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Xun posted:And that is why I always play with ProjectE Equivalent Skies manages to make a Skyblock with ProjectE unlocked from the start into an extremely boring and grindy experience. Not even ProjectE can save you from bad design. Minecraft is just not Factorio or Infinifactory. It can’t be. It sucks at that.
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I genuinely have enjoyed stuff like Thaumcraft more than most mods because it fits well with the fact that minecraft is a first person lego game, it gets you to build fun looking stuff. Sadly some of the things like the ambient effects of everything near a research bench seem to have been taken out in the latest version. More modpacks would benefit from that philosophy I think though, introducing cool looking things to build and a focus on the experience of using them, minecraft is quite a tactile game and a lot of mods seem to work really hard at taking that out and turning it into a number cruncher.
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Tyty posted:I've seen people complain about it and sometimes modpack authors will slide in with a smug-rear end "You need to automate it" but it's like they don't even understand their own design. Modpacks seemed like they were "solving" this by requiring more resources to build the machines, then neutering the potentially fun mods because they'd cause lag on the machine network required to run your storage system or gather the resources required to do the bare minimum. It's not fun to me. At least it made me weirdly grow to appreciate Vanilla more, somehow?
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I really think the best way to go about integrating different mods into each other is to pick one basic resource from each mod and make that the gating mechanic, then use the previous mod(s) in the stack to provide the methods of obtaining that resource. For example, like I did in DPT6 (before I admittedly got a little bogged down in the same "craft bits to craft bits to craft the thing" design flaw), if you have IE and TE in the same pack, TE machines should be an upgrade in efficiency, space use, speed, or all three over IE - and all that they should need is steel ingots. The fun part is then providing different ways for people to make steel, with different levels of investment in the IE progression. Again, using DPT6 as an example:
Each of these options required different levels of infrastructural support, but the goal was more or less achieved. Nerds could just cook enough steel via IE to produce steel using TE machines, and then never touch IE again - or, if they like IE, they could invest in the infrastructure requirements to support an arc furnace and be rewarded with more efficient material costs.
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OwlFancier posted:I genuinely have enjoyed stuff like Thaumcraft more than most mods because it fits well with the fact that minecraft is a first person lego game, it gets you to build fun looking stuff. Sadly some of the things like the ambient effects of everything near a research bench seem to have been taken out in the latest version. I agree big time. The number one thing that turns me off from modpacks is the inevitable descent into tech mods and automation that it feels like *every single one has*. The big fun is making your thematic builds. The huge popularity of skyblock maps, which almost all just turn into a horrible mishmash of ill-fitting machines built around "efficiency," is a pretty big warning sign.
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Once you’ve automated one thing you’ve automated then all. There is nothing new and interesting left to find. Skyblocks and FTBs are the same drat game over and over again.
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Honestly nowadays I find more enjoyment out of making my own themed packs without a dozen of the same category mod type than by playing premade stuff. All the big packs pretty much have the same big-names mods and/or too many mods of the same type for me to care anymore.
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Omnifactory was the only pack I ever played that really made me want to or enjoy large scale automation, and a huge part of that is that resources are very plentiful and can themselves be automated in a variety of ways, plus lots of forms of ore processing. The recipes were well integrated so there was very little stuff along the lines of what you see in many modpacks where a part of the tech tree only exists as distraction and once you pass its gate you never touch it again. That said, my understanding is that (as is often the case) the endgame push is a tedious grind where you have to build like 20x of each machine, but at least as far as I've gotten you don't need ridiculous parallelization, and automation will get you far. Probably the biggest difference in any pack I've played between doing things by hand and just having automatic processing, given the amount of steps and varied resources that go into some things. That said I'm pretty burned out on that whole approach lately, as many others, and I've learned to enjoy just a really simple approach instead. My current modpack is 90% small tweaks or quality of life mods, and the big content stuff is Betweenlands, Astral Sorcery, and Wizardry. I cut out Thaumcraft and Tinkers just to reduce the resource dumping/ladder climbing feeling and this much simpler pack is really more my speed these days. I missed this kind of unassuming and laid back experience.
