what is required as defined by IMO appear in an IMO published book, The 
International Grain Code. To clarify the process:

The SOLAS treaty requires the certificate.

The SOLAS requirements for grain reference the treaty and the book of rules created by IMO. In this case the International Grain Code.

The owner of the vessel has the vessel constructed in a way that it can comply with these rules when loaded with grain, and the shipyard produces the proper vessel documents (hydrostatic
 table, grain loading manual) that describe these conditions.

The vessel documents (grain loading manual and hydrostatic table) reflect the actual design of the vessel and are approved by a classification society. A classification society (or other 
allowed body) issues a “Document of Authorization to Load Grain” on behalf of the vessel’s flag state.

Port states, government inspectors, or a designated not-for-profit such as National Cargo Bureau, would request the document when the vessel loads grain. The document would show that
 the vessel was suitable to load grain under the rules of SOLAS

This process shows the role of classification societies to issue certificates to ensure that vessels conform with the SOLAS requirements. 

Flag States are also significantly involved; they establish the laws and regulations the vessel will follow. Each nation that participates in SOLAS has its own different laws and regulations. 
Vessels register, flag, with a particular nation. Those vessels then have to follow the rules and regulations of that flag nation. A nation grants its nationality to the vessels that flag with it.  
Each nation that is a signatory of SOLAS has adopted laws that reflect the recommendations of SOLAS and the IMO, but these rules differ from nation to nation. Each nation establishes 
guidelines for the vessels of its flag to follow. Flag nations ensure that these rules and guidelines are being followed, by an inspection called the flag state inspection.  This is one of the ways 
flag states exercise control over their vessels. During a flag state inspection a representative of the flag state government or a nautical representative assigned by the flag state boards a 
vessel to inspect.  The vessel’s required certificates, manning levels and crew documents are examined. Inspections of the safety equipment, bridge equipment, engine room equipment, 
steer gearing, emergency generator, and many other items occur.  Basically an inspector is checking to see if the vessel is in accordance with the flag states rules and the recommendations
 of SOLAS as defined and interpreted by the flag state.  Failure to comply can result in detentions or other actions being taken by the flag state against the vessel.

Flag States also define standards for mariner credentials, seafarer’s documents, and officer credentials.  Generally speaking, mariners will have credentials from the nation they are citizens 
of. To sail under on a vessel of another nationality, they have to have credentials from the flag nation too. Each nation, if it participates in the International Convention on Standards of 
Training, Certification, and Watch Keeping for Seafarers (SCTW) will have standards that reflect SCTW guidelines. These SCTW requirements affect SOLAS in that safe manning of vessels is 
addressed by the SOLAS treaty. Proper training of seafarers is necessary for the safe operation of vessels. In addition to the ensuring proper credentialing, the performance of crews is 
inspected during annual safety inspections. Crew perform fire and abandon ship drills. They are questioned about security procedures, the medical officer, the process of contacting the 
designated person ashore etc. A complete inspection checklist list can generally be found at each flag state’s website. How well they are following the vessel’s “International Safety 
Management Code”,  (a required vessel document by SOLAS that describes the vessel’s safe operating procedures) is examined very closely. Each flag attempts by its inspection process to 
ensure that its vessels comply with the rules of SOLAS as interpreted by the flag nations laws.

In addition the nations that vessels call also have an interest in the safety of life at sea. Port states also inspect vessels for compliance with SOLAS. Originally port state inspections were 
intended by IMO to be a secondary, or back up, inspection to inspections by flag states.  Over time they have evolved to become almost as important as flag inspections.  Several regional 
port state control “Memorandums of Understanding” (MoU) have developed (encouraged by the IMO).   Each MoU ensures that port state inspection processes are uniform in its area.  These
 inspections are carried out by a variety of national agencies, but normally a nation’s version of the Coast Guard performs the inspections.

Notably absent from participation in any MoU is the United States. In the US all port state inspection are performed by the United States Coast Guard (USCG). The USCG inspections are 
governed by the regulations in 33, 46, and 49 CFR. Nearly all of the requirements of SOLAS have been made part of the federal register and generally can be found in 33 and 46 CFR.  Again, 
SOLAS is a non-self-executing treaty and this is an example of a nation having to pass its own laws to enforce SOLAS.

