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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Are you a NYT thinkpiece writer? I can't really think of many other people who get so angry about a few negative tweets

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Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Andrast posted:

Are you a NYT thinkpiece writer? I can't really think of many other people who get so angry about a few negative tweets

Other than the fact Woolie was tangibly upset by them on the podcast

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Maybe he should spend less time on social media

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Andrast posted:

Are you a NYT thinkpiece writer? I can't really think of many other people who get so angry about a few negative tweets

This is just Mel's gimmick in this thread

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Roth posted:

This is just Mel's gimmick in this thread

the gimmick of "hey maybe berating an independent youtube guy with unsolicited criticism to the point he becomes too self conscious to ever take a risk is a bad thing"

somepartsareme
Mar 10, 2012

Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place
there are ways to say that without sounding incredibly masturbatory

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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somepartsareme posted:

there are ways to say that without sounding incredibly masturbatory

yeah but simpsons beat me to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtdEeI-B21A

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Just warning everyone that talking to Mel is like talking to a brick wall except the brick wall tries to badly concern troll you.

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Mel Mudkiper posted:

the accessibility of social media has rendered the viewer ignorant of his own insignificance
Aaaand that's where I realized that you're just loving with us.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Roth posted:

Just warning everyone that talking to Mel is like talking to a brick wall except the brick wall tries to badly concern troll you.

There is something tragic when the idea of "maybe we should be empathetic towards people producing entertainment we claim to be fans of" is seen as trolling

Grouchio posted:

Aaaand that's where I realized that you're just loving with us.

Again, very concerning that "you as the viewer dont have the right to tell the creator what to make" is seen as loving with a person. Its the poison of a deeply consumerist interaction with media.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


turns out poison is pretty good

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Mel Mudkiper posted:

There is something tragic when the idea of "maybe we should be empathetic towards people producing entertainment we claim to be fans of" is seen as trolling


Again, very concerning that "you as the viewer dont have the right to tell the creator what to make" is seen as loving with a person. Its the poison of a deeply consumerist interaction with media.

I absolutely don't believe you are doing this in good faith after you pulled the same "Don't like, don't watch" bit when me and other trans women in this thread were talking about why they don't like Paige.

somepartsareme
Mar 10, 2012

Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place
maybe you should try to understand the psychology behind why when you make your points the way you do and call other people sociopaths, everyone's reaction is to dunk on you

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Roth posted:

I absolutely don't believe you are doing this in good faith after you pulled the same "Don't like, don't watch" bit when me and other trans women in this thread were talking about why they don't like Paige.

I find it ironic you are bemoaning the existence of Paige while simultaneously supporting creating the environment that makes Paige the last person standing in internet media

If you drive off everyone sensitive enough to take criticism to heart, you are only going to be left with people who don't give a gently caress if they upset you.

somepartsareme
Mar 10, 2012

Diggle Hell is a Real
(Swingin') Place
translation: if you criticize some lame fire emblem videos, that directly leads to people being friends with neonazis

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

The funniest part is that I never said I disagree that going on twitter or whatever to yell at Woolie is anything other than dumb and unnecessary. I just called Mel themself a bad faith poo poo stirrer and they decided my moral alignment on their own.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Roth posted:

The funniest part is that I never said I disagree that going on twitter or whatever to yell at Woolie is anything other than dumb and unnecessary. I just called Mel themself a bad faith poo poo stirrer and they decided my moral alignment on their own.

I dont think you can condemn me for making a bad faith assumption about your intent when you thats entirely what you have been doing to me

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


why aren't we talking about the real harassment, getting ratioed

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I dont think you can condemn me for making a bad faith assumption about your intent when you thats entirely what you have been doing to me

I don't trust people that get mad at me for not liking a transphobe

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Roth posted:

I don't trust people that get mad at me for not liking a transphobe

I think you might be misremembering the conversation

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Why do you have to forgive her? Why does she have to apologize?

If you dont like her and dont want to watch stuff with her in it or she is adjacent to, that's perfectly reasonable. No need to justify it.

You are making a decision about whether or not to watch media sound like a personal relationship

Mel Mudkiper posted:

Like overall, the debate about whether she is a good person or just misguided or whatever seems pointless.

If she makes you uncomfortable, offends you, or pisses you off, that's all the justification you need to not watch. I don't need to explore the character of JonTron to determine where his racism comes from. He's a racist and gently caress him, I am not watching him because he's a racist. You don't need to explore Paige's soul and character to justify being like "I don't want to watch stuff she is in." There seems to be a lot of people trying to justify watching her or not watching her and you don't need to justify what you choose to watch online to others

Like, I literally said the exact opposite of what you just accused me of

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
heh, pat backed out of the direct/banjo rundown right before the sans reveal. and then paige calls him and starts yelling at him because I guess they made a bet about sans getting into smash before doomguy. :allears:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU4sAPPsiak&hd=1

but it's adorable, when DP2 shows up his jaw just loving drops in abject disbelief

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

Mel Mudkiper posted:

I think you might be misremembering the conversation



Like, I literally said the exact opposite of what you just accused me of

I am probably going to regret this, but if you want to discuss this further then go ahead an PM me because I don't think anyone else wants to read this.

Admittedly, I am in a bad mood right now due to being stuck in the parking structure at Disneyland, so I am probably letting that get to me more than I realize.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Roth posted:

I am probably going to regret this, but if you want to discuss this further then go ahead an PM me because I don't think anyone else wants to read this.

Admittedly, I am in a bad mood right now due to being stuck in the parking structure at Disneyland, so I am probably letting that get to me more than I realize.