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I would give my left arm for a new Hexxit or Plus Sigma. I want something adventure/building focused, but the base loot tables suck rear end in almost every dungeon mod and it loses the magic if I make them myself.
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Eox posted:I would give my left arm for a new Hexxit or Plus Sigma. I want something adventure/building focused, but the base loot tables suck rear end in almost every dungeon mod and it loses the magic if I make them myself. Yeah, it'd be nice to have some structured 'dungeons' and maybe that's the way to unlock more crafting/etc. "At the end of dungeon one, you find a workbench!' etc. DDSS was great until I realized how tedious all the crafting would be. :\ I think that Ultimate Alchemy is the last modpack I played that I really went 'whoa that's a neat idea on', because it immediately gives you infinite wood and stone and is just about the automation of all those things, and that was faaaantastic. I might go back and try it again honestly.
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Some sort of procedurally generated "Super Hostile" worldgen could be neat, if anyone still remembers the Super Hostile maps. Go forth and conquer the dungeon, get rewards, go conquer the next dungeon...
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Sep 13, 2019 03:47
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Clearly the time is right for Blightfall 2.
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hopefully there's some stuff in the pillager code that makes it easier to do more dangerous worlds with interesting adventure progression do 1.14 villagers still need mobgriefing on to breed? i know other parts of villager breeding were tinkered with
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Carados posted:Clearly the time is right for Blightfall 2. Hey, there was that pack the Blightfall developer was supposed to be working on that got shown off a bit in this thread. Hopefully that'll come out someday! I'm also kind of hoping that underwater pack pushed a bit earlier is cool, but we'll see. TBH though most of my time spent playing Minecraft lately is just tossing mods into a folder and playing with them. I just got done with one pack like that; I don't bother setting up a progression, but honestly a 'progression' often feels like an excuse to add multiple tech mods and force you to use all of them when they're redundant. I'd rather go 'oh, I should build (a power system) because I need power' 'oh, I should build resource processing because I need a lot of this for another mod', 'oh, I have a lot of stuff, I should build an rftools storage monitor (never use AE)' than need to build Block X to build Widget Y. Progression-based packs can be fun, certainly (I did like exoria, until it hit environmental tech/infinite resources, and sevtech ages was fun when I was playing it with friends) but it's way too much trouble when I'm rolling my own pack. Most mods are pretty well assembled and can work together as-is, as long as you don't need to install every single tech mod off forge and demand a raison d'etre from each and every one of them. Then again, when I'm not wandering swamps or horrible monster dimensions, I mostly just end up building big, expansive kitchens and dining areas, so my opinion is probably not the best about what Minecraft should be.    100% True Authentic Artistic Vision Minecraft Experience 
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Minecraft is a sandbox game so if you want to build a big, fancy kitchen then...hey, knock yourself out.
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See now we just need someone only into designing weapons and then someone designing bosses and we have a Kitchen Sink Dungeon pack
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BlondRobin posted:Hey, there was that pack the Blightfall developer was supposed to be working on that got shown off a bit in this thread. Hopefully that'll come out someday! I'm also kind of hoping that underwater pack pushed a bit earlier is cool, but we'll see. You're build looks super good! I also like to build weirdly elaborate buildings, although I tend to build empty buildings that I leave sitting around until my girlfriend fills them with kitchens and dining areas  Which mod adds the placeable food items?
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If only building large/megastructures wasn’t a tedious pain in the rear end at any level. Though Effortless Building helps a lot.