USCG uses the “Safety Targeting Matrix” a sophisticated process for selecting which vessels it will inspect. Vessels are assigned points based on their: operating company, flag state, 
recognized organization detention ratio, vessel history (prior detentions), and ship particulars (age and type).  Each attribute generates a score, vessels with high scores are prioritized. 
 After a vessel has been selected it is inspected by the Officer in Charge of Marine Inspection.

Port State inspections are very similar in scope to the Flag State inspections discussed. The same priority equipment items are tested. The same certificates and crew documents are 
examined.  In many cases the inspections may often even be patterned after each other. When vessels are issued deficiencies or detentions by port states generally flag states have rules 
mandating that the vessel must notify flag.  Increasingly, flag states will even have an inspector attend during port state inspections. Generally speaking both port and flag states would 
prefer that vessel deficiencies addressed by the flag state.

Classification societies, flag states and port states cooperate to prevent the types of marine disasters that lead to SOLAS. They rely on each other to find the deficiencies in vessel operation 
and design that might lead to severe accidents that could cause significant losses of property and life. They each have a different role in the process. The classification society issues 
certificates and examines the plans of the vessel. Flag state sets the rules for the vessels in its fleet and enforces those rules by the flag state inspection. Port states, make sure all vessels 
that call their ports are safely operated and that the minimum standards found in the recommendations of SOLAS are met.  

This is sort of like the bare minimum one needs to get how the international regulation of ships works. I

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

John Bolton fired by President Trump today

:toot:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

BrandorKP posted:

Okay here more than you would ever, ever want to know about the regulatory framework Safety of Life at Sea works under:
This is sort of like the bare minimum one needs to get how the international regulation of ships works. I

Thank you so much for sharing, this is fascinating! How well does the US model work versus other nations? I know some states (i.e. Greece) have advantages as flag states. Why is that?

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.

Bolton's problem was that he kept expecting Trump to commit to something out of ideological principle. Rookie mistake, tbh. Donald has no problem making GBS threads on people who can't fight back, but he's spent a lifetime making it clear that he's only interested in spending other people's money or reputations. An actual shooting war invites too much personal risk - he'll muck around with drones or trade wars, but getting involved in an outright invasion would require a degree of courage that Don clearly lacks. He's not a politician, he's a real estate con artist. At the end of the day, Don is in this gig for his laughable "legacy", and to make lots of money. Sending carriers into the Persian Gulf or the Caribbean Sea doesn't really contribute to either of those goals.

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World
"Bush war bad don't do bigly" might be the only positive lesson to penetrate his skull.

He's fine with mass death and has no soul or compassion, but is reflexively afraid a real war will tank his ratings.

Kaal
May 22, 2002

through thousands of posts in D&D over a decade, I now believe I know what I'm talking about. if I post forcefully and confidently, I can convince others that is true. no one sees through my facade.
I'm sure that's part of it, but I also think that it's pretty important to remember that he's certainly not some sort of flag-waving patriot, or driven ideologue. The guy isn't driven by those sorts of motivations, it's all about him. Getting involved in Cold War empire-building isn't really a priority for him. His trade wars, as disastrous as they have been for his reputation (not to mention America's economy) are much more in line with his thinking.

Now I might get proven wrong here, but Don's been fairly consistently disinterested in "global security" efforts. He just doesn't care. He treats American military deployments like they're only opportunities to shake down other nations, and his interest in the military as a whole is largely focused on the personal pageantry they offer him, and the defense pork spending he can take advantage of.

In a lot of ways, Bolton was a poor fit for the Trump camp, since his interest expanded far beyond palace politics and ingratiating himself with the world's neediest man. I'm glad he's gone, but it makes sense that he eventually got fired.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Which is why I just knew that somehow Trump would avoid war with Iran in spite of Bolton.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
He doesn't even care about national security, much less global security concerns. If anything he's clearly opposed to both going off of his actions.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
My theory is that Trump is against the wars only because he didn't start them himself. And Obama didn't make a deal with Korea? He's gonna show all of us how it's done. But Iran? That agreement sucked, let president deals blow it all up, figuratively and possibly literally as well.

Bolton probably bored him by endlessly talking about spheres of influence and power projection and what not.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


People act like Bolton signed a deal with the Devil. Frankly, the Devil needed a deal, because he's woefully short on experts in any field of government willing to work for him. Bolton, who most foreign policy experts consider to be insane, represented the best Trump could get on foreign policy, because at least as an experienced official from the neocon era Bolton could be said to have a strategy.

