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I see Zaph is crushing it with his huge several paragraph takes and general inability to not have a confrontational conversation. Second Galaxy is a fun EVE knock-off, btw.
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Why aren't there more good mmos out there? Also if the game isn't literally Everquest or WoW it's not an mmo by my byzantine standards which I refuse to detail or expand on.
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:ah, the people who think mmorpg means something other than a wow/everquest type game with abilities have arrived I mean YouTube has been showing me Hearthstone videos under the channel heading of MMO so...
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DancingShade posted:Why aren't there more good mmos out there? Lots of reasons. The two big ones are cost and design. Cost is well obvious. The design issue relates more to the fact the biggest issue with MMOs is also it's biggest draw: other people. Creating a ruleset where thousands of strangers need to be able to interact with each other while still enjoying a core gameplay loop is actually really loving hard. Which is why most "good" MMOs just do the WoW/EQ loop, since that's one of the few rulesets that actually works. Most games that strays too far from those design principles tends to go down the shitter pretty quickly.
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SweetBro posted:Lots of reasons. The two big ones are cost and design. Cost is well obvious. The design issue relates more to the fact the biggest issue with MMOs is also it's biggest draw: other people. Creating a ruleset where thousands of strangers need to be able to interact with each other while still enjoying a core gameplay loop is actually really loving hard. Which is why most "good" MMOs just do the WoW/EQ loop, since that's one of the few rulesets that actually works. Most games that strays too far from those design principles tends to go down the shitter pretty quickly. I was making a joke aimed at a certain poster the previous page who I didn't want to name. Joke ruined.
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DancingShade posted:Why aren't there more good mmos out there? Also if the game isn't literally Everquest or WoW it's not an mmo by my byzantine standards which I refuse to detail or expand on. How about you explain why you think minecraft counts as an mmo instead of just making a dismissive statement like this? This adds absolutely nothing. Disparaging others doesn't prove you're right. The last part of this comment is hilariously ironic and hypocritical  Would you please detail or expand on why you think this??Not to mention, I DID expand: Zaphod42 posted:You have persistence in DayZ and Rust. You grow in wealth in DayZ and Rust. So how is it not at all? Wow look at how everybody refuses to explain anything! How bizzare!
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To save MMORPGs, we must remove tab combat, themepark storylines, levels, and PvE-only zones. Unfortunately, if we remove tab combat, themepark storylines, levels, and PvE-only zones, the game is no longer an MMORPG.
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Only a bodhisattva can know what a good MMORPG is, this is why we are left with the illusion of suffering from bad mmorpgs.
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I think we need to remove the other players to save the MMORPG genre, also the roleplaying.
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Sep 15, 2019 09:51
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Zaphod42 posted:Wow look at how everybody refuses to explain anything! How bizzare! Maybe no one wants to talk to your insufferable rear end.
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Sep 15, 2019 14:23
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Kaysette posted:Maybe no one wants to talk to your insufferable rear end.
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Probably true.
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Sep 15, 2019 15:40
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Zaphod42 posted:
none of these are needed to be an mmorpg
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Senior Dog posted:none of these are needed to be an mmorpg So please explain your definition of an mmorpg. Saying "nope" doesn't add much. Why do you think that? Ultimately, arguing over the meaning of a term is a semantic argument, but its worth getting on the same page. E: Also, to go back to what started this, do you feel that ARK is an MMO or not? How about Fortnite? Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Sep 15, 2019 |
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Kaysette posted:Maybe no one wants to talk to your insufferable rear end.
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I'm gonna assume the person quoting me does. If I'm violating the rules, report me. Otherwise you're just ruining the thread.
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Zaphod42 posted:So please explain your definition of an mmorpg. Saying "nope" doesn't add much. Why do you think that? massively multiplayer online roleplaying game
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Tbh all The Next Great Mmo needs is decent, difficult combat, an actual sense of danger, distinct class designs and roles, player interdependence, and a big mysterious world that you can actually get lost in. Why are all the devs and everyone except me so dumb Fake edit: Before anyone says it, it should also not be developed by an opiate addict
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retpocileh posted:Tbh all The Next Great Mmo needs is decent, difficult combat, an actual sense of danger, distinct class designs and roles, player interdependence, and a big mysterious world that you can actually get lost in. The Secret World was sooooo cloooooose.
