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Darkman Fanpage posted:i dont think even the syrian opposition was this pathetic https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1173032657925672960
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Sep 16, 2019 01:52
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wait they paid a real orchestra to do that i just assumed they did it themselves youd think a million strong protest would have enough people trained in classical instruments to build their own orchestra
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Sep 16, 2019 01:56
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Maximo Roboto posted:https://twitter.com/nickmullen/status/1172915389229125633 lmao Darkman Fanpage posted:i dont think even the syrian opposition was this pathetic I don't really know why they're doing this at this point unless they're just doing it to make the CCP mad, but it's embarrassing
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Sep 16, 2019 01:57
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Some Guy TT posted:does the ccp just block all trump related news from entering the country via firewalls because extreme ignorance is the only way i can think of to justify this Ccp broadcasts trump related news loud and clear to demonstrate failure of US so called democracy
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Sep 16, 2019 02:04
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Grapplejack posted:lmao Griefing CCP is a higher priority than democracy on Hong Kongers' todo list.
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Sep 16, 2019 02:11
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Sep 16, 2019 02:12
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Grapplejack posted:lmao they're desperate and stupid. they think some power, any power, is going to go to bat for them in a major way beyond just whining.
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Sep 16, 2019 04:25
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lol god that sucks
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Sep 16, 2019 04:26
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having an orchestra as part of a protest seems like something the larouche movement would do
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Sep 16, 2019 04:32
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that led me to wonder what the larouchite position on HK is, and it turns out they're pro-PRC because larouchies really hate the british and see them as the central players in a worldwide conspiracy, and they claim the protests are a plot by british intelligence. also fans of one belt, one road because of the larouchie thing for big continent-spanning infrastructure projects
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Sep 16, 2019 04:38
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:that led me to wonder what the larouchite position on HK is, and it turns out they're pro-PRC because larouchies really hate the british and see them as the central players in a worldwide conspiracy. also fans of one belt, one road because of the larouchie thing for big continent-spanning infrastructure projects hell yeah
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Sep 16, 2019 04:38
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can someone explain to me why belt and road is supposed to be bad again the main recurring argument i hear against it is that theyre putting africa in debt but i read somewhere that china apparently only holds about forty percent of africas overall debt which begs the question of who has the other sixty percent and what they did to deserve it
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Sep 16, 2019 04:46
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Some Guy TT posted:can someone explain to me why belt and road is supposed to be bad again
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Sep 16, 2019 05:02
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Some Guy TT posted:can someone explain to me why belt and road is supposed to be bad again The primary criticism is usually couched in “neocolonialism” as a euphemism to complain about China “expanding influence.” Its not clear to me how much ownership or participation African countries will have in these projects and there’s been concerns raised about rising cost projections but the criticisms by the US seem weak and mostly “it’s not fair you’re making friends with other countries instead of us!”
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Sep 16, 2019 05:12
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...-rail-link-back Here’s an article that mixes legitimate concerns (environmental concerns, gentrification/projects pushing people out of their homes, lack of local input or participation, especially from local labor) with the dumber poo poo about Chinese influence or whatever.
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Sep 16, 2019 05:22
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Some Guy TT posted:can someone explain to me why belt and road is supposed to be bad again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KFBHBMatXk
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Sep 16, 2019 05:42
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Some Guy TT posted:can someone explain to me why belt and road is supposed to be bad again for the Chinese it's basically their solution to becoming able to do imperialist foreign investment according to their real capacity when westerners have gobbled the good stuff up by forcing firesales through the IMF and the like since forever and countries have been generally hesitant to let them buy up prime investment assets. they're counting on being able to create prime infrastructure and surrounding land investments from nothing to get in on the division. pretty sure they're also still marxist enough to recognize that profits and wages are opposites, so their decision to go for that generous wage raise in the last 10 years to create a more of a domestic consumer economy must have come with a huge implicit decision to make more of their profits abroad through various forms of rent. of course that's not all and they probably aren't going to price gouge the same way as whenever someone buys up a country's electricity grid or something, since the point is also to preventatively circumvent US capacity to strangle their economy with a naval blockade by creating a viable land trade route to Europe and getting the countries along the way beholden to them in a way that makes it much harder to get any host country along the way to deny the use of that route to them.
