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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Where does “it was about making money and therefore can’t be racism” come from? I remember some politician said it a month or two ago. Just another way of denying that racism ever did or could exist? The same guy is saying "We do the same paying employees less than they are worth....to make money." which is textbook Marxist theory.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Where does “it was about making money and therefore can’t be racism” come from? I remember some politician said it a month or two ago. Just another way of denying that racism ever did or could exist? And why do they think it's a defence? "We didn't enslave you because we're racist but because it made us money" doesn't make anything better. E: and also ignores all the literature of the time such as the Confederate Constitution...
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Sep 9, 2019 13:37
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"Slavery in America wasn’t initially about racism, but making money. Making more money. The racism came alongside to justify and protect a guilty conscience making money off other people." isn't untrue. It was all about exploiting a new continent, and the colonizers cooked up 'scientific' racism as an excuse for why Africans were naturally suited to slavery, and that was socially promoted as to keep the 'whites' onside during any slave uprisings, granting them little privileges like "you get to be in the fugitive slave patrol" and "you get to feel just like us planters". Keep that up for centuries and you get systemic racism. "We invented systemic racism to make money" isn't really an excuse for anything though.
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Sep 9, 2019 13:45
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Sep 9, 2019 14:19
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Guavanaut posted:"Slavery in America wasn’t initially about racism, but making money. Making more money. The racism came alongside to justify and protect a guilty conscience making money off other people." isn't untrue. It was all about exploiting a new continent, and the colonizers cooked up 'scientific' racism as an excuse for why Africans were naturally suited to slavery, and that was socially promoted as to keep the 'whites' onside during any slave uprisings, granting them little privileges like "you get to be in the fugitive slave patrol" and "you get to feel just like us planters". Keep that up for centuries and you get systemic racism. There was still definitely racism behind slavery when it first began, but it also wasn't the kind of racism we understand in the modern world. Until the 20th century, just about everyone on Earth was "racist" by a modern definition. Every single type of person was considered to have inherent traits based on their ethnicity. The English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish all had their own racism against each other, all of them were racist against a Bavarian, who would be racist against an Italian. It wasn't considered a negative thing, just the way the world worked. Of course you would be able to fit more exotic and ridiculous beliefs into people who were less like you, so Africans and Native Americans got the shortest end of the stick as "savages" because they lacked the elaborate societies and massive cities of places like India or China that Europeans would recognize. The kind of virulent racism we get in the modern day, where people are willing to lynch you if you even show up in town with skin too dark, originated in the mid-19th century. The wealthy slaveowners in the South needed to ensure that the poor white farmers that they exploited would be on their side, especially when the Civil War came. Along with promoting the "scientific" idea of Africans being naturally unintelligent and closer to apes than whites, they spread fear that a slave uprising would lead to the blacks raping and pillaging their way across the farms. They painted themselves as the only real saviors of the poor white farmers. When the South lost the war, they kept it up to try and keep the newly freed ex-slave population downtrodden. Along with systemic racism, this is also why poor whites traditionally follow wealthy white conservatives despite getting literally nothing out of it and usually ending up worse off. 150 years of "us vs. them" has been built up where conservatives redirect anger stemming from poverty toward immigrants and minorities rather than the people in power. Wealthy farm owners use illegal immigrants to pick lettuce because they can abuse them and pay them next to nothing, then tell all the unemployed white people that they need to be mad at Mexicans for stealing their jobs. Conservative politicians cut social services and benefits, then tell everyone left dying that it's because ghetto welfare queens are using food stamps to buy lobster and brand new Mercedes SUVs. And now you get Freep. A population that simultaneously votes against their interests while blaming everyone but themselves.
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Sep 9, 2019 14:53
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Guavanaut posted:I want this Freeper to be sent back in time to October 2016 to go around shouting like an angry male Cassandra on blood pressure meds and get zotted within seconds. Hahahaha, prior to Trump winning the nom, about half of freep still hated him. Prior to him announcing his Republican run they all hated him. Freep and 180s are the norm
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Sep 9, 2019 14:59
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The "X will run for president then step down so their VP becomes president" has gotta be one of the longest running conspiracy theories, I've heard it so drat much. Its the type of idea that sounds good for a tom clancy novel but has so many problems in real life they just ignore.
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Sep 9, 2019 17:53
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Not least because of the reliance on "they will run with an awful unpopular VP, step down, and the awful unpopular VP will serve the rest of their term and win two more elections."
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Sep 9, 2019 17:56
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Jurgan posted:America becomes a dictatorship through the anti-democratic method of... running for office. I mean you have Brexiters openly calling for Boris Johnson to declare emergency powers that let him do anything he wants to push Brexit through to "save our democracy." Conservatives are basically fascists in denial.
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Sep 9, 2019 18:01
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Guavanaut posted:Not least because of the reliance on "they will run with an awful unpopular VP, step down, and the awful unpopular VP will serve the rest of their term and win two more elections." And there doesn't exist anyone who is both ambitious enough to win the presidency, and yet loyal enough to give up all of that power once they have it.
