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Relevant Tangent posted:Cawl will be fun because he could lose and get killed and just come back via backups. He's as close to the Omnisiah as the Mechanicus is likely to get. Unless there's a Dark Mechanicus counterpart. I forget the name of the book I was reading, but I think there was one. Rather than a backup this one would basically infect others, including servitors and take over their bodies.
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D-Pad posted:Plague War was not good, but I really appreciate the way they have advanced the lore. I am really loving hyped about the Valdor and Cawl books coming out soon. Agreed on the base they've set, I think there's a bunch of poo poo I'd be interested in to come out of the setup. Primarchs turning, Primaris v. regular Astartes civil war, Robbie v. Ecclesiarchy, etc. quote:10 Lord Inquisitors would get their asses kicked by Typhus. You'd need at least a chapter master level astartes to stand a chance and it would be a slim one. Well, they had a chapter master fight Typhon, along with said company of Grey Knights, and he eventually withdrew after killing the chapter master of the Novamarines, but my criticism was more aimed at the writing. Outside of a couple of Primaris Marines apparently eyeballing the Grey Knights through a bulkhead window, the chapter master dying and another Grey Knight subbing in, there was absolutely nothing detailing the remainder of the fight. I get that the author wanted to build suspense over the uncertainty of Galatan's ownership when it arrived to decide the planetside battle, but jesus, give us something.
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Vadoc posted:I forget the name of the book I was reading, but I think there was one. Rather than a backup this one would basically infect others, including servitors and take over their bodies. Was if one of the Grey Knight novels? I recall they had an adeptus mechanicus member "survive" the forgeworld falling to Chaos by downloading himself into a servitor body and mounting a guerilla campaign against the Invaders.
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As I was doing some research for my current painting project I discovered that the Inquisition apparently purged Fenris of most its native population after Magnus invasion because they managed to see him. I can only imagine them doing it with the smuggest grins on their faces.
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Why does the inquisition care at this point? Isn't the big secret that daemons actually exist out at this point what with the whole Gates of Hell opening up and rending the Galaxy in twain?
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The Cawl book just got announced for next week! Pumped.
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Galvanik posted:Why does the inquisition care at this point? Isn't the big secret that daemons actually exist out at this point what with the whole Gates of Hell opening up and rending the Galaxy in twain? I believe the new fluff is that they have in fact given up on the previous elimination/mindwipe strategies because of the afore-mentioned 'Galaxy being on fire' thing.
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Galvanik posted:Why does the inquisition care at this point? Isn't the big secret that daemons actually exist out at this point what with the whole Gates of Hell opening up and rending the Galaxy in twain? The emperor's gift I kinda goes into this way before the dark imperium stuff with the drat breaking and their being just too much to cover up.
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How often does the fluff call back to/acknowledge our present-day "real world" or its history? Like I know the Golden Throne is in antarctica or something, and aren't the High Lords of Terra located in the UK where the Games Workshop HQ is located? I'm picturing stuff like the Voyager 2 probe sitting in Trazyn the Infinite's collection.
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There's a scene in the Bequin book where she finds a scrap of metal for sale, and it has CCCP written on it. The shopkeeper says nobody knows where/when it's from. There are often references to old poetry in Abnett's stuff -- the "three" plays of "Shakespire" or whatever, the idea of "beauty is truth" being from some unknown fragment.
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Xenomrph posted:How often does the fluff call back to/acknowledge our present-day "real world" or its history? Like I know the Golden Throne is in antarctica or something, and aren't the High Lords of Terra located in the UK where the Games Workshop HQ is located? I'm picturing stuff like the Voyager 2 probe sitting in Trazyn the Infinite's collection. The Imperial Palace is canonically in the Himalayas.
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It used to be in Europe, with the throne in the UK somewhere. ETA: well "in" Europe, in the same way the EU is now... It's a big palace.
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I think Arhiman in A Thousand Sons had a 15th century tarot card deck.
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Doesn't perturabo own the Mona Lisa?
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Big Willy Style posted:Doesn't perturabo own the Mona Lisa? Nah, pretty sure that is Malcador. He also has the rosetta stone.
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There's a callback too in one of the 30k books that mentions the Emperor's childhood, and his tribe's practice of using clay and sea shells to sculpt the features of deceased loved ones over their defleshed skulls. That's something that has been observed in Neolithic Anatolia. And Ahriman owns the Voynich Manuscript and allegedly translated it.
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Fearless posted:And Ahriman owns the Voynich Manuscript and allegedly translated it. I find this particularly funny, given recent events.
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wiegieman posted:I find this particularly funny, given recent events. What do you mean?
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Turns out it's just a bunch of well known Latin abbreviations, and it's two cobbled together gynaecological manuals from the 1500's with bits cribbed from various sources as far back as Galen.
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Arquinsiel posted:Turns out it's just a bunch of well known Latin abbreviations, and it's two cobbled together gynaecological manuals from the 1500's with bits cribbed from various sources as far back as Galen. Are you basing this off of what the University of Bristol researcher was claiming? Because I think that has been largely refuted.