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Xun posted:You're build looks super good! I also like to build weirdly elaborate buildings, although I tend to build empty buildings that I leave sitting around until my girlfriend fills them with kitchens and dining areas That's HeatAndClimate, a Japanese-developed mod that I guess would be most cleanly described as 'Better With Mods Meets Pam's Harvestcraft, Also Fire Hurts.' It's a good core mod to expand Minecraft, probably my favorite; it changes the game so blocks and dimensions which would have temperature... do that thing. Magma is hot to stand around, ice is cool, etc. and you can place these near each other to mitigate the effects, wear armor to increase your comfortable range etc. Then it uses this mostly to do things like making metal processing an in-world thing where you put blocks of dust in special environments to smelt them. Also part of that, it also has a lot of food- way less than Pam's Harvestcraft, but way more than most other mods- and apply the same thing to them. That brick stove in the screenshot is actually functional! You can make chili in the pot halfway off the screen to the right, too. It also adds really big, satisfying ore chunks to find, some really quite good-looking gear, a handful of weird magical accessories based around gems and the reason I called it like Better With Mods, a whole bunch of machines that use kinetic energy, usually generated with or manipulating the temperature systems above. Also a hilarious series of chemical reactions to make plastics (which then you can press into acryllic glass, synthetic fibers for clothes or fake fur), smokeless gunpowder et. al. because apparently the mod-maker thinks chemistry is super fun. As a bonus, the entire thing visually looks extremely Katamari Damacy-style kitsch. Edit: If you saw AppleMilkTea for 1.7.10, this is basically the successor to that mod.
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BlondRobin posted:That's HeatAndClimate, a Japanese-developed mod that I guess would be most cleanly described as 'Better With Mods Meets Pam's Harvestcraft, Also Fire Hurts.' It's a good core mod to expand Minecraft, probably my favorite; it changes the game so blocks and dimensions which would have temperature... do that thing. Magma is hot to stand around, ice is cool, etc. and you can place these near each other to mitigate the effects, wear armor to increase your comfortable range etc. Then it uses this mostly to do things like making metal processing an in-world thing where you put blocks of dust in special environments to smelt them. Also part of that, it also has a lot of food- way less than Pam's Harvestcraft, but way more than most other mods- and apply the same thing to them. That brick stove in the screenshot is actually functional! You can make chili in the pot halfway off the screen to the right, too. Oh poo poo this looks amazing, I'll have to install it ASAP. Have you tried it with modded biomes as well? I see that it does stuff with biome humidity/temperature but I don't know if that's something they added or working with something innate to minecraft biomes so modded ones would have them too.
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Xun posted:Oh poo poo this looks amazing, I'll have to install it ASAP. Have you tried it with modded biomes as well? I see that it does stuff with biome humidity/temperature but I don't know if that's something they added or working with something innate to minecraft biomes so modded ones would have them too. It's okay with modded biomes generally since IIRC it can follow Minecraft's heat map if all else fails, but chokes-ish on mod alternate dimensions; ones that apply the heatmap are okay, mostly, but a bunch will just be extremely default temperature. (The Nether is fine, but intentionally very hot; make sure to wear cool clothes! The End iirc is mostly untouched except End Rods emit cool temperatures.) However, it comes out of the box with specific support for Biomes o' Plenty, and most of the other biome mods didn't survive the version transitions from 1.7.10 onwards! So generally I don't notice. The only catch is it has its own seasons system, which does not play well with Biomes o' Plenty's own season system that comes in a related mod (though they aren't terrible together, you just have to match their time cycles.) That mod is optional anyway, though. Also fwiw it's generally very well integrated- pretty much all its materials are oredicted and you can use its materials extremely broadly across most mods. The only real problem is its chemicals aren't, because there's not a lot of mods that actually use multiple 'real' fluids and gasses, and because it loves particular detail its titanium is not 'titanium,' but a 'titanium alloy' because afaik that's how titanium is actually used in real life. EDIT: It's also pretty much 100% integrated into JEI, including custom recipe information for things like items that transform when dropped in certain environments and for the processes and outputs of its various machines. BlondRobin fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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Pollyanna posted:Tiny Dry Rubber crafts by 9 into Dry Rubber. How come it won't do the thing in a compacting drawer? Does it reverse? A compacting drawer doesn't compress unless it can be done in reverse, so unless a Dry Rubber turns into 9 Tiny Dry Rubber it won't do it. It's only intended as large storage for things like metals and possibly redstone with blocks and nuggets where they're all interchangeable ways of storing. It's not meant as an autocrafter to pile things together.