If it were up to Bolton we'd be bombing and invading all kinds of poo poo and re-committing forces in places we were supposed to be drawing down.

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




From the New York Times: California Church Leaders Lured Homeless Into Forced Labor.

Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm still always shocked at the cruelty that supposedly godly people are capable of.

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!


VikingofRock posted:

From the New York Times: California Church Leaders Lured Homeless Into Forced Labor.

Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm still always shocked at the cruelty that supposedly godly people are capable of.

Christians have subjugated, slaughtered and committed genocide in the name of Jesus for like 2 millennia. This is all extremely on-brand.

It's only surprising if you've bought into their morality mythos.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

VikingofRock posted:

From the New York Times: California Church Leaders Lured Homeless Into Forced Labor.

Maybe I'm naïve, but I'm still always shocked at the cruelty that supposedly godly people are capable of.

Churches exploiting Californians is a time-honored tradition.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Discendo Vox posted:

Thank you so much for sharing, this is fascinating! How well does the US model work versus other nations? I know some states (i.e. Greece) have advantages as flag states. Why is that?

As a port state USCG is probably the best. Many of the flags have hired ex USCG to create thier flag state programs and checklists. Some are nearly identical to USCG Port State inspections. But as a flag state, I'm not impressed with the US and vessels that sail under COI. But that's more of a Jones Act problem. A lot of US vessels are public and old. And some of the domestic lines are more truck centric than the international lines.

As to other flags, depends on the flag and what the owner of the vessel is looking for.

BlueBlazer
Apr 1, 2010

BrandorKP posted:

As a port state USCG is probably the best. Many of the flags have hired ex USCG to create thier flag state programs and checklists. Some are nearly identical to USCG Port State inspections. But as a flag state, I'm not impressed with the US and vessels that sail under COI. But that's more of a Jones Act problem. A lot of US vessels are public and old. And some of the domestic lines are more truck centric than the international lines.

As to other flags, depends on the flag and what the owner of the vessel is looking for.

Ask and Tell thread idea? This is super interesting.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




BlueBlazer posted:

Ask and Tell thread idea? This is super interesting.

Unfortunately only if I quit or retire.

Bastard Tetris
Apr 27, 2005

L-Shaped


Nap Ghost

BrandorKP posted:

Unfortunately only if I quit or retire.

Eh I'm sure SA will still be around by then, lookin forward to it

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

https://twitter.com/dril/status/1172850399071494145?s=19

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Sinteres posted:

What a piece of poo poo:
That's loving gross and was clearly motivated by truckloads of dirty rear end rapist cash.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

This is not news.

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer
Cross Posting per request:

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Kicked out of school for related reasons: https://www.google.com/search?biw=1...Q4dUDCAY&uact=5

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Edited to add: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_cultural_heritage_by_ISIL

2 striking photos taken just over a year apart show how Greta Thunberg's climate strike inspired millions

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If This Isn’t Impeachable, Nothing Is
8:10 AM ET / The Atlantic

Otteration fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Sep 22, 2019

Rodenthar Drothman
May 14, 2013

I think I will continue
watching this twilight world
as long as time flows.
I very much appreciate your posts in either thread, my goon.
This thread is a good amalgamation of news bits, easier to parse than USPOL (when this thread is actually going)

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer
Continuing reposts until the gods are bored or angry:

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Answer: Anders Breivik.'

Trump, Carson reject California's request for federal help on homelessness
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A Fake Climate Strike Photo Makes Its Rounds Online
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France Is the First Country to Ban Plastic Cups, Plates, and Cutlery
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To fight ‘evil’ ICE, an engineer pulled his code off Github
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Protests sans Molotov cocktails? Who knew?

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer
Border Patrol agents, rather than asylum officers, interviewing families for ‘credible fear’
Sep. 19, 2019
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Jennifer Arcuri: Boris Johnson repeatedly refuses to deny affair with ex-model awarded public funds and access
9 hours ago
Because chud hypocrisy and shittiness are universal.

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Sandusky, Ohio, Makes Election Day A Paid Holiday — By Swapping Out Columbus Day
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Old article, but small solutions are still everywhere (as are large solutions).