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That Wikipedia article is an interesting read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript#Decipherment_claims I particularly like the most recent claimant who 'translated it'. quote:in two weeks using a combination of "lateral thinking and ingenuity." Experts were not impressed.
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Perturbo is obsessed with Da Vinci and is heavily implied to own The Last Supper. Some of the perpetuals have been around since at least M1; the Emperor since circa 4,000 BC. Medical texts by Galen and Hippocrates are apparently still read on Terra in 30k. There’s an object in Pariah that is clearly a USSR toy rocket. There’s honestly an improbably large number of references to relatively recent history given the setting is supposed to be at least 28,000 years in the future.
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To be fair the setting has stasis technology that reliably preserves things for thousands of years. If they got to this stuff early enough there's no reason it couldn't survive, any more than people in Dune knowing about Hitler despite him being dead for tens of thousands of years.
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There's a reference to someone being dressed up and feeling as fancy as an ancient "Merican Princess," which seems like a better representation of how our world would persist. Jusr weird impressions and feelings, rather than specific artifacts.
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I'd argue that in current times we've reached a level of information preservation that would allow for a theoretically more advanced culture to have a pretty good idea of what we were like. Obviously thirty eight thousand years of history will lead to conjecture, but even with a dark age of technology in the interim, whatever survived would be relatively easy to recover. We're not firewalling our information with potentially psychotic logic engines.
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Not yet at least.
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It's more the density of references to things that happened 1AD - 2000 AD relative to everything between M2 and M25. There are tons of references to either stuff that happened during the Age of Strife (mainly in Horus Heresy era stuff), and about as many references to real-world history, but basically nothing about the time between. I understand why they don't try to sketch out an entire 23,000 year span of history but it's still something to  about.
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I imagine it's partially only the poo poo we deem important now that we bother to preserve, and partially that stuff was on Earth, so it was fairly safe during the Dark Ages, while most of the stuff that would be important from the Dark Ages either being destroyed during the fighting with the machines or lost during the backslide of civilization from the giant warpstorms when SOMEBODY hate-hosed a Chaos God into existence.
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It’s because Star Trek is actually in the 40k setting and they don’t want to infringe on that IP yet. Some day we’ll get a bit about how Rational Scientist not-Emperor oversaw purging the filthy xenos of Bajor with virus bombs. 
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I imagine because Eath is Holy Terra it occupies a lot more cultural space than other 30k and 40k worlds. It's the birthplace of mankind and The Emperor, which affords it disproportionately more attention. It's like how half of a bookstore's history section is WW2, despite it only lasting ~6 years.
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moths posted:There's a reference to someone being dressed up and feeling as fancy as an ancient "Merican Princess," which seems like a better representation of how our world would persist. Jusr weird impressions and feelings, rather than specific artifacts. GW predicted Harry and Meghan.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Perturbo is obsessed with Da Vinci and is heavily implied to own The Last Supper. Some of the perpetuals have been around since at least M1; the Emperor since circa 4,000 BC. Medical texts by Galen and Hippocrates are apparently still read on Terra in 30k. There’s an object in Pariah that is clearly a USSR toy rocket. i feel like if any of da vinci work survived, it wouldnt be the last supper. the fresco has barely survived this long and is basically super faded and such.  in the 1970s.  recent. Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Just like High Gothic sounds Latin(...ish) to our M3 ears so too do their references to things sound like references to things we're aware of?
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It doesn't actually sound Latin, that's a convention that goes back to Rogue Trader days.
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Bear in mind that Ravenor started off as a reference to an Inquisitorial author who existed prior to the Sabbat Worlds Crusades as just an offhand mention of one of his books and him coming to a bad end.Fearless posted:Are you basing this off of what the University of Bristol researcher was claiming? Because I think that has been largely refuted. Arcsquad12 posted:dark age of technology in the interim,
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Didn’t that technological enlightenment also lead to a full on AI uprising which caused a self-imposed “dark ages” because everyone now feared technology?
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Xenomrph posted:Didn’t that technological enlightenment also lead to a full on AI uprising which caused a self-imposed “dark ages” because everyone now feared technology? Yes, it did.
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Galvanik posted:Why does the inquisition care at this point? Isn't the big secret that daemons actually exist out at this point what with the whole Gates of Hell opening up and rending the Galaxy in twain? Most Inquisitors are on the run from the Inquisition proper for Exterminatusing a planet that maybe had a Genestealer Cult on it. I mean, those juvs were painted purple, that's probably Genestealers.
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Xenomrph posted:Didn’t that technological enlightenment also lead to a full on AI uprising which caused a self-imposed “dark ages” because everyone now feared technology? Yeah that was the glorious “the Butlerian jihad but with a worse name” period of human history
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There's an Iron Man in the Blackstone Fortress game and they seem cool.
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