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HEY GUNS posted:I Went To The Colosseum And All I Got Was This Porny Lamp And that is where "flashing" came from.
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chitoryu12 posted:They also had snack salesmen, action figures of gladiators, and product promotion by them! Yep. The Colosseum operated almost identically to a modern stadium. The only significant difference I can think of is the tickets were free. And we don't make women stand in the nosebleed section with the slaves and foreigners. The class based seating now is just done by price instead of decree.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yep. The Colosseum operated almost identically to a modern stadium. The only significant difference I can think of is the tickets were free. Did they frisk people for weapons?
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Platystemon posted:Did they frisk people for weapons? Supposedly the Colosseum only took 15 minutes to be filled or emptied so I'm going to guess there was no security beyond personal guards brought by patricians.
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How did they not have super-bad sports riots? Did they? Aside from the Nike revolt of course.
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KiteAuraan posted:erotic oil lamps. Were these oil lamps shaped like people doin' it, or were they lamps for burning whatever the gently caress kind of essential oils helped Romans get it on?
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Sep 11, 2019 07:42
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Grand Prize Winner posted:How did they not have super-bad sports riots? Did they? I dunno about in Rome but in Constantinople sports riots were a recurring feature.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:How did they not have super-bad sports riots? Did they? I don't know of any riots in the Colosseum. Sports rioting tended to be about chariot racing which would've been in the Circus Maximus. Especially once the colored teams show up you do get some pretty hardcore riots, but that's more of a Constantinople thing.
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Sep 11, 2019 07:57
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't know of any riots in the Colosseum. Sports rioting tended to be about chariot racing which would've been in the Circus Maximus. Especially once the colored teams show up you do get some pretty hardcore riots, but that's more of a Constantinople thing.
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HEY GUNS posted:modern soccer ultras only think they're hardcore. they have never been part of/almost brought down a state Uh, Besiktas ultras would like a word
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Tias posted:Uh, Besiktas ultras would like a word half of constantinople burned to the ground during the nika revolt, this record is still unbeaten
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Sep 11, 2019 10:00
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Grand Fromage posted:Supposedly the Colosseum only took 15 minutes to be filled or emptied so I'm going to guess there was no security beyond personal guards brought by patricians.
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Sep 11, 2019 10:08
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I guess my question was more like "were there any big riots of historical note other than Nike"? Like, what would have happened if the Greens got sponsored by Adidas instead?
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Sep 11, 2019 10:31
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HEY GUNS posted:what do we know about classical roman crowd management skills What would have been the forces available for that? Praetorians - idk when exactly they became a thing - plus the closest legion? IIRC I read in this thread that there technically was no police?
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Grand Prize Winner posted:I guess my question was more like "were there any big riots of historical note other than Nike"? Like, what would have happened if the Greens got sponsored by Adidas instead?  the eastern roman empire plus fifa would have either taken over the world or destroyed it
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Sep 11, 2019 10:46
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aphid_licker posted:What would have been the forces available for that? Praetorians - idk when exactly they became a thing - plus the closest legion? IIRC I read in this thread that there technically was no police?
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Why are we "burying the lede" (as the kids say these days) and talking about riots when we could be discussing erotic oil lamps?
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HEY GUNS posted:i have no idea, but why was there no Roman Hillsborough Disaster? Was there one that I just never heard about? Was there ever! Tacitus Annales IV posted:62. In the year of the consulship of Marcus Licinius and Lucius Calpurnius (AD 27), the losses of a great war were matched by an unexpected disaster, no sooner begun than ended. One Atilius, of the freedman class, having undertaken to build an amphitheatre at Fidena for the exhibition of a show of gladiators, failed to lay a solid foundation to frame the wooden superstructure with beams of sufficient strength; for he had neither an abundance of wealth, nor zeal for public popularity, but he had simply sought the work for sordid gain. Thither flocked all who loved such sights and who during the reign of Tiberius had been wholly debarred from such amusements; men and women of every age crowding to the place because it was near Rome. And so the calamity was all the more fatal. The building was densely crowded; then came a violent shock, as it fell inwards or spread outwards, precipitating and burying an immense multitude which was intently gazing on the show or standing round. Those who were crushed to death in the first moment of the accident had at least under such dreadful circumstances the advantage of escaping torture. More to be pitied were they who with limbs torn from them still retained life, while they recognised their wives and children by seeing them during the day and by hearing in the night their screams and groans. Soon all the neighbours in their excitement at the report were bewailing brothers, kinsmen or parents. Even those whose friends or relatives were away from home for quite a different reason, still trembled for them, and as it was not yet known who had been destroyed by the crash, suspense made the alarm more widespread.
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HEY GUNS posted:half of constantinople burned to the ground during the nika revolt, this record is still unbeaten which has nothing to do with your assertion that modern ultras have not almost toppled a state, and that I refuted
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Were these oil lamps shaped like people doin' it, or were they lamps for burning whatever the gently caress kind of essential oils helped Romans get it on? Discus-shaped oil lamp with what I think was a mold-made relief of two people doin' it in the center.
