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Data Graham posted:Maybe I'd put it as, a white person with a swastika tattoo is either a Nazi, or so screamingly oblivious to the concept of bad optics that if he isn't apologizing for it or hiding it or working on finding a way to change it at every step he doesn't really get a lot of sympathy for having people mistake him for a Nazi. I genuinely disagree with this. The Swastika is a large part of many religions that whites are of course free to practice, and you see a great deal of that overflow into the tattoo world. In my experience, those folx prefer yoga to curbstomps. You are describing a conservative mindset. You are allowing Hollywood to influence your thought process. You sound like you don't deal with this on a daily basis. Think about it like this. The overt and subconscious racism that me and mine deal with is a daily affair, from all kinds of whites without any racist markings. You seem to see it as swastika = racist, when as far as I can tell, it's white person = racist. So, honestly, those that have non-nazi swastikas that are willing to support a symbol that they get so much poo poo for defending, those people have my respect. Why? Because by picking something difficult to defend to other whites, they have a sliver of what it's like to live as a Native in the US. In more simple terms, your loving swastika tattoo isn't what will give it away to me if you are a racist, it'll be your racism. White folx don't give a gently caress about my people, so my people don't give a gently caress what white people think of our culture. Don't like it? Please leave already, we'd love our land back. Choom Gangster has a new favorite as of 19:58 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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While I agree most white people are racist to varying degrees, even "woke" white people, I also think if you're a white dude with a swastika on you, you're probably a nazi. I can hold these two expectations simultaneously. Edit: Nevertheless, Pewdiepie is completely dogwistling, I have no doubt in my mind considering the flack he's caught in the past few years. It's probably a smart (but evil) move on his part financially. Hell, the $50K isn't even his money as it turns out.
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Choom Gangster posted:I genuinely disagree with this. The Swastika is a large part of many religions that whites are of course free to practice, and you see a great deal of that overflow into the tattoo world. In my experience, those folx prefer yoga to curbstomps. Dude you realize that the sauwastika and the the nazi swastika are different symbols right? Also gently caress off.
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The problem is the Nazi swastika has a clear design. It's at an angle and has a distinctive appearance compared to actual religious swastikas (which often include dots in the empty spaces as well). If a white guy has a swastika tattoo, you should likely be able to immediately tell if it's a religious piece or if they're a Nazi. This is like the people trying to say PewDiePie was just wearing a "Malta Cross" when it's a completely different design that looks only superficially similar. I'm also pretty sure that religious swastika tattoos are vanishingly rare compared to Nazi ones. I've never seen a religious one in person but I've seen at least three people with Nazi ones (accompanied by many other Nazi tattoos).
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chitoryu12 posted:The problem is the Nazi swastika has a clear design. It's at an angle and has a distinctive appearance compared to actual religious swastikas (which often include dots in the empty spaces as well). If a white guy has a swastika tattoo, you should likely be able to immediately tell if it's a religious piece or if they're a Nazi. This is like the people trying to say PewDiePie was just wearing a "Malta Cross" when it's a completely different design that looks only superficially similar. This is true, although there's one at a similar angle on the Snoldelev Stone from around the 9th century but other than that I don't think I've seen them offset like the Nazi Hakenkreuz
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The swastika is kind of like having a bunch of confederate flags on your wall, or a meticulously maintained collection of pictures of your neighbors b-hole. Yeah okay sure there ARE conceivably innocuous reasons for having it up there but the chances of me running into a genuine example are so low that I'm just gonna err on the side of caution, doubly so if the person gets real hung up about it. If that means I'll miss out on some totally radical relationships with Buddhists, then that's my loss.
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There's probably even fewer innocuous reasons for having a Confederate flag.
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Nastyman posted:The swastika is kind of like having a bunch of confederate flags on your wall, or a meticulously maintained collection of pictures of your neighbors b-hole. Yeah okay sure there ARE conceivably innocuous reasons for having it up there but the chances of me running into a genuine example are so low that I'm just gonna err on the side of caution, doubly so if the person gets real hung up about it. If that means I'll miss out on some totally radical relationships with Buddhists, then that's my loss. I guess to me the difference is that with the confederate flag there's always an association with the confederacy. The relationship may be totally benign (a historian or something possibly) but the design is inextricably linked to that specific context, no other occurrence exists.