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Sep 16, 2019 05:45
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Some Guy TT posted:can someone explain to me why belt and road is supposed to be bad again its actually only 20 percent lol Africa's growing debt crisis: who is the debt owed to?
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Sep 16, 2019 06:37
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Darkman Fanpage posted:they're desperate and stupid. they think some power, any power, is going to go to bat for them in a major way beyond just whining. lol idiot protesters, they should just stop agitating against the only remaining true communist state on Earth
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Sep 16, 2019 07:25
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some serious poe's law going down here
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Sep 16, 2019 07:29
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Some Guy TT posted:does the ccp just block all trump related news from entering the country via firewalls because extreme ignorance is the only way i can think of to justify this This is a painfully never-left-america-in-my-life viewpoint, thanks for sharing
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Sep 16, 2019 11:51
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boy howdy those hong kongers sure must not know about the border wall with Mexico! Drumpf and his silly ideas! Oh yeah anti chinese rhetoric, his general support for Taiwan, wonder if they know about his trade war against China?????? the only major policy that effects the region they're in???? their general public sure doesn't know exact details of foreign leader's internal policy nor form opinions based on their own research instead of media talking points not like here in America where we are Well Informed On Who Is The Badguy lmao forever Modest Mao has issued a correction as of 11:58 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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Sep 16, 2019 11:53
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Must Be That Firewall I'm Always Hearing About On My Free, Well Informed News Sources Here In The West
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Sep 16, 2019 11:57
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Some Guy TT posted:can someone explain to me why belt and road is supposed to be bad again Maybe the majority of debt in Africa could be held by other african nations via co-investment and development instead of excusing imperialism lite because imperialism + proceeded it next question please
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Sep 16, 2019 12:00
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is that what i sound like in the d and d korea thread geez no wonder everyone thinks im an rear end in a top hat
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Sep 16, 2019 12:10
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The thing about Belt and Road is that, Beijing need a way to spend the dollar they make from the US. Look at the trade relationship between US and China: China makes every consumer products for the US, and increasingly some highly end equipment; China makes practically everything themselves and buys basically only passenger planes and some oil and beans from US. China gets tons of US dollars from the trade deficit every year. China needs a way to spend the USD before the inevitable US/China geopolitic war of the 21st century (or warm war if you want to call it). China already buys tons of gold and foreign companies. Often they get cockblocked from buying major western energy companies for national security reasons. China can't bring the USD home, because it will cause inflation known as Dutch Disease. Of course the west want China dump the money to the western stocks and real estate markets to prop up the western financial markets. But that would be a dumb way to spend your investment money, because the west especially europe is on the long term decline. Investing on the 3rd world is a much better bet. China was already doing it before call it 1B1R and group them under the Xi Dada branded basket. You are essentially placing a 50 year bet that the poor countries/the developing world/global south will grow faster than the rich countries/developed world/global north. If you look at it this way it's a very easy bet to make. Even if 30% of the countries continue to fail and declare bankruptcy a few times over, the remaining will still makeup the good returns. That's the main reason China place the bet on the BRI, there was also other reasons China went on Africa so hard after 2008 but not that important from the big picture. When you lend so much money to another sovereign state, there is always going to be an unequal power dynamic between them. And you can call it imperialism if you want. China doesn't care about the imperialism power dynamic, China just to properly spend the war chest on solid things. Why do the western press poo poo on it? cause they know they are being bet on as the declining side in China's long term bet.So you can ignore the global western hivemind's opinion on BRI. I am more worry if Al Jazeera or CNA poo poo on BRI.