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retpocileh posted:and a big mysterious world that you can actually get lost in this "mystery" part that I see people talk about vanilla WoW a lot is loving impossible these days, where shortly after launch you are able to find every single secret/guide on youtube about it
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frajaq posted:this "mystery" part that I see people talk about vanilla WoW a lot is loving impossible these days, where shortly after launch you are able to find every single secret/guide on youtube about it I see this sentiment expressed a lot, I don’t fully agree. Take P99 - EQ launched 20 years ago, there’s a wiki, and yet it is still super easy to get lost in game and go around exploring finding random weird poo poo. It’s still super immersive, and mysterious. Not having an in game map or mods that add one goes a long way.
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Toshimo posted:The Secret World was sooooo cloooooose. Playing Secret World to at least the conclusion of the main story should be mandatory for these discussions since so much boils down to why don't they do X instead of Y? Where X is "unpopular thing I think is cool" and Y is "popular thing I think is boring". Secret World probably already did X and it turns out that outside of a niche group it's simply not a popular design decision for good reason. Certainly not the key to long term financial viability. But you have to actually get what you want to discover why you don't really want it after all. Hence people should play Secret World.
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DancingShade posted:Playing Secret World to at least the conclusion of the main story should be mandatory for these discussions since so much boils down to why don't they do X instead of Y? Where X is "unpopular thing I think is cool" and Y is "popular thing I think is boring". The only thing that TSW had going for it was the story/setting. The mechanics at every single level were awful. But, god drat was it the raddest themepark you could slap an MMO in.
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I had such high hopes for Secret World cause, again, it was something different and let me shoot stuff with a shotgun. Too bad the combat was another reskin of tab combat but the mysteries and settings were really fun. I kind of wonder if Remnant From The Ashes could work as a MMO buuuutttttttttt that is just basically asking for Dark Souls the MMO.
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really what I want is just an open world pvp game that's somewhat persistent. like I played tons of HellMOO back in the day. fights generally came down to who had stomach to grind, but that was because every fight evolved into a big brawl betweens corps and who had more of a gear stash since it was full loot pvp. i want someone to make a graphical mmo that gives me the rush of breaking into someones apartment with my friends and fighting off ten players + the NPC cops while we steal everything of value
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Sep 16, 2019 01:27
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DancingShade posted:I was making a joke aimed at a certain poster the previous page who I didn't want to name. Joke ruined. I am incapable of understanding humor that doesn't involve potatoes, killing Nazis, seizing the means of production, or a Siberian winter. Such is slav life. My apologies.
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SweetBro posted:I am incapable of understanding humor that doesn't involve potatoes, killing Nazis, seizing the means of production, or a Siberian winter. Such is slav life. My apologies. All good. Nobody injured and if they were then neither of us know them. Time for a drink! Toshimo posted:The only thing that TSW had going for it was the story/setting. The mechanics at every single level were awful. But, god drat was it the raddest themepark you could slap an MMO in. Pretty much. I loved TSW despite the gameplay by virtue of the story/setting. Examining it entirely on the core gameplay loop alone it was a complete failure.
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DancingShade posted:Pretty much. I loved TSW despite the gameplay by virtue of the story/setting. Examining it entirely on the core gameplay loop alone it was a complete failure. I think about that game way too loving often. It's probably the worst game I've thoroughly loved.
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They gave guild wars 2 an action mode that I thoroughly love. I wonder how many games got garbage tab combat just because WoW.
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I feel like tab targeting is the biggest red herring in this thread.
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How is it a red herring? it thoroughly blows rear end.
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I get it. You don't like it. But it's very popular and a lot of people do. It's not the thing keeping a good MMO from getting made, though.
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it's bad.
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It's really bad Toshimo. If an integral part of the game sucks ... The game sucks.
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I mean, like what you like, but I've never seen an MMO that got passing marks in all the other areas, but fell down because of tab targeting.
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i literally only play ffxiv because it's the only mmo that constantly pushes out tons of fairly polished content and amazing music for my sub monies. if a non-tab-target mmo did that, i'd go play that in an instant. hell, lately path of exile has been kicking it out of the fuckin park, so i might just go to that full-time instead. it's an amazingly fun game to play.
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Toshimo posted:I feel like tab targeting is the biggest red herring in this thread. Tab also allows unparalleled accuracy in targeting. Especially when things are stacked.
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Did anyone play Everquest Online Adventures on PS2? Castle Lightwolf gang. I was in awe as a young teenager of the super loser friends from SOCOM1 that I played with who reached level 50 first. Seeing the WoW Classic first max level being watched by 350k reminded me about it.
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