I really appreciate that, thanks.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
holy poo poo this omega-level pettiness on display from both pat and paige about the details of the bet on whether sans or doomguy would get in smash first is amazing, this is delicious

also people trolling him with timestamps to when they "discuss that being a mii doesn't count" but it's just parts of the stream where Elmo does stuff, this is so good

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

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Captain Invictus posted:

holy poo poo this omega-level pettiness on display from both pat and paige about the details of the bet on whether sans or doomguy would get in smash first is amazing, this is delicious

also people trolling him with timestamps to when they "discuss that being a mii doesn't count" but it's just parts of the stream where Elmo does stuff, this is so good

this one retweet from Pat later on cracked me up so hard I am trying to find it

It was someone re-edited a chick track to be about the Sans costume argument

Indecisive
May 6, 2007


Rewatched the Deadly Premonition LP to refresh my memory and man I forgot how drat wierd that game got. Also at the end of the Director's Cut version which they played, there's actually a hint at the sequel where York says there's something happening in New Orleans, so Swery had an idea even back then of what he wanted to do with it I guess.

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMQv_umlFXk

It's not what I thought, it's him going through the game (pre recorded) with it being heavily edited (first part he condenses it to 30 minutes which was basically the first 2 hours of the game) and providing commentary on why the game is just.. boring and parts of the game that just doesn't work.

Shindragon fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Sep 10, 2019

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
man I guess that edgelords series died a whimpery fart of a death huh, I liked the first few episodes and...that's all he ever made lol

It always looked to be a ridiculous amount of editing work for sub-100k views like many of his videos get and indeed he seems to have thought the same. Though maybe it could be a patreon thing instead since that's more direct than view count stuff.

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

Captain Invictus posted:

man I guess that edgelords series died a whimpery fart of a death huh, I liked the first few episodes and...that's all he ever made lol

It always looked to be a ridiculous amount of editing work for sub-100k views like many of his videos get and indeed he seems to have thought the same. Though maybe it could be a patreon thing instead since that's more direct than view count stuff.

Wait is it confirmed Edgelords is dead? 'Cause those were by far my favorite Matt videos. :(

Also, Woolie's new video about Crawl is loving sick. That game scratches a Darkest Dungeon/Gang Beasts itch I didn't know i had.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I wonder if doing The Voice for Edgelords turned Matt off.

Monathin
Sep 1, 2011

?????????
?

To be fair if you're actually doing that kind of voice (as in, not getting the effect thru post-processing) and not trained in voicework, it can gently caress your vocal cords up real bad real quick (hell, even if you are trained. Frank Welker's old G1 Megatron voice really did a number on him over the years.)

MaxDuo
Aug 13, 2010
Listening to this week's podcast is giving me a weird memory of a tweet by Liam, which made me remember this as well. Pat and Woolie are talking about how the most important thing of the FGC is that people feel angry and salty, that people want to quit, that people want to be violent and commit crime... and going on about how thuggery is the most amazing thing and necessary and the FGC will forever have this and needs this.

I remember back when there was that shooting at the mall for the NFL or NBA game (which was it?). Liam made some super upset post about "figure your poo poo out America" and "games are supposed to be our safe places, a haven where we feel accepted and happy and comfortable even if everything else is horrible in life!" Back when he made that post.... all I could think of was Pat and Woolie popping off about any kind of thuggery possible happening at FGC stuff. I think it was not long after some guy took his shirt off and was ready to fight on live TV and got escorted away?

Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
The guy you're talking about walked on stage after Chris G won marvel 3 that year and challenge him in Marvel 3 and was escorted away

It was not known why he had no shirt or did that but it was thuggery of the most inoffensive level

Dias
Feb 20, 2011

by sebmojo
The FGC has issues and quite a few of them are pertaining to the culture - such as misogyny and machismo - but "thuggery" doesn't really refer to being violent and it's kinda a...problematic reading of what is a subculture heavily influenced by urban African-American culture. The term itself is weird but it did come from the black members of the community so I'm not touching it. People are loud, full of bravado and crazy poo poo happens, but actual violence is heavily frowned upon. You talk poo poo, people talk poo poo back, whoever wins gets bragging rights, whoever loses gets to hold that L. Now, there are problematic aspects about that kinda thing, it is very much a macho posturing thing and all, and it eventually leads to physical altercations (hi Noel Brown) which the community has to deal with, but it doesn't lead to mass shootings because that poo poo's got a different motivation behind it.

edit: actually if I'm not mistaken the whole "thuggery" meme came because of Capcom. Not a ninja edit, but I just remembered that and looked it up:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/73773349

"various forms of thuggery" is what got people and that's not referring to anything other than popoffs and being loud, so the community embraced that poo poo especially because it is a itsy-bitty...racist.

Dias fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Sep 11, 2019

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?

Captain Baal posted:

The guy you're talking about walked on stage after Chris G won marvel 3 that year and challenge him in Marvel 3 and was escorted away

It was not known why he had no shirt or did that but it was thuggery of the most inoffensive level

If Chris G weren't such a racist coward he would've accepted, that was the biggest disappointment.

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty

Yardbomb posted:

If Chris G weren't such a racist coward he would've accepted, that was the biggest disappointment.
:yikes:

Yardbomb
Jul 11, 2011

What's with the eh... bretonnian dance, sir?


While mostly making a joke, Chris G is a for real racist though.

Blockhouse
Sep 7, 2014

You Win!
dude went on a facebook rant about how black women are bad at fighting games and only come to tournaments to try and gently caress him and suffered zero repercussions for that because he can hit the stick to make the character move good

Tae
Oct 24, 2010

Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!
Just like real sports then!

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Captain Baal
Oct 23, 2010

I Failed At Anime 2022
I am also heavily in the "gently caress Chris G" camp

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