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Sep 16, 2019 12:50
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Modest Mao posted:Oh yeah anti chinese rhetoric, his general support for Taiwan, wonder if they know about his trade war against China?????? the only major policy that effects the region they're in???? wait this sounds counterintuitive if everybody knows about trumps trade war against china why does that mean trump good doesnt the trade war against china also hurt hong kong or are they just basing their politics around the spite of how trump must be good since he makes their enemies mad amusingly enough thats also why trumps supporters think hes good but on the flip side im not stupid enough to think that just because xi jinping opposes trump that means hes my friend and i should want him to intervene in americas political system to do god knows what
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Sep 16, 2019 13:00
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tino posted:The thing about Belt and Road is that, Beijing need a way to spend the dollar they make from the US. Look at the trade relationship between US and China: China makes every consumer products for the US, and increasingly some highly end equipment; China makes practically everything themselves and buys basically only passenger planes and some oil and beans from US. China gets tons of US dollars from the trade deficit every year. good post. you kind of underestimate the question of power regarding foreign investments though. the reason China can't find enough good investment opportunities in the global north is that insiders are given preferential treatment and they can't do anything about it, they can't get a controlling stake anywhere that is thought to matter and they can't wield any power over states they lend massively to either so they can't force their hand. the prime difference between north and south from this perspective isn't average growth, China isn't looking at things like some pension fund. they want access to the good stuff, the same stuff that IMF demands countries to privatize or remove protections from when they get in trouble. and while they're waiting for opportunities, they might as well try to produce some of that good stuff themselves, like wouldn't it be nice to own a fat stake in the most important trade routes in some countries? of course the western press can't talk about things as they are because it'd reveal their countries' game and how much better and more cynical their position is: how anytime China gets a bit ahead somewhere, it's probably because they offered a better deal.
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Sep 16, 2019 13:30
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Modest Mao posted:Maybe the majority of debt in Africa could be held by other african nations lol what level of Liberalism is this? It doesn't matter who holds the debt, what matters are the conditions. The West gives you money and then asks you to cut social programs.
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Sep 16, 2019 14:36
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I seem to recall one North African country which was lending money to other African nations. Hmm, I wonder what ever happened to them.
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Sep 16, 2019 14:56
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Frijolero posted:I seem to recall one North African country which was lending money to other African nations. Hmm, I wonder what ever happened to them. 
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Sep 16, 2019 14:57
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Frijolero posted:I seem to recall one North African country which was lending money to other African nations. Hmm, I wonder what ever happened to them. China: *unites African third world countries against imperialism by advancing their productive forces" USA: *destroys African through colonialism, slavery, rape and neoliberal austerity programs for centuries* liberals: Those are the same things because they both involve "investment"!
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Sep 16, 2019 16:40
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Foxconn boss Terry Guo is not running. Kind of shocked about this one. If he is not running why did he quit KMT? I thought his secret task was to pull the Tsai's vote below 50%.
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Sep 16, 2019 16:46
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GreyjoyBastard posted:lol idiot protesters, they should just stop agitating against the only remaining true communist state on Earth i never said that you stupid bitch. agitate all you want but stop expecting nations that have no material interest in helping you come to your aid. this poo poo is pure liberal stupidity. nobody in the world with actual power is even capable of aiding hong kong. china holds all the cards in this matter.
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Sep 16, 2019 17:07
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tino posted:Foxconn boss Terry Guo is not running. Kind of shocked about this one. If he is not running why did he quit KMT? he's gonna hook up with Ko's TPP https://newbloommag.net/2019/08/06/tpp-party-formation/
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Sep 16, 2019 19:27
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Maximo Roboto posted:he's gonna hook up with Ko's TPP But 2019 is really the year of businessman-clown-comedian head of states. He totally has the chance to win as independent as long as he dial up the populism to 11 and just poo poo out whatever people like to hear. Not to mention Tsai is not popular and TW economy is in bad shape. I really think he miss the best chance to win.
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Sep 16, 2019 22:05
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Gou would have to get in line. Taiwanese politics are a mess right now. DPP headed by anemic incumbent. KMT nominee is populist clown mayor. NPP is fracturing. this new TPP was founded by a different populist clown mayor, formerly NPP-affiliated but now moving towards a crypto-pro-China position, hence why Foxconn businessman clown might join it. also there's the Formosa Alliance, which are pro-independence hardliners whose latest stunt is to claim the president's PhD dissertation was falsified join the Taiwan Civil Government and claim the island is still under American military occupation, imo
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Sep 16, 2019 22:36
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I was looking forward to the historic meeting of president slave driver meets president real estate con man.
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Sep 16, 2019 23:20
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Darkman Fanpage posted:i never said that you stupid bitch. agitate all you want but stop expecting nations that have no material interest in helping you come to your aid. this poo poo is pure liberal stupidity. nobody in the world with actual power is even capable of aiding hong kong. china holds all the cards in this matter. has anyone figured out what the goal of the protests actually is like they're yelling that they don't want china running hong kong but china already doesnt do that so what do they want
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Sep 17, 2019 00:35
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They want trump annex hk.
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Sep 17, 2019 00:43
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