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BlondRobin posted:Does it reverse? A compacting drawer doesn't compress unless it can be done in reverse, so unless a Dry Rubber turns into 9 Tiny Dry Rubber it won't do it. It's only intended as large storage for things like metals and possibly redstone with blocks and nuggets where they're all interchangeable ways of storing. It's not meant as an autocrafter to pile things together. Sounds like a niche for an addon to Storage Drawers.
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Ugh, that sucks...but, I got Refined Storage up and running, so I'll prolly just pipe the Tinies in and craft as needed. If I have Mob Grinding Utils, what's the best structure to use for a mob farm? Extra Utilities isn't in the pack, but I do have Industrial Foregoing and Draconic Evolution.
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Pollyanna posted:Ugh, that sucks...but, I got Refined Storage up and running, so I'll prolly just pipe the Tinies in and craft as needed. Industrial Foregoing is good at duplicating specific mobs, but its essence requirement means you need a seed mob farm. If you have Astral Sorcery, a pelotrio ritual will produce a LOT of mobs, if you juice it with a collector. They only work at night, though. EnderIO has infinity dust that can spawn mobs, too, though I don't know if it's self-sustainable outside of FTB: I. Other than that, a vanilla-style dark room.
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Industrial Foregoing is good at duplicating specific mobs, but its essence requirement means you need a seed mob farm. If you have Astral Sorcery, a pelotrio ritual will produce a LOT of mobs, if you juice it with a collector. They only work at night, though. EnderIO has infinity dust that can spawn mobs, too, though I don't know if it's self-sustainable outside of FTB: I. Other than that, a vanilla-style dark room. Is there a blueprint/tutorial I can follow? I've never built one of these before.
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Pollyanna posted:Is there a blueprint/tutorial I can follow? I've never built one of these before. Which one?
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Which one? The easiest one that doesn't suck. Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:https://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Tutorials/Mob_grinder Oh, it...mob farms look kinda jank don't they? The really tall ones look weird as hell.
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Man, you don't realize how some mods reduce annoyances until you don't put them in your pack; I'd forgotten how big a pain in the rear end it is not being able to just craft slimeballs or finding slime island.
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I have over time come to really hate mob grinders in general because they're terrible and take way too long to set up and require even more rote repetition than setting up my 400th tinker's smelter or going through Thaumcraft's research yet again. They never work perfectly and two seemingly identical builds feel like they yield massively different results and they're always getting clogged with spiders, or not handling endermen, or what the gently caress ever. If a simple, reliable mob spawning/farming mod had come out early and just become the accepted standard it would've changed so much, or even if Minecraft had something to force it, but no, we get this incredibly weird wiki-checking garbage where I have to look up the spawning radius vs the mob idle radius on every new skyblock pack. Terrible mechanic, dear packmakers stop forcing me to construct a fully vanilla mob spawner as like the 4th quest in a progression pack.
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I kinda wish adventure maps would make a resurgence, I feel like part of the magic of how good Blightfall is is that it's both a modpack and an adventure map combined. Even with dungeon and exploration mods in packs, procedurally made dungeons tend to be "beat one and you've beaten them all" for any particular mod in a pack and they wear thin VERY quickly imo.
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I followed this guy's mob farm and it's only now after I built it that I don't think it can spawn Endermen, which is the only mob I was trying to get drops for.  EDIT: In fact, it's not working whatsoever. That's cool. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Sep 14, 2019 |
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Pollyanna posted:I followed this guy's mob farm and it's only now after I built it that I don't think it can spawn Endermen, which is the only mob I was trying to get drops for. If you just want an easier way to get ender pearls, there's the Ender Ore mod that adds a dust you can mine for that you can easily craft into pearls.
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Evil Mastermind posted:If you just want an easier way to get ender pearls, there's the Ender Ore mod that adds a dust you can mine for that you can easily craft into pearls. I think they're playing a specific mod pack, so it's probably not as easy as tossing in an ore mod. Otherwise my response to their 'how to build a mob grinder without extra utils 2' question would have been 'add extra utils 2, i mean what the heck c'mon'
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