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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1172610416150810624 Her campaign failure is my favorite thing about this hellscape of a primary. Inject the “beehive” tears straight into my veins.
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Warren has a stump in healthcare, there’s at least two videos of her giving this stump, and it goes like this: “the ACA is a product of the Heritage Foundation and and Mitt Romney and it got a ton of amendments and for all that reaching out Republicans gave it no support.” It always concludes with “everything should be on the table.” It’s disappointing in that it doesn’t aspire to dream very high, but it seems appropriate because healthcare policy is a very Congress thing. Nobody with any level of enthusiasm about single payer will likely be able to keep the party together in Congress. This is the part of governing where goons always post that picture of LBJ looming over a guy and whine about how the executive only gets to act like an emperor when they’re a Republican. And that’s not a shock because conservatives like strongmen and like hierarchies.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I know bernie is going to win because look at this smooth rear end loving handshake https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kYCRMS4_pA
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GlyphGryph posted:I suspect both will be introduced at the same time. The mental health bill is likely to spend far less time in committee, to see far fewer amendments, far more likely to be passed back to the original house that introduced it unchanged, and will almost certainly proceed more quickly through any revision review process. Kind of weird that the candidate with all the smart plans is making goons guess and suspect what her plans actually are, no? Unless her plan for healthcare is to crowdsource a plan for that
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Sep 13, 2019 22:16
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I was under the impression she has explicitly said she supports Bernie's plan?
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Sep 13, 2019 22:20
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Hellblazer187 posted:The Castro pile-on is so loving transparent and stupid (and will totally work). "Did you forget what you said two minutes ago?" is not an explicitly age related attack, it's only being read as such because everyone knows that Biden's brain is pudding. If anyone else contradicted themselves, he could use that line and it would just be like, catching someone in a shifting position. Ya it’s amazing that the supposed ageism dogwhistle can be heard so clearly but the white supremacy bullhorns going off as Biden talked about how lovely black families are at raising their own didn’t grab much attention.
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Warren: I support Bernie’s plan. Rando: Is Bernie’s plan the one you’ll try and pass? Warren: See healthcare is about our values...
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Sep 13, 2019 22:25
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Here's a fairly level-headed take on Warren's healthcare position.
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That article basically directly reflects my own opinion. It feels like she's using language intended to give herself plausible deniability. If her real position were to push Sanders' MfA bill as her healthcare plan, I would expect for her (and her website) to directly speak about and emphasize details from the bill itself. As is, even the most generous interpretation of her words/actions is one that leaves me thinking "why should I take the risk when I'm 100% confident that this other candidate will make a genuine effort at passing it (or at least pushing forward the time-table on doing so)?"
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Sep 13, 2019 22:52
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I'm sure Warren personally believes in M4A (I'm not but work with me) but why the gently caress do I care what she personally believes? She's running a campaign and it is complete radio silence on the subject from her campaign. It's not that she's overlooking it or doesn't understand it, she just doesn't support it. Stop looking for signs that she might actually be a sleeper agent for the left She is Elizabeth Warren, capitalist to the bone.
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Ytlaya posted:That article basically directly reflects my own opinion. It feels like she's using language intended to give herself plausible deniability. If her real position were to push Sanders' MfA bill as her healthcare plan, I would expect for her (and her website) to directly speak about and emphasize details from the bill itself. Oh, I figured it out. Warren supporters are the audiophile types who will insist that a 7th generation copy of a copy of a copy audio cassette tape offers the best quality for audio. Why bother with the genuine article?
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Phone posted:Oh, I figured it out. Warren supporters buy the gold plated monster cables is what i'm hearing.
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Which means Biden drops to number 2 ahead of Warren storming to 3rd place.
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gohmak posted:Which means Biden drops to number 2 ahead of Warren storming to 3rd place. Take a look at who they polled, it’s actually hilarious.
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GlyphGryph posted:I was under the impression she has explicitly said she supports Bernie's plan? She says a lot of things, some of which contradict other things she says, and she's never explicitly resolved that, which is why your posts are full of "hm I guess" "well maybe she" "well I think" "hmm I suppose", none of which you would need to say if her position were as explicit and clear as you insist. E: the Jacobin article fool_of_sound posted does a good job pointing out the vague and mixed messaging her campaign has been sending out VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Sep 13, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1172534621101285377?s=19 At this point I genuinely believe the corporate media is doing everything they can to make Biden the Dem candidate so that Trump can essily beat him and guarantee 4 more years of record profits for news stations/papers.
