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thespaceinvader posted:*also balancing the books was only necessary because kept giving tax cuts to rich cunts. And because we pretend to think that a country is like a household with a credit card, and that money is a real thing.   Bobstar fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Sep 16, 2019 |
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World is a gently caress memes are up there with virgin/chad memes for my all time favourites. Oh also I saw some graffiti a while ago that looked like the anarchy A but crossed with a lambda, so I'm not sure if gordon freeman has joined an anarchist organization or something.
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https://twitter.com/mnrrntt/status/1173607010337742849
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Bobstar posted:And because we pretend to think that a country is like a household with a credit card, and that money is a real thing.
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Comrade Fakename posted:I don't really think that "loophole" is much of a danger. It basically comes down to Boris coming up with a deal, even if it's just May's again, and then promising the ERG he won't actually implement it to get them to pass it. However - 1) even with ERG votes the Tories now have no majority, and 2) Boris doesn't actually want no deal, he wants a deal. The actual danger of Boris lying here is that he'd do it to the ERG. Tell them in secret he won't implement the deal but then do it anyway. At the very least it would be a danger to them, and if nothing else they'd have a hell of a time explaining to their mental base why they're voting for the deal. The Kinnock amendment means the May deal has to come up for a vote again. Now I'm certain there's still the numbers to defeat it, but that short-circuits a *lot* of your scenario there.
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Sep 16, 2019 16:58
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It's fun when Simon breaks stealth.
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hosed up to just post David Cameron’s whole book like that
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Collateral posted:lots of elderly voted for our party so I would give old timers a lift it they wanted it) So what's it like working for Big Nige
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Sep 16, 2019 17:09
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The Kinnock amendment means the May deal has to come up for a vote again. Now I'm certain there's still the numbers to defeat it, but that short-circuits a *lot* of your scenario there. I don't see why? The point of this "loophole" is that some type of deal is passed. Doesn't really matter if it's May's one or a new one.
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Sep 16, 2019 17:14
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Bobstar posted:And because we pretend to think that a country is like a household with a credit card, and that money is a real thing. If Corbyn gets in, will El Gato move to Number 10 too, or stay at Corbyn's normal house?
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Sep 16, 2019 17:19
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Angrymog posted:If Corbyn gets in, will El Gato move to Number 10 too, or stay at Corbyn's normal house? You mean CORBYN'S MILLION-POUND NORTH LONDON MANSION?
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Sep 16, 2019 17:22
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The BBC had the empty podium article up as the headline for less than an hour before it was replaced by a new one: "The EU has had "a bellyful" of the Brexit process and wants to get a deal, Boris Johnson has told the BBC. He told Laura Kuenssberg it was "fed up with endless delays" and wanted to move onto the next phase of trade talks." Good job squashing those negative headlines Laura!
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Sep 16, 2019 17:30
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Angrymog posted:If Corbyn gets in, will El Gato move to Number 10 too, or stay at Corbyn's normal house? Decent British cat Larry OUSTED in Stalinist purge by sinister foreign feline known only as "El Gato" Also post/username combo
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Sep 16, 2019 17:38
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sebzilla posted:Decent British cat Larry OUSTED in Stalinist purge by sinister foreign feline known only as "El Gato" Or: Innocent cat LEFT TO DIE as Corbyn selfishly moves to no.10 in greedy power grab
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Sep 16, 2019 17:43
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CGI Stardust posted:Any chance of a link to the article? Not that I disagree - I figure our goal now should be ameliorate where possible, try and make the inevitable degrowth less painful while recognizing it's going to absolutely suck poo poo and kill probably billions (those not most responsible for the problem, coincidentally), and build up a knowledge base for whatever comes after us. Maybe they can build a stable societal system allowing for human flourishing integrated with the world as a whole, rather than at the expense of; eliminate those relations of domination. Also some prefigurative politics wouldn't go amiss - setting up small-scale systems on a local basis so they can get used as a seed and example. Maybe there'll be a fusion miracle, but probably best assume not and act appropriately (especially since no-one's loving funding it properly) I got u fam https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/what-if-we-stopped-pretending
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I saw this today which was a response to that article: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/hot-planet/shut-up-franzen/?fbclid=IwAR2lAr1KEgvmIqH7zQpzo-gbHlvmgDmmG7SFRTNo0igN0tmWTGZoydbbY_U No idea of the accuracy but I appreciate the title if nothing else.
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Now that's a slogan I can get behind!
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Or: LOL drat I really can see the headline "Corbyn in dangerous power grab, purges number 10 after NARROW majority"
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Or: Pero El Gato no fue un àngel...!
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Junior G-man posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD7oWrpKwYA Catching up on this thread, but willing to lose my last read place to quote this endlessly. I don't know who to hate more Piers obv
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Sep 16, 2019 18:03
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:I think a lot of our generation aren't really primed for the idea that you would go somewhere on the off-chance that you might strike up a conversation with a random stranger just for funsies, but that's what social meets and board game nights are for. It wasn't really the counsellor's fault, it would have been good advice for someone who's allistic.
