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"We treat men just as badly lol" is the rallying call of institutional sexism the world around. You can count the number of female leaders of major political parties in the UK in history on one hand, it's not good enough for supposed leftists to pretend sexism doesn't exist any more. When you slam Jo Swinson for her appearance rather than her policy platform, you're making GBS threads on every woman who reads the thread because you're making it extremely clear that your commitment to feminism extends only so far as as women who are useful to you. And maybe consider that the gender balance in the UKMT is probably worse than the gender balance among MPs.
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coffeetable posted:case in point, your comparators for criticising swinson's appearance are stewart and gapes who are objectively way worse than she is "objectively"? like are you seriously suggesting attractiveness is objective?
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also holy loly @ the idea of this thread full of dayposting goons having a leg to stand on when it comes to appearance
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It's a general problem with politicians in that most of them are utterly uninspired with their lovely politics so you're left with basically nothing to criticise, because oh, look, godawful politician wants to do racism and paup grinding, just as literally all of them have for the last forever. So you're left with "oh look they're doing a silly face" or in the case of that tory from a while ago "oh look his actual face is rotting off in real time cos he's literally a lich made of racism"
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I don't see the point of taking the piss out of Swinson's appearance when every loving thing out of her mouth is more ridiculous (and far, far uglier) than the entire Tory party naked in a hall of mirrors.
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Julio Cruz posted:criticising her policies is good but too often the first thing people go to is making a jab at her appearance However I think it's fair game if the person in question is a poo poo also, and it's not only their appearance. Liz Truss has the air of a 5 year old proudly showing off a full potty in the pork markets video, but that's fair satire when the thing she is showing off so proudly is thinly veiled idiocy. I think also in the case of the yellow tories vs socialists, mocking them is definitely punching up.
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Julio Cruz posted:"objectively"? like are you seriously suggesting attractiveness is objective? does society have objective standards for appearance and are perceived failings against those standards what ppl itt keep attacking? yeah
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Oh I get that, I used to have a housemate who used to say he didn't like certain female comedians because they "weren't even attractive." mocking someone's attitude or demeanour is a bit different than saying, for example, "lol she's got bad teeth" or "she looks like a witch"
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itd be easier if all our politicians werent desperatly ugly inside and out i guess i kinda see the point because swinson really just looks like a normal person and still goons are piling on as if she's a gove-level freak but otoh PC nanny state gone mad, leftist scold culture telling me i cant laugh at the people ruining all our lives
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coffeetable posted:did i say attractiveness you're gonna have to work some to prove that Stewart and Gapes are "objectively" worse than Swinson like I know you're a quant but not everything in life can be reduced to "this number bigger"
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Sep 15, 2019 12:04
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Don't insult anyone based on their appearance, problem solved.
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coffeetable posted:it might be recall bias but ive felt for a while that women in politics get a harder time from this thread than men. certainly over appearance, but more generally too I think we ended the discussion on a stalemate because I did bring up her record vs. corbyn and in favour of rees-mogg, but afterwards I didn't feel comfortable about the fact that I led with her being annoying and talking about herself, especially in context of women generally being criticised for being too pushy in a political arena where Bercow gave his staff PTSD and ended his career a hero. Using the first person is annoying from an academic perspective because it's something you're trained not to do, so I do wonder if that's why it stands out so much in her case. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 12:14 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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^^^ Jess Phillips is a tough one because she absolutely deserves the poo poo she gets but hides herself behind a veil of selective bare minimum feminism and pulls the "I'm just a stupid woman" card every chance she gets. She's part of the problem and she's complicit in being so, e.g. the treatment of Diane Abbott.HJB posted:Don't insult anyone based on their appearance, problem solved. This. We're genetically programmed to make snap judgements based on people's appearance, but not to witter on about said judgements loudly, long after supposed reasoning should have kicked in. Problem with politics is there's so much confirmation bias on this front though. It didn't take much artistic license for spitting image to make Thatcher look like a helldemon. NinpoEspiritoSanto fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I don't get the block on criticising her appearance, we do it for literally every male politician on here, for example Rory 'horse in a oval office suit' Stewart and Mike 'everything about him' Gapes. We shouldn't be doing it for men either and it disappoints me that we do
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joanna cherry having a normal one and threatening someone with legal action for calling her transphobic https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1173163607254806528 tbf I didn't see the original tweet myself but from others on twitter this seems to be it https://twitter.com/clapifyoulikeme/status/1173193438596083712
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Hentai Jihadist posted:drat and now we cant even call bojo ugly anymore due to some sort of personal decorum Fortunately, the same adjective works for his politics.