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Hellblazer187 posted:The Castro pile-on is so loving transparent and stupid (and will totally work). "Did you forget what you said two minutes ago?" is not an explicitly age related attack, it's only being read as such because everyone knows that Biden's brain is pudding. If anyone else contradicted themselves, he could use that line and it would just be like, catching someone in a shifting position. They have "Biden is old" so embedded in the back of their minds, they projected onto Castro. They did the same thing with Ilhan Omar when she said that Lindsay Graham was "compromised". "Oh, you think they have something about his sexuality?" Never said it, but it was in the back of their mind when she said it. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/17/18187084/ilhan-omar-lindsey-graham-compromised
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It almost makes me like Castro. Is he a sucky centrist type though?
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https://twitter.com/JacobRForster/status/1172374666658213888?s=19 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...y-pool-in-1962/ 
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Hellblazer187 posted:It almost makes me like Castro. Is he a sucky centrist type though? Pretty much, yeah. He's shifty on M4A, and his record as HUD secretary was terrible.
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Hellblazer187 posted:It almost makes me like Castro. Is he a sucky centrist type though? Castro has never had a meaningful political character. He'll happily get on board with whatever.
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/JacobRForster/status/1172374666658213888?s=19 So Biden's life inspired SE Hinton?
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Sep 14, 2019 00:31
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I think on a list of all the possible reasons for Warren hedging on Healthcare, a rabid ideological devotion to capitalism ranks pretty low.
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Sep 14, 2019 00:41
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Yeah, figured as much. Still, I have to take his side on this one. It's some bullshit.
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/JacobRForster/status/1172374666658213888?s=19  No loving way
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M4A means there’s a government health policy that accepts anyone. “But what about...” Anyone. Isn’t hard.
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/AsteadWesley/status/1172534621101285377?s=19 No, they want Biden because they both know that he won't actually change anything of substance and are dumb loving idiots who think he's the best shot at beating Donny. A doddering fool who spends their days eating applesauce in the White House dinning room is super fine. Donny's biggest issue is that he's being a real in your face rear end in a top hat while eating that applesauce.
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https://twitter.com/CaraKorte/status/1172646489186635776
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God that got hard to watch at the end, real awful.
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Office Pig posted:God that got hard to watch at the end, real awful. makes me wanna throw everyone against universal healthcare into the deepest darkest pit.
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This is news to ya'll? Of loving course disabled people will kill ourselves when thrown to the wolves. Of course we already die from lack of healthcare. Of course we're already exposed to the innumerable barbarities of private healthcare. If people gave half a poo poo about those with disabilities or chronic illness, every loving executive and lobbyist who keeps this loving death machine in motion would be in the Hague. My health has gotten worse recently and its been difficult to adapt. I need to attend uni right now because I can only afford college with my scholarship, which I have to use up within the next two years. Our lovely public transportation makes it hard to get on/off campus. If I want to drive there I need a parking pass (which costs money). If I dont want to pay, well gotta go to the DMV with a doctor's rec! Not even mentioning the absurd cost of my medicines. This is the tip of the iceberg. Were I not from a middle class background, I would 100% be dead. I have a friend in a very similar situation. If you vote for someone not staunchly for M4A, your apathy is pure evil. Take your means-testing and shove it up your rear end.
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fool_of_sound posted:I think on a list of all the possible reasons for Warren hedging on Healthcare, a rabid ideological devotion to capitalism ranks pretty low. Yeah crazy to consider that someone who is proud to be "a capitalist to my bones" might have some kind of ideological commitment to capitalism. That's out there man.
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fool_of_sound posted:Castro has never had a meaningful political character. He'll happily get on board with whatever. yea Castro's short amount of time has actually been fairly unremarkable. Nothing great but also nothing that bad per say. He has some good things like decriminalizing border crossing and all, I don't love him but I see him as someone we could likely push into being not terrible just because his family are such power hungry ghouls they'll do whatever.
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah crazy to consider that someone who is proud to be "a capitalist to my bones" might have some kind of ideological commitment to capitalism. That's out there man. Yeah she has an ideological commitment but it's not her first and foremost principal, or else she wouldn't be a social democrat.
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Sep 14, 2019 01:37
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Castro's willingness to call out Obama's immigration policy makes him more courageous and more principled than most non-Bernie candidates.
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joepinetree posted:Castro's willingness to call out Obama's immigration policy makes him more courageous and more principled than most non-Bernie candidates. yea at the very least, as bloodless as he can be on other things, he seems to actually want serious immigration reform and has no issue calling out all bad actors out.
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fool_of_sound posted:Yeah she has an ideological commitment but it's not her first and foremost principal, or else she wouldn't be a social democrat. To her bones is pretty first and foremost. She can't stop calling herself a capitalist and has probably never called herself a social democrat.
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nearly killed em! posted:To her bones is pretty first and foremost. She can't stop calling herself a capitalist and has probably never called herself a social democrat. Yeah I'm fairly sure she would correct anyone who actually called her that
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fool_of_sound posted:Yeah she has an ideological commitment but it's not her first and foremost principal, or else she wouldn't be a social democrat. Social democracy is Warren's method of saving capitalism from itself.
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