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Nastyman posted:The swastika is kind of like having a bunch of confederate flags on your wall, or a meticulously maintained collection of pictures of your neighbors b-hole. Yeah okay sure there ARE conceivably innocuous reasons for having it up there but the chances of me running into a genuine example are so low that I'm just gonna err on the side of caution, doubly so if the person gets real hung up about it. If that means I'll miss out on some totally radical relationships with Buddhists, then that's my loss. And to rephrase my thing, if his reasons ARE innocuous, he's going to bend waaaay over backwards to make it VERY clear that those are the reasons. He's not gonna be all like "Yeah ok I guess you could interpret my swastika collection as Nazi in nature, but that's on you you weirdo  "
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And if he's a Nazi, don't worry, he'll tell you.
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christmas boots posted:And if he's a Nazi, don't worry, he'll tell you. This.
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Stop defending swastika usage holy gently caress you're giving way too much credit to people who don't deserve it 99% of the time. Put it this way, if I myself were to go get a swastika tattoo for completely benign reasons, I would absolutely expect people to think it's a nazi thing and expect to have to explain why not constantly. In other words, I just wouldn't get the tattoo. Bevause it's 2019 and that's what it almost always means.
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Skwirl posted:There's probably even fewer innocuous reasons for having a Confederate flag. Captured in battle.
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chitoryu12 posted:Captured in battle. 
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chitoryu12 posted:Captured in battle. Yeah, I guess I would proudly hang a Confederate flag if my great great great grand pappy had torn it from the hands of a dead reb.
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This tattoo? Oh, no, it's a sauwastika, and my mustache is simply the toothbrush kind, popularized by Charlie Chaplin. Now if you excuse me, there is mein fuh--my father *greets with a Roman salute*.
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I'm sorry, are you saying that indigenous rights should be considered in calling white guys with swastikas Nazis? Yes those matter, even being the child of a man whose Native culture got beaten out of him but don't you see how incredibly tonedeaf you're being? Contemporary morals around the swastika come about because it was used by the one historical genocide we can convince people to care about consistently. You want to help out the tribes? Don't argue to protect nazis because natives have a minute amount of potential harm. That is a good thing for people to fear and have an automatic revulsion to, because it's the same band of fascists who are currently in power. You're selling the house to pay the library fees here.
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Ads put up in public count as social media right? https://twitter.com/JordanHaedtler/status/1171926612708868096?s=19
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Croatoan posted:While I agree most white people are racist to varying degrees, even "woke" white people, I also think if you're a white dude with a swastika on you, you're probably a nazi. I can hold these two expectations simultaneously. My current theory is that he never even planned to donate the money. It was just to stir up drama when the fash base of his did its thing. Now he's got loads of free media attention and that keeps the media empire going. Brand boosting through controversy is way too common to be anything else than cynical marketing.
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christmas boots posted:And if he's a Nazi, don't worry, he'll tell you. The thing is, even more than he hates minorities, PDP loving loves money and attention. If he goes full fash, he loses plausible deniability and all the subscribers and donors who are letting themselves believe his plausible denials. That's the point of dogwhistles: they let him keep that sweet, sweet sucker cash rolling in while letting the rest of the fash know he's really on their side. e: and of course this is generalizable: lots of fash want to show off just how fascist they are, but for many of them laughing at normies is part of the point, so they want to be able to say "no, this definitely isn't a symbol of hatred and oppression, you credulous idiots will believe anything!" and deliberately select their iconography to allow that. SneezeOfTheDecade has a new favorite as of 21:38 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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Skwirl posted:Ads put up in public count as social media right? I would love to see a list of everyone who signed off on this.
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How bad does he not think it looks though to his big sponsors to offer a big donation to an anti-hate charity ... and then rescind it? Because his fans demanded him to?? E: VV Yeah exactly Data Graham has a new favorite as of 21:43 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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Data Graham posted:How bad does he not think it looks though to his big sponsors to offer a big donation to an anti-hate charity ... and then rescind it? Because his fans demanded him to?? The hilarious part is there are legitimate reasons not to donate to ADL, but I don't think those were the reasons his fans were bitching at him, unless he starts dedicating all his future videos to solidarity with the Palestinian people or something.