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Sep 16, 2019 18:22
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The FT is taking a new editorial position based around reforming capitalism: https://aboutus.ft.com/en-gb/new-agenda/?segmentId=a1d33df9-8595-fa79-f5e7-6b8b918be777 I suspect this will end up being the result of keeping up the pressure for socialism: since the USSR collapsed and until the emergence of credible socialist movements in the US and UK, there wasn’t really any threat to keep capital from going off the rails. Now there is, we can see one part of the wealthy reluctantly accepting that they need to share if they want to avoid guillotines and heads on spikes (the other, Brexity part wants to go full steam ahead and rule through explicit, not implicit, violence). All the more reason to keep up the pressure for full communism now, but it is nice to see the Overton window shifting in the correct direction for once.
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Sep 16, 2019 18:26
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Comrade Fakename posted:I don't see why? The point of this "loophole" is that some type of deal is passed. Doesn't really matter if it's May's one or a new one. Because your scenario includes Boris coming back with a new deal, which - even if he wanted to - seems a bit of an ask. I suppose he could search-and-replace "backstop" with "BORIS' VERY CLEVER IDEA" and claim he'd achieved a breakthrough, but the point of the May deal is that the ERG and current Cabinet flipping and everyone else staying the same would be enough to get it through.
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, but since it wasn't necessary to balance any books, feel free to
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Because your scenario includes Boris coming back with a new deal, which - even if he wanted to - seems a bit of an ask. I suppose he could search-and-replace "backstop" with "BORIS' VERY CLEVER IDEA" and claim he'd achieved a breakthrough, but the point of the May deal is that the ERG and current Cabinet flipping and everyone else staying the same would be enough to get it through. didn't may try like five variants of exactly that
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:didn't may try like five variants of exactly that Right, but the point now is to get this - or any - withdrawal deal past the Commons then just not implement it to force NDB, that's the loophole people are talking about. I personally doubt this is what they have in mind - at least without a few extra steps of press-massaging - but it's not an impossibility.
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If they agree to the treaty with the EU though then that surely puts them in basically the same postion they're in now? Like in theory the UK could just stop upholding its half of the arrangements unilaterally any time it wants.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Right, but the point now is to get this - or any - withdrawal deal past the Commons then just not implement it to force NDB, that's the loophole people are talking about. oh right. yeah, if someone wanted brexit to go on forever, that might do the trick
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yo ober was this you https://twitter.com/GreeningPoet/status/1173650997455052802?s=20
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OwlFancier posted:If they agree to the treaty with the EU though then that surely puts them in basically the same postion they're in now? NDB via timeout is simply us leaving under the terms of the existing treaty. Agreeing to a new treaty to replace the existing one then failing to sign it (*signing* of international treaties is one of the few powers unambiguously vested in the Executive) leads to us dropping out because of that. Signing a new treaty then breaking it completely fucks us over (even more so than NDB) under international law.
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jfc https://twitter.com/DavidLammy/status/1173646862894735360?s=20
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goddamnedtwisto posted:NDB via timeout is simply us leaving under the terms of the existing treaty. Agreeing to a new treaty to replace the existing one then failing to sign it (*signing* of international treaties is one of the few powers unambiguously vested in the Executive) leads to us dropping out because of that. Signing a new treaty then breaking it completely fucks us over (even more so than NDB) under international law. The latter I understand which is obviously why we aren't doing it, but I'm not sure "parliament agrees to an agreement proposed by the government and then the government decides not to do it" is going to quite work, in practice.
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Don't read the comments, Lammy and Abbot have a huge following of bigoted tory fucks (wonder why).
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OwlFancier posted:The latter I understand which is obviously why we aren't doing it, but I'm not sure "parliament agrees to an agreement proposed by the government and then the government decides not to do it" is going to quite work, in practice. Well this is why the May deal is so useful as a trojan horse - Boris can claim that it's unacceptable and refuse to sign it. A theoretical "new" deal doesn't have that cover, but all he actually has to do is cause enough confusion in the intervening period (presumably the two weeks between the EC meeting and the end of October) and he'd probably get away with it. Remember this is about making as much money as possible for him and his mates, so sticking rigidly to the letter of (national and international) law is all that's required.
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Angrymog posted:If Corbyn gets in, will El Gato move to Number 10 too, or stay at Corbyn's normal house? Vaguely recall hearing at some point that if Labour got into power, Corbyn and McDonnell were just going to use Number 10 as an office. Don't know how true that is though.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Well this is why the May deal is so useful as a trojan horse - Boris can claim that it's unacceptable and refuse to sign it. A theoretical "new" deal doesn't have that cover, but all he actually has to do is cause enough confusion in the intervening period (presumably the two weeks between the EC meeting and the end of October) and he'd probably get away with it. It's more that I'm not sure parliament would be able to be suitably confused by it at this point, the majority do not trust him at all and like him even less.
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er, except it did happen? The PM of Luxembourg or whoever it was spoke for quite a while
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Julio Cruz posted:er, except it did happen? The PM of Luxembourg or whoever it was spoke for quite a while I think the protesters quieted down a bit after Boris left.
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Julio Cruz posted:er, except it did happen? The PM of Luxembourg or whoever it was spoke for quite a while I don't think the protesters were angry at him
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Darth Walrus posted:I think the protesters quieted down a bit after Boris left. marktheando posted:I don't think the protesters were angry at him sure but saying "the press conference didn't happen" is clearly a demonstrable lie like if you had no idea what had happened today reading that tweet suggests that a press conference was called off because of a protest rather than the actual truth of "the press conference went ahead but Boris bottled it and ran off"
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