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Sep 11, 2019 15:12
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Shaped like a dick with the balls holding the olive oil and the penis tip the flame. The original flesh light.
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Sep 11, 2019 15:26
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Seems like Atilius got off easy there
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aphid_licker posted:Seems like Atilius got off easy there It does, but bear in mind the term “exilium” is kind of vague and can cover anything from being ordered to get out of Rome and not come back for a while, to being stripped of all your property and civil rights and thrown out of civilized life, to being shipped to the ends of the earth like Ovid or dumped on a rock in the Mediterranean to live in a miserable captivity like Julia or Postumus Agrippa.
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Plus I assume you have to worry about relatives of the deceased putting a price on your head.
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mossyfisk posted:Plus I assume you have to worry about relatives of the deceased putting a price on your head. One form of exile, “forbidding fire and water”, apparently had the connotation of outlawry: the guy had no legal rights anymore so you could just kill him yourself if you happened to see him.
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skasion posted:One form of exile, “forbidding fire and water”, apparently had the connotation of outlawry: the guy had no legal rights anymore so you could just kill him yourself if you happened to see him. I thought that carried further implication. Not only can you kill him, it's actually forbidden to help him, ie by sharing your hearth or a drink.
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fellas, is it gay to be buried with another guy holding hands with your heads positioned to stare lovingly into another each others eyes? https://mobile.twitter.com/nypost/status/1172179459069370368
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Agean90 posted:fellas, is it gay to be buried with another guy holding hands with your heads positioned to stare lovingly into another each others eyes? in modena? no
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Balls ain’t touching.
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LingcodKilla posted:Balls ain’t touching. But what if their tip was?
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What are good books on the Roman Republic, either from ancient sources or contemporary? I like political philosophy and Rome comes up a lot there in certain sources. From Machiavelli and Rousseau to thinkers in our time like Quentin Skinner an Phillip Pettit, the Republic is invoked a lot and I don't know poo poo about it.
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Sep 13, 2019 14:06
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NikkolasKing posted:What are good books on the Roman Republic, either from ancient sources or contemporary? Check out Mike Duncan's book "The Storm Before the Storm", or alternatively his podcast "The History of Rome" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34184069-the-storm-before-the-storm
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Kaal posted:Check out Mike Duncan's book "The Storm Before the Storm", or alternatively his podcast "The History of Rome" Awesome, his book is even on Audible. Thanks. What about Livy's History of Rome? Should mention I have Plutarch's Lives in its totality but I haven't listened to it yet.
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Sep 13, 2019 14:18
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I thought Livy was boring but Plutarch was fantastic (I didn't read them all, I just flip through and pick ones that look interesting).
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The thing with Livy is that he was a conservative yokel writing about the (long gone before he was even born) good old days, while also trying to keep the friendship of the emperor. He is also writing an explicitly moral history (a lot like Plutarch is writing explicitly moral biography), everything he mentions he wants you (good Roman that you are) to consider as an exemplar or a warning. He also didn’t know jack poo poo about how the military worked which kind of handicaps him on some topics. Worst of all he’s fragmentary and we don’t have any of his coverage of the late republic. But he’s a fun and interesting read. Once you’ve read him, you can read someone like Mommsen who grimly explodes all his mythicizing.
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Since Plutarch came up I wanted to mention, since it came up earlier that he called Herodotus the father of lies, that the context of that quote is that Plutarch is, for one, writing at a time when rhetoric is valued very highly, so that attacking someone as respected as Herodotus would give prestige and secondly, that his criticism had mostly to do with how Herodotus gave a fair treatment to non-Greeks like the Persians and attributed the Greeks' success in battle mostly to their superior equipment and tactics rather than being more manly and things like that. It was a time when the Greek world was part of the Roman empire and Greeks may have felt a need to assert their superiority. Herodotus' (relative) lack of cultural chauvinism was at odds with that. Oops, I thought I was in the C-Spam thread but whatever Grevling fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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Grevling posted:Since Plutarch came up I wanted to mention, since it came up earlier that he called Herodotus the father of lies, that the context of that quote is that Plutarch is, for one, writing at a time when rhetoric is valued very highly, so that attacking someone as respected as Herodotus would give prestige and secondly, that his criticism had mostly to do with how Herodotus gave a fair treatment to non-Greeks like the Persians and attributed the Greeks' success in battle mostly to their superior equipment and tactics rather than being more manly and things like that. It was a time when the Greek world was part of the Roman empire and Greeks may have felt a need to assert their superiority. Herodotus' (relative) lack of cultural chauvinism was at odds with that. huh i always wondered where that father of lies epithet came from. typical that Herodotus got it for some dumb nationalist bs rather than his stories of flying snakes or w/e
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Herodotus was also an Asiatic Greek not a Greek Greek. Plutarch’s big complaint about him is not just that he’s a liar, but that he misrepresents the people of Greece proper in general and Boeotians (Plutarch was one) specifically. Herodotus, as a descendent of colonials and a one-time subject of Persia, had a more circumspect view of Greek civilization, and plenty of Greeks before Plutarch frowned on him. Thucydides criticized him fairly sharply, though obliquely and not at such length.
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