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Starks posted:Pierogis are disgusting and very midwestern in spirit. Mashed potato inside fried dough with a bunch of heavy sauces on top?? lol Also why do goons only know how to rate places based on how "good" the food is.
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Chicago is neck-deep in poles and polish cuisine and Toronto is the same for ukranians so idk about bragging about the midwest's culinary prowess re: eastern Europe.steinrokkan posted:lol We are all extremely fat. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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Sep 12, 2019 18:02
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Chicago is neck-deep in poles and polish cuisine and Toronto is the same for ukranians so idk about bragging about the midwest's culinary prowess re: eastern Europe. You’ve already insulted Toronto once and now you’re implying it’s part of the Midwest? I’m literally shaking
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Starks posted:You’ve already insulted Toronto once and now you’re implying it’s part of the Midwest? I’m literally shaking it is. soarry.
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Starks posted:You’ve already insulted Toronto once and now you’re implying it’s part of the Midwest? I’m literally shaking Tsunami warning!
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Sep 12, 2019 18:09
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Starks posted:Ok well if it’s not potato that might be better but I bet they’re still gross. Pop tarts aren't dumplings, they're sandwiches.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:12
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By the definition they're using, bread is a dumpling.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:14
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Crab rangoons are not dumplings, but they are a thing I really like, know how to cook, and got taught how to cook working for a cantonese guy in Ontario who was loving proud of his kitchen and his menu. I admire this map's commitment to not making GBS threads on fusion cuisines. A crab rangoon is distinctly north american, and also wouldn't have happened without chinese immigration. A thing can be an american trash food and an "authentic" food at the same time. Whining about how "authentic" a food is is basically the best way to out yourself as a worthless white. "Wow this is really good but I went to Beijing for a few days and uh, they didn't sell crab rangoons there, I just wish this restaurant was more authentic" wow that's so shocking you boring rear end white motherfucker Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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Sep 12, 2019 18:22
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Starks posted:Also I’m pretty sure Chicago has more Michelin stars than Budapest or Warsaw Edgar Allen Ho posted:Chicago is neck-deep in poles and polish cuisine and Toronto is the same for ukranians so idk about bragging about the midwest's culinary prowess re: eastern Europe.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:23
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Starks posted:Pierogis are disgusting and very midwestern in spirit. Mashed potato inside fried dough with a bunch of heavy sauces on top?? worst take ive seen in my entire life
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Sep 12, 2019 18:25
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Delthalaz posted:Pop tarts aren't dumplings, they're sandwiches. But it’s sealed so it’s a dumpling. (I got this dumb idea from a “Go home Wikipedia you’re drunk” thread a while back but it looks they’ve since fixed it. ) 
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Sep 12, 2019 18:29
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Crab rangoons are not dumplings, but they are a thing I really like, know how to cook, and got taught how to cook working for a cantonese guy in Ontario who was loving proud of his kitchen and his menu. much like all x-american food spagheti and meatballs? not really italian. chicken parmesan? not how you spell parmigiana and also not italian. fajitas? not mexican. america was built by the inauthentic.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:30
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Sampatrick posted:much like all x-american food 
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Sep 12, 2019 18:32
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who cares what food is "authentic"
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Andrast posted:who cares what food is "authentic" WASPs in North America.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:43
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If a meal is part of what the people living somewhere eat on a regular basis, it's authentic, hth.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:44
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Wow, a food chat? How exciting!
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Starks posted:You’ve already insulted Toronto once and now you’re implying it’s part of the Midwest? I’m literally shaking Ontario is extremely Midwest.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Given how America was settled, it seems like you could argue that countryside and cities often aren't even part of the same culinary lineage. In some cases, even neighborhoods within the same city. Depends on the volume of immigration, Socal and Texas have legit Mexican food elements all over because of it. Same as the Tri-State area (plus RI) have widespread great Italian. But yeah like looking for excellent Tamil food is probably like five specific neighborhoods.
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Sep 12, 2019 18:50
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Sampatrick posted:much like all x-american food I've never seen a worse misreading of a post in my entire life. Also quote:chicken parmesan? not how you spell parmigiana and also not italian. I know this thread acted shocked that Italy was a cobbled together 19th century project, but yeah it had and still has a variety of differing dialects. And it might blow your mind to find out that immigration from it didn't come from the areas where people spoke the prestige mainstream dialect that became the Italian language. And they might just have brought over regional and backwater terms/spellings/pronunciations for foods and things that aren't encountered on Rosetta Stone! Weird!
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Kennel posted:Wow, a food chat? How exciting! Latin #1 for five centuries and counting (no don't ask how), suck it, uh, squiggly South Indian scripts
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Sep 12, 2019 19:01
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everybody just needs to relax
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Sep 12, 2019 19:09
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Grape posted:I've never seen a worse misreading of a post in my entire life. I was literally just saying that the same things that you can say about how chinese-american food being inauthentic is true of pretty much every minority cuisine in America. I'm aware of all of that, you don't need to act like you know so much more on the subject lmao. The word parmesan isn't a regional or backwater spelling, it's a word invented to sell a generic variant not produced in any of the traditional regions in Italy. I pointed to specifically spaghetti and meatballs and chicken parmesan because they're both distinctly not actually italian, even if they certainly are italian-american. I'm sure you will also be shocked to learn that not only are there lots of different dialects in Italy, but also there are several different languages that also fall under the umbrella category of Italian.
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Starks posted:Ok well if it’s not potato that might be better but I bet they’re still gross. How the gently caress is a Semmelknödel even a dumpling. They could've easily gone for Maultaschen instead.