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Sep 9, 2019 19:35
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Serious question, with no connection to FReep, but someone mentioned Boris, so I'm gonna ask here: What exactly do the brexiters think is going to happen the morning after they finally leave? Do they honestly think their world will be demonstrably better, with all evidence to the contrary? Like, I really don't understand how conservatives (us) and brexiters think.
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Sep 10, 2019 00:05
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Zipperelli. posted:Serious question, with no connection to FReep, but someone mentioned Boris, so I'm gonna ask here: All the migrant workers are gone, jobs are back in British hands, and every trade agreement will be renegotiated in Britain’s favor. In short, they’re idiots.
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Sep 10, 2019 00:35
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jojoinnit posted:And why do they think it's a defence? "We didn't enslave you because we're racist but because it made us money" doesn't make anything better. If you accept it as a given that making money is the highest good and that the only option anyone ever has is to maximize profit, I guess it does serve as a kind of alibi. “We (the inherently superior white race) weren’t evil because we didn’t act out of irrational hatred, but rather the rational self-interest that you can’t really blame anyone for serving.”
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Sep 10, 2019 00:40
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Zipperelli. posted:Serious question, with no connection to FReep, but someone mentioned Boris, so I'm gonna ask here: Football comes home.
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Sep 10, 2019 00:44
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Zipperelli. posted:Serious question, with no connection to FReep, but someone mentioned Boris, so I'm gonna ask here: Short answer: the empire Long answer: When Britain fi-i-irst, at heaven's command, Aro-o-o-ose from out the a-a-a-zure main...
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Sep 10, 2019 00:56
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Zipperelli. posted:Serious question, with no connection to FReep, but someone mentioned Boris, so I'm gonna ask here: Boris has been insisting that preventing him from leaving without a deal makes it impossible for him to negotiate, so...
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Sep 10, 2019 02:05
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Keeshhound posted:Boris has been insisting that preventing him from leaving without a deal makes it impossible for him to negotiate, so... Brexiters think Europe depends on Britain rather than the other way around. They think that this is going to end with the EU on their knees begging to trade with the UK instead of the EU telling the UK to piss off as Britain spirals into economic disaster and probably civil unrest (Ireland).
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Sep 10, 2019 02:25
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Cythereal posted:Brexiters think Europe depends on Britain rather than the other way around. They think that this is going to end with the EU on their knees begging to trade with the UK instead of the EU telling the UK to piss off as Britain spirals into economic disaster and probably civil unrest (Ireland). As far as I can tell, it's basically the principle of the thing for them at this point no matter how much people like me yell “but we didn’t vote to leave with NO DEAL”. They're just being stubborn assholes. As a Brit who lives on the continent the whole thing is deeply depressing and as someone who still earns pounds but spend Euros it's maddening. It'll absolutely be the end of the UK. Ireland will definitely unify because Boris has gently caress all ideas about that border situation and I wouldn't blame Scotland for going independent in a few years. Poor old Wales has no chance cause they have no dreams though. 
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Sep 10, 2019 08:08
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Zipperelli. posted:Serious question, with no connection to FReep, but someone mentioned Boris, so I'm gonna ask here:  Add on top of that 30 years of the UK government persuing a path of free-market obsessed privatization and liberalization and the press being more than happy to uncritically blame all the externalities of that (schools and hospitals crumbling, wages falling, libraries closing) on the EU and immigration (immigrants stole all the books!) and the Remain side being mostly David Cameron Conservatives doing the Hillary "things are already great!" Clinton schtick as their main argument for staying in. Then add on top of that the EU being pretty poo poo themselves (anti state aid, pro 'European Values'  ) and it was a perfect storm for deindustrialized and rural seats coming out harder than expected for Leave while BAME and left voters stayed at home more than expected, even though this stands to screw over deindustrialized and rural areas heavily.The left Leave movement mostly died with Tony Benn outside of the Northern Labour heartlands, so this can be best summed up as a long running internal feud in the Conservatives finally blowing up, but 30% of the country will still vote for their burning husk of a party because the media is entirely owned by people who would be 5% worse off under the opposition, and there's a fringe who've been convinced that leaving the EU means the Muslims go back to Islamabad and will go fully fascist if the government just says it isn't leaving.
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Sep 10, 2019 09:24
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Guavanaut posted:Not least because of the reliance on "they will run with an awful unpopular VP, step down, and the awful unpopular VP will serve the rest of their term and win two more elections." They're not entirely wrong when it comes to the suck party of old white guys. They ran the most unpopular gently caress stick, cheese brained goof they could get and the opposing party leadership is too chickenshit to do anything but chirp about decorum
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Sep 10, 2019 14:51
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Zipperelli. posted:Serious question, with no connection to FReep, but someone mentioned Boris, so I'm gonna ask here: All you need to do is read about all the idiot Trump voters that are shocked and appalled that Trump is having one of their loved ones deported or the morons in Texas right now crying about the wall cutting through property/communities and yet the same line comes right after they cry, "I'll vote for Trump in 2020". Even that dummy that was a legal US resident and was detained and abused and is still fighting to clear her record. These people are loving dumb racist assholes that so badly want to gently caress over those they dislike they're willing to have the same happen to themselves as long as the others suffer too. In short, they don't think. At best a few might have goldfish brains
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Sep 10, 2019 14:56
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I'm a jew named Thomas and it makes me feel left out of the Cool Jews Club.