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Hentai Jihadist posted:drat and now we cant even call bojo ugly anymore due to some sort of personal decorum Sorry, is it a violation of your free speech?
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And by focusing on appearance we're losing out on a lot of talented, passionate people who will never run for public office because they're not conventionally attractive, or they're trans and don't pass, and the ordeal of going through that torturous public gaze is too much for them
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Rarity posted:Sorry, is it a violation of your free speech? technically im not sure we even have proper free speech in the UK? but i dont see the point in forbidding yourself to call the ruling class names, i suppose if the worry is it will hurt their feelings, then good, taking that away would be taking away one of the only ways we can hurt them if the worry is it will lead to some sort of overall moral decay i dont buy that really
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coffeetable posted:it might be recall bias but ive felt for a while that women in politics get a harder time from this thread than men. certainly over appearance, but more generally too I’m gonna go out on a limb and say her voting record, worse than Gove and Hunts, is probably worse than either of Gapes or Stewart. I personally don’t feel like there’s an issue in ridiculing appearance of utter bastard politicians because it’s 100% punching upwards. These people are responsible for over 120,000 dead poor and disabled people. I will add the caveat that when it’s a female politician, whatever is said shouldn’t involve sexually objectifying them, because that does normalise a different problem which should be combatted.
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https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1173150989580406784 e; Re: appearance - I find it distasteful to mock someone for their physical appearance, though gammon complexions tend to be brought on by fiery bloodlust so I have less issue there, but in cases like Mogg, where the primary issue is how he dresses, something entirely under his own control, go for it mehall fucked around with this message at 12:33 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Hentai Jihadist posted:technically im not sure we even have proper free speech in the UK? I'm totally fine with calling BoJo a raging oval office, decorum isn't the issue here. It's that by focusing on appearance (for either men and women) it perpetuates society's fascination with particular body images, and for the many people that don't fit that image of conventional attractiveness it fucks them up. We're talking depression, we're talking anxiety, we're talking self-harm, we're talking eating disorders and even suicide. You might think that calling Rory Stewart ugly doesn't matter but if there are other goons in this thread who look a bit like Rory they're going to see that and they're going to internalise it. For people who claim to be leftists, this is a huge blind spot for this thread. Sanitary Naptime posted:I’m gonna go out on a limb and say her voting record, worse than Gove and Hunts, is probably worse than either of Gapes or Stewart. Please see my above comment where I point out insulting appearance of politicians doesn't just insult those politicians.
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Rarity posted:I'm totally fine with calling BoJo a raging oval office, decorum isn't the issue here. It's that by focusing on appearance (for either men and women) it perpetuates society's fascination with particular body images, and for the many people that don't fit that image of conventional attractiveness it fucks them up. We're talking depression, we're talking anxiety, we're talking self-harm, we're talking eating disorders and even suicide. You might think that calling Rory Stewart ugly doesn't matter but if there are other goons in this thread who look a bit like Rory they're going to see that and they're going to internalise it. For people who claim to be leftists, this is a huge blind spot for this thread. Hmm yeah, alright, you’ve gave me something to think about with that I hadn’t really considered, cheers.
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e: ^^^ ee: Dammit, Rarity's post As someone whose first instinct is to volley insults at Johnson/May etc with inclusions of digs at their appearance, this is all absolutely correct. That's amazing, though not sure how good a vote winner it is for the marginals with words like heroin and cocaine in the mix.
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Am I allowed to say that Boris has stupid looking hair? He chose to style his hair that way to look the part of a clown more. Also, Tory power poses: allowed to ridicule it? Hopefully I'm allowed to ridicule the silly intentional aesthetic choices of those who are literally murdering thousands with their policies?
