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Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Or just straight up fake accounts.

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vincentpricesboner
Sep 3, 2006

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

PT6A posted:

I hate all the party leaders. If enough people spoil their ballots can we take all of them and bar them from holding any political office ever again?

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/c0/c0f020ebfa899269cd05c65cdbd11ee7d57b32e6c3fdc935a12675d0835a4fbf.jpg


Of course the dummy green party wants the party policies of literal communist china. hahaha.

Green Party is like the old attack ads on Trudeau : "Not Ready". Only its really, really accurate about this party.

vincentpricesboner fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Sep 16, 2019

half cocaine
Jul 22, 2019


Why is it a bad thing to lose all anonymity on the internet?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

half cocaine posted:

Why is it a bad thing to lose all anonymity on the internet?

I don't know, forum user half cocaine, you tell us

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

half cocaine posted:

Why is it a bad thing to lose all anonymity on the internet?

If you outlaw anonymity then only outlaws will have anonymity.

half cocaine
Jul 22, 2019


vyelkin posted:

If you outlaw anonymity then only outlaws will have anonymity.

And then what? Anonymous trolling would be vastly diminished?

BGrifter
Mar 16, 2007

Winner of Something Awful PS5 thread's Posting Excellence Award June 2022

Congratulations!

half cocaine posted:

And then what? Anonymous trolling would be vastly diminished?

Stocks in VPNs will rise? Trolls will take ten minutes to sign up for one and resume anonymous trolling till their heart's content.

Furnaceface
Oct 21, 2004




half cocaine posted:

And then what? Anonymous trolling would be vastly diminished?

Its taking every ounce of energy in my body to not touch the poop.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

half cocaine posted:

And then what? Anonymous trolling would be vastly diminished?

Admittedly, it would make enforcing permabans a lot easier.

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity
https://twitter.com/rjjago/status/1173753191151878144?s=19

Under that progressive facade lies, uh.. well... Plagiarism.

Guigui
Jan 19, 2010
Winner of January '10 Lux Aeterna "Best 2010 Poster" Award
If this green bill ever came to fruition... would Leannard J Crabs come to our defence? Or would he just get into a shouting match with Cliff Yablonski?

Entropic
Feb 21, 2007

patriarchy sucks
https://twitter.com/moebius_strip/status/1173776816940601344?s=21

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
Vote compass seems to think the greens are more progressive than the NDP. Same thing happened to me. Not sure if that's true really.

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

RBC posted:

Vote compass seems to think the greens are more progressive than the NDP. Same thing happened to me. Not sure if that's true really.

Even if that was true (it’s not but the party fills out the questionnaire themselves so it’s due to the questions chosen), it’s weird that so many people including myself are getting Green Party as the party they most agree with even though they’re further away on the chart than NDP

Edit: actually I think they only asked the parties when they couldnt find a public position. The greens have a lot of answers supplied directly to vote compass

Starks fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Sep 17, 2019

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
I will repeat once again that imo there are serious problems with Vote Compass's methodology and I base this on both their past coverage of electoral campaigns and personally knowing some of the people who founded and worked at the company that makes it. We've gone over this before in the CanPol thread so I don't really want to do a big effortpost on it right now, but I can elaborate if anyone wants.

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

RBC posted:

Vote compass seems to think the greens are more progressive than the NDP. Same thing happened to me. Not sure if that's true really.

Vote Compass is brought to you by Vox Pop Labs, the ding dongs who made MyDemocracy.ca

It is a poor attempt to replicate the original political compass



It appears I'm an anarcho-eco-socialist:



I must surrender to Jason Kenney's Ministry of unAlbertan Activities

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



EvidenceBasedQuack posted:

It is a poor attempt to replicate the original political compass

Wow, look at this extremely compelling explanation of their methodology:

quote:

Our chart has been compiled with reference to speeches, manifestos and, where applicable, voting records. Should significant policy changes be announced during the campaign, the chart will be updated accordingly.

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

vyelkin posted:

I will repeat once again that imo there are serious problems with Vote Compass's methodology and I base this on both their past coverage of electoral campaigns and personally knowing some of the people who founded and worked at the company that makes it. We've gone over this before in the CanPol thread so I don't really want to do a big effortpost on it right now, but I can elaborate if anyone wants.

Yeah, on top of a binary left/right framework being inadequate to a lot of this (is "How much financial assistance should the federal government provide to first-time home buyers?" a left or right-wing position? How about "the government should offer a guaranteed minimum income?"), these people are just bad at phrasing questions.

I think the child care q is the worst example: "The government should fund child care centres instead of giving money directly to parents."

If you think the Canada Child Benefit shouldn't be cut but the government should also massively invest in child care, it's unclear what you should answer here. The NDP ended up giving VC a statement that said "uh we don't want to cut the CCB", which VC translated as "somewhat disagree", a right-wing position, and the Greens have a commitment to universal childcare in their platform (without mentioning the CCB), and they get coded as left-wing, but it's... real dumb.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

vyelkin posted:

We've gone over this before in the CanPol thread so I don't really want to do a big effortpost on it right now, but I can elaborate if anyone wants.

I think it might be worth it when you have some time. It's an election after all, and between this and the strategic voting sites that inevitably get linked here every single time, it's probably worth explaining this bullshit at least once so we can quote it whenever some good natured soul bumbles in and asks.