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It's been a while, but here's Trump says he fired national security advisor John Bolton-JB says he "offered to resign" posted by freeper janetjanet998, with keywords 4dchess; artofthedeal; bestpeople; bolton; boltonfired; johnbolton; trumpnatlsecurity; trumptweet; trusttheplan; yourefired Same. quote:To: janetjanet998  quote:To: janetjanet998 quote:To: Mr. Jeeves quote:To: thoughtomator The party line so far seems to be "good riddance," but there are still some fans. quote:To: janetjanet998 quote:To: janetjanet998 Lots of posts like this one. quote:To: a little elbow grease quote:
quote:To: Jeff Chandler There's a multi-page derail in the thread having to do with our withdrawal from Afghanistan and how much of a threat Iran really is. It's really rather boring and eventually comes down to two twits arguing back and forth about which one is disrespecting the troops more.
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Which one was disrespecting the troops more?
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Todd Palin files for divorce from former Alaska governor Sarah Palin In between the rampant volunteering to bang newly single Sarah Palin, Freep has some interesting takes. Turns out not even being beloved by Freep makes you immune to misogyny quote:To: bigdaddy45 quote:To: bigdaddy45 quote:To: teeman8r quote:To: Hatteras quote:To: Hatteras quote:To: Simon Foxx quote:To: one4perl From a few other threads quote:To: DannyTN quote:To: HollyB quote:To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; Lazamataz
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Sep 11, 2019 01:58
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Finnankainen posted:Todd Palin files for divorce from former Alaska governor Sarah Palin came back to see freep react to this am not disappointed.
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Sep 11, 2019 02:27
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Sir Tonk posted:came back to see freep react to this Yeah. The fact that they seem to mostly be siding with the husband and trashing her seems... not surprising.
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Sep 11, 2019 02:38
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quote:To: Hatteras What the actual gently caress 
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Sep 11, 2019 03:08
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hobbesmaster posted:Short answer: the empire Wouldn't it be better to just spend more money on the navy then, instead of blowing up your economy and forcing you to spend less money on the navy?
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Sep 11, 2019 03:24
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Icon Of Sin posted:What the actual gently caress Even the people they like, they hate. Except Trump. Although, tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if, in a decade, Trump is out of office/dead and no longer brought up as much (thus no longer making libs angry, which is the primary goal) if some freeper just randomly threw out "wow that guy was dumb as hell" and everyone else just like "yeah".
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Charlz Guybon posted:Wouldn't it be better to just spend more money on the navy then, instead of blowing up your economy and forcing you to spend less money on the navy? They don't want to spend more money on the navy. They want to get rid of brown people.
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Sep 11, 2019 03:33
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Zwabu posted:Yeah. The fact that they seem to mostly be siding with the husband and trashing her seems... not surprising. its so much better considering how many years they spent fawning over her every word.
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Sep 11, 2019 04:17
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Charlz Guybon posted:Wouldn't it be better to just spend more money on the navy then, instead of blowing up your economy and forcing you to spend less money on the navy? There'll be more money for a glorious Navy and a new empire once that £350 billion the UK sends to Europe every week comes back
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Sep 11, 2019 04:26
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Mantis42 posted:Even the people they like, they hate. Except Trump. Freeper-flavor conservatism has always had a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately? quality to it. Turning on Palin is that, enhanced manyfold by Freeper horny and misogyny. I think there's a lot of disappointment/anger towards Palin - they put a lot of love and energy into Palin, hoping she'd be the big leader they've been missing since Reagan's brain fully clogged up, but Palin spent her post-08 time just cashing in, usually in the laziest low-energy way possible.
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Sep 11, 2019 04:38
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Sir Tonk posted:its so much better considering how many years they spent fawning over her every word. The part that's missing is the ones who still beat off to her old pics getting mad at the ones trashing her. Is there any of that? I haven't had any desire to visit FR since we entered the current hell world.
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Sep 11, 2019 04:56
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I'm really pleased I learned about this from FReep and you can almost never say that.
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Sep 11, 2019 07:39
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Zwabu posted:The part that's missing is the ones who still beat off to her old pics getting mad at the ones trashing her. Is there any of that? I haven't had any desire to visit FR since we entered the current hell world. The replies in the first couple of threads I quoted were bad enough to spawn a vanity thread defending Sarah’s honor but it quickly devolved into a very boring 300+ comment slap fight.
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VitalSigns posted:There'll be more money for a glorious Navy and a new empire once that £350 billion the UK sends to Europe every week comes back What?! I thought they were gonna find the NHS with that money... e: also welcome back to sharing,McGlockenshire. You were missed.
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