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Bombadilillo posted:I do it as ethically as possible. does that mean that you make a profit, or not?
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yeah if there's profit you're a piece of poo poo, even I knew that when I asked the original question
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100 HOGS AGREE posted:where is the line between having a roommate in the house you own and becoming a landlord there isnt one. the only situation in which this is moral is you're the guy on the lease and you have a roommate, because at least out here the roommate has all the same protections as the primary tenant
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Sep 15, 2019 16:50
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Subjunctive posted:I have a condo that I rented to friends at a loss, and as of next month will be renting to a resettling refugee at a greater loss, and I doubt I’m the only person to do so. I’ve never made a profit on it, and likely never will. you don’t instantly become evil as soon as the ink dries on a second property’s title, I was pleased to discover. You're running a charitable enterprise that intentionally doesn't make money. This has no relevance at all to a normal discussion of landlords/rents you idiot. e: I mean good on you for doing it, but you came off as pulling some #NotAllLandlords thing and it stank.
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Sep 15, 2019 16:50
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also yeah that's just bad political understanding my dude. land operated for profit is unethical. your private property you are attempting to use charitably is completely different, up until its generating a profit
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Sep 15, 2019 16:52
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Chomp8645 posted:You're running a charitable enterprise that intentionally doesn't make money. This has no relevance at all to a normal discussion of landlords/rents you idiot. Nah, it was worth untangling because in this wonderful world of broke brain capitalists you often see the claim that a landlord is "good" (ethical) because they're only charging their renters the cost of the mortgage (lol)
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Sep 15, 2019 16:53
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Chomp8645 posted:You're running a charitable enterprise that intentionally doesn't make money. This has no relevance at all to a normal discussion of landlords/rents you idiot. I responded specifically to “never”, and never claimed that it was the norm. it has been fun talking to other landlords about why they do choose to profit off of scarcity of housing, though, especially after a couple of drinks. if I can do it, others can do it, or at least break even (and “only” have a possibly-appreciating asset, as mentioned above). “I own this property so I have to charge market rent” is bullshit that’s too easily accepted, and I enjoy the chance to tilt at it.
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Subjunctive posted:does that mean that you make a profit, or not? Not month to month. But I dont know if I will retire there or sell eventually. There will be profit then.
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Sep 15, 2019 16:56
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The only thing more unethical than being a landlord is giving your money to a landlord
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Sep 15, 2019 16:58
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Mechafunkzilla posted:The only thing more unethical than being a landlord is giving your money to a landlord 
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Sep 15, 2019 16:59
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Bombadilillo posted:Not month to month. But I dont know if I will retire there or sell eventually. There will be profit then. and you aren’t counting the mortgage as a  cost to offset with rent, right? glad to hear it 
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Sep 15, 2019 16:59
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Subjunctive posted:and you aren’t counting the mortgage as a Rent prices here are insanely higher than mortgage. For example my house equivalents rent for 2400. My mortgage is 1500 and so is the rent. Judge my ethics goons.
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Sep 15, 2019 17:04
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Bombadilillo posted:Rent prices here are insanely higher than mortgage. For example my house equivalents rent for 2400. My mortgage is 1500 and so is the rent. So you're stealing 1500 dollars a month from someone and pretending you're giving 900 dollars a month to charity?
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500 good dogs posted:So you're stealing 1500 dollars a month from someone and pretending you're giving 900 dollars a month to charity? Lol. Should just up it to market value. Unethical already so gently caress it. Bombadilillo has issued a correction as of 17:12 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Sep 15, 2019 17:07
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it’s nice of you to let someone else buy you a property rather than be homeless, I suppose
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Bombadilillo posted:Lol. the point is that you should not have more than 1 residence, dude. nobody should.
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Sep 15, 2019 18:05
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itt a bunch of goons spin themselves in circles trying to determine whether there is ethical consumption under capitalism (no)
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Sep 15, 2019 18:13
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landlords can ethically suck my dick into their mouths
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Feral Integral posted:landlords can ethically suck my dick into their mouths Have we finally found the only ethical consumption under capitalism?
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Sep 15, 2019 18:29
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The only ethical thing to do would be to turn your house into a commune/flop house and pack as many people as you can into it so the shared equal and even bills everyone pays drop to under a hundred dollars. Also run a soup kitchen out of your garage.
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Sep 15, 2019 18:30
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PhilippAchtel posted:Please now discuss the idea that all rent is unethical with regard to the concept of owner-occupancy and imputed rent. No one has engaged with my prompt, so I wanted to expand on this. If you say extracting rent is exploitative - which I would agree with - you should also consider that ownership of a residence yields a dividend you extract in the form of virtual profit when you choose to live in it (or lend it to your family or friends). We all require shelter, and our economic system demands we pay money for it. Under a system where you have to engage in the wage labour system to satisfy your need for shelter, but instead own a home, you get to pot out of that particular portion of the economy. Just because you don't exploit an individual by demanding rent doesn't mean you don't enjoy the privilege of ownership under a system of private property. You might object that a home is "personal" not "private" property, but in so far as it negates your need to engage in the wage system it pays you a profit you extract divided amongst everyone else who doesn't own their means of shelter. In this sense, a privately-owned home represents a form of means of production that produces profit in the form of shelter whose use value is greater than the resources required to maintain it. In other words: crazy cloud posted:itt a bunch of goons spin themselves in circles trying to determine whether there is ethical consumption under capitalism (no)
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lol @ guy patting himself on the back for personally subsidizing his equity accrual. Acting like by contributing to his own investment he's selling it for what he owes on it or something. Self-brainwashed altruistic capital.