The Press Is Embracing False Equivalence—Again
Sep 22, 2019
"Coverage of the president’s pressure on Ukraine suggests the media learned nothing from 2016."

GOP Challenger Bill Weld Calls for Death Penalty for Trump ‘Treason’ Over Ukraine
09.23.19 10:22AM ET
“That is treason. It’s treason pure and simple, and the penalty for treason under the U.S. code is death"'

The Climate Hunters
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Protest Over ICE Facility Targets GEO Official’s Home In Aurora
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Indonesia’s Rainforests Are Burning and They Matter Just as Much as the Amazon
22 September 2019
"Like in the Amazon, the driving reason for fires is the need to clear land for agricultural use, which is a mostly illegal practice. Eighty percent of Indonesian forest fires are due to land clearing for palm oil plantations. Palm oil is used in a variety of everyday products, including shampoo, chocolate, detergents, bread, and cosmetics. Last year, Indonesia provided over half of the world's palm oil, and demand for it is only increasing, meaning our consumer choice is directly linked to these fires."

'How dare you': Greta Thunberg tears into world leaders over inaction at U.N. climate summit
September 23, 2019
"In an angry and emotional speech at the United Nations climate summit on Monday, Swedish teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg tore into world leaders for failing to act."

Includes video of said speech.

Zotix
Aug 14, 2011



Edit: wrong thread

Zotix fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Sep 24, 2019

Sexual Aluminum
Jun 21, 2003

is made of candy
Soiled Meat
Thanks for the news postings. Helps to sum things up.

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

I CAN'T SAY PRESIDENT DONALD JOHN TRUMP'S NAME BECAUSE HE'S LIKE THAT GUY FROM HARRY POTTER AND I'M AFRAID I'LL SUMMON HIM. DONALD JOHN TRUMP. YOUR FAVORITE PRESIDENT.
OUR 47TH PRESIDENT AFTER THE ONE WHO SHOWERS WITH HIS DAUGHTER DIES
Grimey Drawer
The Impeachment Process, Explained
"The inquiry into President Trump has the potential to reshape his presidency. Here’s how impeachment works."
Sept. 24, 2019

Reshape his presidency gently with a chainsaw, if can we do it right.

Emphasis on the loving "WE".

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Thousands protest against new criminal code in Indonesia
"At least 40 injured in student protests over plans that include outlawing extramarital sex"

'Thousands of students have taken to the streets in Indonesia to protest against a “disastrous” draft criminal code that would include outlawing extramarital sex and a controversial new law that could weaken the nation’s anti-corruption body.'

GOP lawmaker to introduce bill requiring arrested DC protesters pay for police overtime
"GOP Rep. Jim Banks (Ind.) on Monday said that in response to climate protests that took place in downtown Washington, D.C., he plans to introduce a bill that would force arrested protesters to pay for police overtime.

"“Under my bill, a person will be responsible for public safety response costs incurred by the District of Columbia’s response to a demonstration if, in connection with the demonstration, the person is convicted of a felony or misdemeanor offense,” Banks tweeted."

Lesson of the Day: ‘Protesting Climate Change, Young People Take to Streets in a Global Strike’
"In this lesson, students learn more about the climate change protests that took place on Friday around the world, and consider what constitutes success for this movement powered by young people."

GeneticWeapon
May 13, 2007

LeeMajors posted:

Christians have subjugated, slaughtered and committed genocide in the name of Jesus for like 2 millennia. This is all extremely on-brand.

It's only surprising if you've bought into their morality mythos.

No, that was the Catholics. They worship the Mother Mary and pray to her more than Christ 90% of the time.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

GeneticWeapon posted:

No, that was the Catholics. They worship the Mother Mary and pray to her more than Christ 90% of the time.

Oh boy is this really not the thread to do this in.

bowser
Apr 7, 2007

https://twitter.com/SeanMcCarthyCom/status/1176596709813686273?s=19




Ironic post but Poe's Law is in full effect :v:.

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

That's an impressive level of jumping to conclusions going on there. And most billionaires are likely guilty of at least a few major crimes soooooo...

GeneticWeapon posted:

No, that was the Catholics. They worship the Mother Mary and pray to her more than Christ 90% of the time.

:allears:

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RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
Hail Mary gets more playtime than the Nicene Creed, less than Our Father. But they're all overshadowed by God Damnit.

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