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Sunswipe posted:https://twitter.com/MosherMoz/status/1172401743830740992 https://twitter.com/MosherMoz/status/1170636821048508416
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chitoryu12 posted:So Shane Gillis got hired for SNL and was immediately found to have been making a lot of awful racist rants for "comedy." so are white male comedians the new opressed gamers? https://twitter.com/SeanMcCarthyCom/status/1172270460102414343 https://twitter.com/Beaker_Speaks/status/1172342511119060992?s=20
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Excuse me young cartoon bears, would you like to get into the honey at the bottom of this pot? Can you prove that you're a part of antifa so you can argue that you're not stealing the ranger's pick-a-nic basket?? Facts.
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To be fair to that guy, when he was told it was a parody blog, he said “Thanks for letting me know” instead of doubling down.
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AlbieQuirky posted:To be fair to that guy, when he was told it was a parody blog, he said “Thanks for letting me know” instead of doubling down. Then someone a bit further on goes "but antifa would totally do this so it's only a matter of time before it becomes real". OP may have learned but there are hundreds more to rise and take their place.
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Choom Gangster posted:I genuinely disagree with this. The Swastika is a large part of many religions that whites are of course free to practice, and you see a great deal of that overflow into the tattoo world. In my experience, those folx prefer yoga to curbstomps. Well, gently caress, I apologize unreservedly. This is a way more complicated issue than I thought it was and I have some learning to do.
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AlbieQuirky posted:To be fair to that guy, when he was told it was a parody blog, he said “Thanks for letting me know” instead of doubling down. Don’t worry, a bigger idiot was happy to swoop in and take his place. https://twitter.com/dethkruzer/status/1170724592857571329?s=20
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That's just more of the standard "it doesn't matter if it's true, it sounds like it could be true, makes u think" chud bullshit.
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"I wouldn't be surprised if this happened because it's what my constant daily supply of propaganda tells me happens!" It's like all those lovely political cartoons that had Obama saying crazy bullshit he never even came close to saying and just passing it off as "well no it didn't happen, but you can totally imagine right?"
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Skwirl posted:Ads put up in public count as social media right? I feel like I'm missing some cultural context for this one. Is it a thing about segregated public transport? Skwirl posted:The hilarious part is there are legitimate reasons not to donate to ADL, but I don't think those were the reasons his fans were bitching at him, unless he starts dedicating all his future videos to solidarity with the Palestinian people or something. Not to derail us into D&D, but someone mentioned this earlier and I looked up the ADL and in general they look pretty okay? Not hyper-conservative, not hyper-zionist, support some progressive/liberal causes, only outright bad thing I could find was them not fully recognizing the Armenian genocide. Did I just manage to walk past all the really bad poo poo?
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PurpleXVI posted:I feel like I'm missing some cultural context for this one. Is it a thing about segregated public transport? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining
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Holy poo poo I just assumed it was a period sex joke.
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PurpleXVI posted:I feel like I'm missing some cultural context for this one. Is it a thing about segregated public transport? Redlining has been covered, but the ADL has a tendency to attack anyone critical of Israel's treatment of Palestinians as anti-semitism (specifically going after Ilhan Omar after she had some basic criticism of politicians taking donations from pro Israel Lobbyists).
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Bertrand Hustle posted:Well, gently caress, I apologize unreservedly. This is a way more complicated issue than I thought it was and I have some learning to do. It’s really not that complicated, the amount of white people who just genuinely want to practice some eastern religion are generally a very very small minority
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Skwirl posted:Redlining has been covered, but the ADL has a tendency to attack anyone critical of Israel's treatment of Palestinians as anti-semitism (specifically going after Ilhan Omar after she had some basic criticism of politicians taking donations from pro Israel Lobbyists). Agreed but that is 100% not why PewDiePie decided not to donate. It's just his plausible deniability that the fascists this is so loving hilarious.
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