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Sereri posted:How the gently caress is a Semmelknödel even a dumpling. They could've easily gone for Maultaschen instead. Dumpling is a state of mind
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I did not know that veripalttu is a dumpling
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Sep 12, 2019 19:25
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wikipedia defines a dumpling as being dough either filled with stuff or not filled with stuff and for that reason i would like to introduce you to me new ted talk: the pancake, america's favorite dumpling
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Sampatrick posted:The word parmesan isn't a regional or backwater spelling, it's a word invented to sell a generic variant not produced in any of the traditional regions in Italy. Speaking of forced authenticity, those EU food laws that get super  about where the real variety of something comes from or can only come from are insane.Parmesan cheese apparently dates back like 700 years or so, and you think before modern bureaucracy that it had one exact name, and was produced solely in one set of regions? And didn't spread around into other cuisines? It's going to be a dark day when all of the Balkans plus Turkey enter the EU, and collide with that purist nonsense of trying to establish the one true real home and name of X Food. Blood will be shed. quote:I pointed to specifically spaghetti and meatballs and chicken parmesan because they're both distinctly not actually italian, even if they certainly are italian-american. And you said this made it inauthentic food, with a clear negative connotation lol.
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(Dumpling map) I don't really have anything against Crab Rangoon, I just don't associate it with the Bay Area. It's pretty rare here, whereas literally every Chinese place in the Midwest seems to serve it. (Writing system map) What's that bit of Manchu way out west by Kazakhstan?
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Sep 12, 2019 19:29
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whither tamales, pasties, maultaschen, matzo balls, spätzle, mochi etc etc
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Grape posted:Speaking of forced authenticity, those EU food laws that get super I mean, I was trying to say that the desire for authenticity is stupid and all the food you're eating is inauthentic anyway. the eu food laws are the way they are in order to protect local communities from being outcompeted by rich corporations who can scale up production massively and thus make it impossible for any traditional producers to stay in business. youre also completely misunderstanding where the naming follows from - parmesan cheese is called parmesan cheese because it's a specialized cheese from that region of italy. other regions of italy specialize in different kinds of cheese. so yes, for the most part, the regions of italy that produce parmesan now are indeed mostly those regions which produced parmesan centuries ago, because the other regions of italy were producing other regional varieties. i do not think you actually understand almost anything about the history of food in europe or why the eu food laws exist.
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Starks posted:But it’s sealed so it’s a dumpling. Personally, my favorite dumplings are burritos, quesadillas, and calzones e: I was jokingly referring to the classic sandwich alignment chart https://i.imgur.com/k5tPJJ1.jpg Delthalaz fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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Protected names are good because you can still buy all the Kraft Parmesan equivalent you want, but if you get a craving for the real stuff from time to time, you know that if you buy something that's labeled Parmigiano Reggiano, it's what is claims to be, and that it has the qualities you'd expect.
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Grape posted:
My "native language" is either french or english or yiddish or german depending on who you ask. I can code switch as an adult of course but get me drunk and I am going to mutter at you in all of them, which I think is basically yiddish. I can write it out in latin or cyrillic or hebrew too and even ask "vy govorite po-frantsuskiy?" for the cyrillic folks. Don't ask me to write a paper in yiddish proper tho cuz I can't. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Sep 12, 2019 |
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The main property of dumplings is that they've been dumped into a liquid. Boiled, poached? Yes. Fried? Open to further research. Steamed? Very contentious. Baked, roasted, grilled, broiled, microwaved...? gently caress right off.
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Family Values posted:(Dumpling map) I don't really have anything against Crab Rangoon, I just don't associate it with the Bay Area. It's pretty rare here, whereas literally every Chinese place in the Midwest seems to serve it. It is believed to have been first served in SF at Trader Vic's.
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steinrokkan posted:The main property of dumplings is that they've been dumped into a liquid. Boiled, poached? Yes. Fried? Open to further research. Steamed? Very contentious. Baked, roasted, grilled, broiled, microwaved...? gently caress right off. i want to say that the etymology of dumpling is actually super unclear and nobody knows exactly where it comes from. theres an old english form of dump that means a misshaped piece which it might come from. i like to believe that the word dumpling was actually given to man from God as part of His final testament, in order to warm our hearts until judgement day comes
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Ras Het posted:I did not know that veripalttu is a dumpling It isn't but someone extremely disturbed wrote the Wikipedia entry for dumpling and the map is going by that. Literally anything cooked that has any dough in it is a dumpling, according to Wikipedia.
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Sampatrick posted:I mean, I was trying to say that the desire for authenticity is stupid and all the food you're eating is inauthentic anyway. I know (even in Europe!) that food spreads, the names changes, and the origins become obscure, or at least claims to ownership become muddy. Even if there is a clear point of origin, this stuff does and has spread organically before modern corporations. You seem to be conflating all stuff that comes from outside the exact designated areas as being a battle between the regional mom&pops and big companies. And yeah that aspect and purpose of the law is good, but in doing that good it's also partaking in some degree of revisionism and simplification. Do you really think traditionally the only places that made parmesan cheese were in that exact area in and around Emilia Romagna? That over 700 years it just stuck in that area? Not even to other areas of northern Italy? What I'm getting at is you protect some of the Mom&Pops, but you are going to screw over other Mom&Pops.
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Grape posted:I know (even in Europe!) that food spreads, the names changes, and the origins become obscure, or at least claims to ownership become muddy. Even if there is a clear point of origin, this stuff does and has spread organically before modern corporations. You literally don't understand place names lmaooooooo!
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