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Sep 15, 2019 18:49
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"But I'm one of the good ones! I could be charging so much more for rent!"
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Sep 15, 2019 18:52
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Renting a second property makes you petit bourgeois, posting about it here is just inviting confusion with the actual bourgeois and seems low-key antagonistic, but I don't own property so what do I know
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https://twitter.com/TheGr8Aspie/status/1173298823034232834
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Yes, we all know that we live in a society and there's no ethical consumption etc etc but that doesn't allow you to wallow in the most naked exploitative greed that capitalism can give you. Case in point:Bombadilillo posted:Rent prices here are insanely higher than mortgage. For example my house equivalents rent for 2400. My mortgage is 1500 and so is the rent. Congrats on being a parasite 
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Sep 15, 2019 19:19
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PhilippAchtel posted:You might object that a home is "personal" not "private" property, but in so far as it negates your need to engage in the wage system it pays you a profit you extract divided amongst everyone else who doesn't own their means of shelter. In this sense, a privately-owned home represents a form of means of production that produces profit in the form of shelter whose use value is greater than the resources required to maintain it. it’s not unheard-of for income to be imputed in determining spousal or child support when one party owns their home and the other doesn’t, so this framing isn’t totally foreign to law
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Asimov posted:I imagine at some point spending your time cooking starts to seem inefficient from a cost/benefit perspective. If you make hundreds of dollars an hour, why spend 1 hour of your time to try and save a few bucks by poaching chicken and cleaning the kitchen when you can get Whole Foods hot bar, or delivery or something. Especially if your cooking skills aren't good to begin with, and you value your 1 additional hour of leisure time more than you'd save making a meal. I suppose you might as well hire a servant to cook and clean for you at that point, I'm sure there's room in the budget somewhere for, uh, misc. services? I agree who has time to cook when you spend hours every week at old navy? Although it is suspect that there aren't lines for housekeeping or lawn care in that budget. No loving way in hell that people who refuse to do their own cooking are mowing their lawn or scrubbing their own toilets.
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Rarity posted:Yes, we all know that we live in a society and there's no ethical consumption etc etc but that doesn't allow you to wallow in the most naked exploitative greed that capitalism can give you. Yeah, I'd agree with this. It's not like Sonic the Hedgehog's gives you license to go full boug, but I think it helps people remember that the problem ultimately is systemic, not with one "parasite" landlord or another.
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Subjunctive posted:I responded specifically to “never”, and never claimed that it was the norm. it has been fun talking to other landlords about why they do choose to profit off of scarcity of housing, though, especially after a couple of drinks. if I can do it, others can do it, or at least break even (and “only” have a possibly-appreciating asset, as mentioned above). “I own this property so I have to charge market rent” is bullshit that’s too easily accepted, and I enjoy the chance to tilt at it. Must be fun to hear them whine about the rent control prop in CA, no?
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spankmeister posted:Must be fun to hear them whine about the rent control prop in CA, no? I don’t live there any more, but I imagine so, yes. we already have (some) rent control here, so it’s baked in to the Landlord’s Burden.
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:If there weren't pensions, those employees would have been paid more while they were working. This got lost in the Mao chat, but [citation needed]
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T-man posted:This got lost in the Mao chat, but [citation needed] The origin of the pensions is in compensation negotiations between labor and management. You demand X, but what if we paid you Y + an annual Z later? A pension is agreed compensation, by both parties. Removing a pension is a reduction in compensation. The alternate to the pension was more up front pay. We're talking about the past, of course. Removing pension and benefits are of course thinly veiled pay cuts taking advantage of weakened labor.
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Sep 15, 2019 22:01
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lol what compels these villains to come here and justify their crimes?
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Continuity RCP posted:lol what compels these villains to come here and justify their crimes? capitalism has broken their brains so bad that they think they're good people
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Sep 15, 2019 22:54
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Nobody is a good person in this system unless you're like, a developing nation poor person in which case why did you spend your life savings on an account and also I'm sorry for being a bad person
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Sep 15, 2019 23:17
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:the point is that you should not have more than 1 residence, dude. nobody should. I think there are reasons why you might need more, like having a condo close to your job to avoid a commute, or having a small lakehouse for instance
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or maybe just one apartment complex for the passive income
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T-man posted:Nobody is a good person in this system unless you're like, a developing nation poor person in which case why did you spend your life savings on an account and also I'm sorry for being a bad person white t-man's burden
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we're all evil motherfuckers for living in america, the maoist third worldists were right
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