This is just behind those "based on recent polls and our proprietary methodology, you should vote Liberal" strategic voting sites in terms of absolute hokum.

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Sep 17, 2019

sitchensis
Mar 4, 2009

I am tempted to just go down to my local public space and start ranting and raving at people and scream at them to vote for me. I am just so sick of how sclerotic our political system has become in the face of multiple overwhelming and interconnected crises.

Maybe next election.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

sitchensis posted:

I am tempted to just go down to my local public space and start ranting and raving at people and scream at them to vote for me. I am just so sick of how sclerotic our political system has become in the face of multiple overwhelming and interconnected crises.

Maybe next election.

Bet you could get an mpp with that, next time. Our local dude seems very milquetoast.

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity

eXXon posted:

Wow, look at this extremely compelling explanation of their methodology:

Perhaps, but they at least provide a better visual representation of political leanings for myself and parties/various historical figures than the competition

:shrug:

SpacePope
Nov 9, 2009

Green Party platform 2019 posted:

Invoke the precautionary principle in making decisions about approvals of products, substances, projects and processes where there is the potential for irreversible harm. If there is no scientific proof of safety, then approval will be withheld.
That's real loving dumb.

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
I'm the scientific proof of safety

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

Kiss your wifi goodbye

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Ur girl Lizzy May posted:

Require all products to be fully recyclable using readily available processes


All products. All. I wonder what Bombardier’s recyclable jet would look like.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Green Party platform 2019 posted:

Invoke the precautionary principle in making decisions about approvals of products, substances, projects and processes where there is the potential for irreversible harm. If there is no scientific proof of safety, then approval will be withheld.

SpacePope posted:

That's real loving dumb.

On the other hand, death to homeopathy and perfume/cologne... I guess this one's actually about GMO foods though?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Abolishing the government bodies that purport to legitimize naturopathy/homeopathy would indeed be fantastic, but how do you do it without also taking away the "we've examined this particular sugar-water and can confirm drinking gallons of it didn't kill any rats"-certificate?

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.

lol at the PPC not being off the libertarian charts.

Their platform literally is "less government in everything, except more government restrictions on brown people".

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

flakeloaf posted:

Abolishing the government bodies that purport to legitimize naturopathy/homeopathy would indeed be fantastic, but how do you do it without also taking away the "we've examined this particular sugar-water and can confirm drinking gallons of it didn't kill any rats"-certificate?

What certificate is this, unless you just mean the stupid Health Canada process that paints with a veneer of credibility. The way it's treated in Ontario especially makes me angry.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

I mean the stupid Health Canada process that paints it with a veneer of credibility it definitely does not deserve.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

flakeloaf posted:

I mean the stupid Health Canada process that paints it with a veneer of credibility it definitely does not deserve.

Ah.

This is what gets me going:

http://www.collegeofhomeopaths.on.ca

Why do we allow these fraudsters to continue their very honestly completely unethical and literal crimes. Even if you're pro hippy woo medicine, none of their products do anything (except for the ones that occasionally contain random toxic chemicals) and should be prosecuted under every fraud and trade statute.

SpacePope
Nov 9, 2009

James Baud posted:

On the other hand, death to homeopathy and perfume/cologne... I guess this one's actually about GMO foods though?

Considering it's the Green Party of Canada, it's probably more about blocking 5G, GMOs, smart meters and similar stuff than a "death to homeopathy" thing.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

SpacePope posted:

Considering it's the Green Party of Canada, it's probably more about blocking 5G, GMOs, smart meters and similar stuff than a "death to homeopathy" thing.

Absolutely. On one hand I can respect May for her continued long service as a lone MP (until Guelph), but at the same time the Green Party here will never, ever achieve success, imo, until they can find someone who understands that they need to give up some of the fringe.

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Hey hey, Trudeau proposed another tax cut nominally for the middle class but that is effectively a handout for high income folks: truly tax free parental leave money, not like that CPC "15% tax credit" that was panned by a few people.

Have a summer baby and take a year of parental leave while in a 50% tax bracket? You're going to save 2x 6k in tax.

Some random low income person? yeah, maybe they'll save a couple dozen bucks more than the 15% credit from the Conservatives.

Edit: Does high income save twice what I just said? In a hurry, I forget how much EI pays at maxed out rate. 4k/mo or 2k?

James Baud fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Sep 17, 2019

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes
Liberals are the best conservatives (for rich people).

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

James Baud posted:

Edit: Does high income save twice what I just said? In a hurry, I forget how much EI pays at maxed out rate. 4k/mo or 2k?

Service Canada posted:

You could receive up to 55% of your earnings, to a maximum of $562 a week.

TheKingofSprings
Oct 9, 2012

half cocaine posted:

Why is it a bad thing to lose all anonymity on the internet?

Ask forums poster bunnyofdoom, forums user half cocaine, or doxx yourself and you can report back to us later your personal experience

RBC
Nov 23, 2007

IM STILL SPENDING MONEY FROM 1888
not taxing parental leave is not a handout to the rich. Maximum benefits occur at 51k. jesus christ you are loving out of touch

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Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

https://twitter.com/rickmercer/status/1174021712767324162?s=19

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