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Gets me every time What a mouth, what a mouth, what a north and south, blimey what a mouth ‘e’s got
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mehall posted:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1173150989580406784 Far & away overdue but I'll take it. Let me drop acid bought down my local chemist. Also helpful because my mam is getting up there now and keeps talking about rather dying peacefully thanks to opiates rather than a long, slow decline like her dad who by the end couldn't wipe his own arse. Nipping to the shops for some heroin would be preferable to having to find a dodgy dealer, I just don't have the connections. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:44 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Pochoclo posted:Am I allowed to say that Boris has stupid looking hair? He chose to style his hair that way to look the part of a clown more. Also, Tory power poses: allowed to ridicule it? That’s different from their actual physical appearance which they can’t change so I don’t see why not? Like the Tory power stance is an incredibly dumb thing they all chose to do, and the dumb hair poo poo that Boris does is absolutely part of a crafter character so those seem legit things to laugh at and ridicule?
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Ms Fuchi posted:And by focusing on appearance we're losing out on a lot of talented, passionate people who will never run for public office because they're not conventionally attractive, or they're trans and don't pass, and the ordeal of going through that torturous public gaze is too much for them (E: However rarity made a very good point and i'm going to think on it. I have definitely internalised autism abuse, which is why I have been reluctant to join the discord let alone go on the podcast, so it was so refreshing to hear Fargle on the podcast.) Part of me thinks if we want to get elected we need to put up nice presentable PM candidates but put MPs like Corbyn and McDonnell behind the scenes making policy. And then I get angry at myself for thinking like that. But also it's realist because your average voter is judgemental as gently caress and unless you have Boris' PR engine turning it into a 'loveable' joke people are going to rip you and your party to shreds come election time. Which plays right into the hands of sensible centrist melts wanting to pull Labour back to blairite territory.. I hate British Politics. I'm going to go walk the dog and have a Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 12:45 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Rarity posted:I'm totally fine with calling BoJo a raging oval office, decorum isn't the issue here. It's that by focusing on appearance (for either men and women) it perpetuates society's fascination with particular body images, and for the many people that don't fit that image of conventional attractiveness it fucks them up. We're talking depression, we're talking anxiety, we're talking self-harm, we're talking eating disorders and even suicide. You might think that calling Rory Stewart ugly doesn't matter but if there are other goons in this thread who look a bit like Rory they're going to see that and they're going to internalise it. For people who claim to be leftists, this is a huge blind spot for this thread. im not 100% convinced by this or that an integral part of leftism is protecting people who look like rory stewart from seeing insults directed at rory stewart like i've got hosed up teeth that im self conscious of but it doesnt bother me when people point swinsons chompers out, because we're all laughing at some politician we hate, its not about her teeth at all. but my life isnt everyone elses so i accept everyones experience isnt the same as mine. itd probably be rude to ask if there are any very ugly posters itt who are offended by critiques of bojo or rorys looks
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I honestly don't know if I can suppress the visceral, skin crawling revulsion I feel when I look at the tory benches and just see this mass of festering, decrepit flesh. Because it's just so intertwined with everything I hate about their politics, they're these ancient old fossils that just linger on and spend their time shuffling around westminster working slowly to ruin the lives of everyone else, they all look like they've been pickled in cognac and formaldehyde and they're all loving nonces to boot. And the only reason they're there is institutional, they have no energy, no actual fire, they fell face first into their positions and just put in the least amount of effort required to gently caress everyone else over, and they sit and jeer like loving children because they are children, big old children who have never had an original or independent thought in their lives extended only by dint of institutional privilege. They look like their politics, I can't break that connection in my head. They look like everything you hate about what they do. I dunno, it's probably not fair but I don't know how to stop feeling like that. I try to focus on affectations rather than things people can't help but I would be utterly lying if I didn't see what tories look like as a product of the things I hate about them.
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First they came for the bankers and billionaires, but I did not speak up because I was not a banker or billionaire Then everything was pretty great after that actually
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Pochoclo posted:First they came for the bankers and billionaires, but I did not speak up because I was not a banker or billionaire First they came for the bankers and I did not speak out because I am not a banker. Then they came for the kulaks and I did not speak out because I am not a kulak. Then they came for the Trots and I laughed so much a bit of pee leaked out.
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Oh poo poo is this why every time I walk into the room my friends stop making fun of bojos disgusting face and apologise to me...?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I absolutely hate that it works like that, but the public's opinions aren't going to be changed by infighting on a leftist thread that is only intermittently viewable by the public anyway. sure we're not going to change anyone's minds, but it's a good habit to maintain nonetheless
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